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Should Trump be charged with crimes?

My question is not about whether or not he is guilty of crimes, but whether it would be good for the country as a whole to charge him even if there is ample evidence. I certainly see where there is enough evidence of crimes, but considering 40% of the country is still swallowing his #$%#, I think having him "tried" in the court of public opinion may be the better outcome in the long run. I fear that charging him will only strengthen his support.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
He needs to be charged.

Nixon did what was good for the country; he resigned.

Trump tried to remain in power after being voted out.

If President Biden pardons him, I'm okay with that. But Trump shouldn't be allowed to run for public office again. If the Senate had convicted him and added that to the impeachment conviction, we wouldn't be where we are today.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@pdockal

They only dropped in 2020 because of Covid - no one was driving.

"Supply and Demand." Ever hear of that concept.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M

(By the way, those numbers are unadjusted for inflation.)
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@beckyromero Given Trump's massive denial, incompetence and malfeasance on covid that caused hundreds of thousands of additional deaths, you could Trump partial credit for worsening the situation and depressing demand, resulting in lower prices at the pump.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@beckyromero
Not true
There were policies in place that the current administrating terminated with executive orders
Most people i know were back committing before the transition of power
Between killing the pipeline (terminating thousands of jobs) and stopping the drilling the current administration started this shit show .... supply and demand did add a little bit of the policies stayed in place ...........
Make a martyr out of him, you mean ? That shouldn’t matter. If he did things that would send anyone else to prison, why should he get a pass, just because his supporters are crazy ? If they pull another Jan 6, lock them up too.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
There would need to be actual evidence to warrant one. J6 is hearsay and unsubstantiated rumors.

I do look forward to the investigations when trump is back in 2024.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@MasterLee When you can't think rationally show dumb pictures and memes😂
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Zonuss did you say something?
Budwick · 70-79, M
No.
No evidence.
Not good for country.
Especially not good for dems.

Do something meaningful instead.
Open pipelines for example.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@trollslayer That's because you are a biased troll.
Orkboy · 100+
@Budwick yeh him da bestest prez eva him gud at stirrin up a WAAAAGGGGHHHH! himz followas da dumest eva him got hiz own army uze itz
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
@trollslayer
And I am not sure why you think "opening pipelines" will do any good.
Common sense man...... it will significantly lower gas prices and make us energy independent again. Biden's war on fossil fuels needs to end. Within the first four months of his presidency, due to him canceling lease and the Keystone Pipeline, gas prices started to rise drastically for the first time in 4 year, coincidence? I think not!
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
I bet you've been shitting your pants for over 6 years you keep forgetting how many times Trump been clean. I bet you havent wiped your own ass for a long time until Trump finally gets Justice right?
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@FreestyleArt Fecal obsession?
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@trollslayer He has feces in place of a functioning brain.
@trollslayer I was going to ask you that TS…
th3r0n · 41-45, M
Anyone who thinks Trump is the one who should go to prison needs to read this thoroughly

https://similarworlds.com/politics/4402169-And-you-wonder-why-gas-is-5-00-a-gallon

We have been sabotaged intentionally, knowingly, because gas holds the key to the American economy
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 Has what to do with anything? "There is no parking in the Red Zone" There. See?😷
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Yup, The Constitutiuon, who cares about that rag, right, if it gets in the way of you left-wing nut-job marxists
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@sunsporter1649 And I bet you want to be right wing when you grow up..😷
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
My problem with not charging him is that we're saying some people are above the law in this country. However, I can see where his blind worshipers would confuse prosecution with persecution. Hell, they probably can't spell either word.
DavidT8899 · 22-25, M
@LordShadowfire When you examine the many abuses of power that have occured during the many investigations,its clear to anyone with common sense that the prosecution is persecution.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@DavidT8899 The only abuses of power have been by Trump himself. If he wasn't such a crook, he wouldn't be under continuous investigation.
pdockal · 56-60, M
PatKirby · M
No. There is no evidence. 1,000 pounds of hearsay, rumor, gossip, innuendo, or anecdotes do not equal 1 ounce of evidence.
PatKirby · M
@Harriet03

No. There is no evidence. 1,000 pounds of hearsay, rumor, gossip, innuendo, or anecdotes do not equal 1 ounce of evidence. See you next Thursday.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@PatKirby Tosser!
PatKirby · M
[@Harridan69]
Why thank you! You know I always welcome diverse opinions like yours. It helps me understand your tolerance level for other differing opinions. I am really grateful for learning from the best, namely you and your ilk, so I can pass along your unabashed solicitation to be more tolerant.


HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Your confused and i know why
MrSmooTh · 31-35, M
If you think that's an issurection you're in for it when the shit really hits the fan.
MethDozer · M
@MrSmooTh Lee should have been hung for treason and Reconstruction should have lasted 100 years.
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Zonuss · 41-45, M
@MrSmooTh No he wont win again. Half of his supporters are already saying they don't want him back in..😂
You legal experts on SW...I would NOT want to mess with you guys 🥺 You have evidence of Trump's crimes, his racism and the 39 million lies he told while in office. How does Trump keep getting away with it all?
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Another Bombshell @Barefooter25
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
@BizSuitStacy Yet they ignore the daily video evidence of Biden’s dementia
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@BizSuitStacy He doesn't. That's why all his friends are in prison..And that's why he lost the 2024 election. 🙂
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Like, despite all my complaints about the American political system which is uh, all of it, one thing it has done well is maintain peaceful exchange of power. Arresting political opponents sets dangerous precedent. Remember all the "lock her up" stuff about Clinton. Even if the notion that the President is basically immune from any criminal prosecution is dangerous in and of itself I think it escalates things and Biden ends up the next one in jail once the REpublicans (imho inevitably) retake power.
MethDozer · M
@BlueVeins I hear that, but I don't see how it can work when the system is basically a glorified popularity contest and one has the level of active support he does. Our whole system revolves not around actual support but around active support vs. Apathetic resistence. The franchised vs. The disenfranchised. Those who feel empowered by a message vs. those who feel stripped of any power. If I'm right to believe that ia the case the actions to take it down can very likely amount to "innocence" by the courts of law and where does that bring us?
BlueVeins · 22-25
@MethDozer The obvious answer would be to seize power administratively and take away all the advantages that so greatly empower the Republican base. They're doing it anyway, so we might as well just shoot our shot now.
@MethDozer The GOP destroyed it, then. The balance of liberal and conservative voices on the bench were the checks and balances designed to prevent what is currently happening to women’s and voters’ rights. Even if something is precariously balanced, deliberately knocking it over is an act of destruction. 🙁
Shaveit · 61-69, M
He HAS been charged numerous times and always been cleared!
@Zonuss You never let us down on SW. When we look for what and who is leading America down to the sewers in the last 6 years..........it is always those that "don't know and don't care"........leading the way.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@anythingoes477 America has been going down the wrong path for the past generation now.
Its a global plan to have things the way that it is right now.
@Zonuss The last generation you speak of stated with Reagan...........the one that laid the same exact game plans Trump built on. Tax breaks for the rich........do away with Social Security......bust unions.......re-lying again about how great it is for us and jobs and all of that bullshit....to keep the poor, poor and the rich richer so then the wealth can trickle down.
I think about anyone that cares about America would like to see trump charged and tried. I mean how do the Oath Keepers go to jail for doing what they were told to do..but the one that told them to do it gets a pass? There we're civil Rico laws pass just for this situation. But will he go to trial.......maybe a 1 in a million chance. The evidence for a president to go to prison has to be sooooooo overwhelming that no appeal will ever clear him of it. We think it's there from watching the Jan 6th hearings but legally..........maybe not so much.

But that said.............he's 76 years old. The trial here that matters is convicting him in the minds of voters and I think that verdict is sealed by a big enough majority to make sure he don't get elected...if he does get stupid and runs again. If he does...and loses again.... he'll be 80 before he can try again and that means age alone will mean he's a dead hope for the cult. IF everyone that turned out to vote against him last time does it again............he's dead.
black4white · 56-60, M
@anythingoes477 He will lose and so does his followers and they will just scream voter fraud AGAIN!!!! yet its never been proven.
Bidens phone call to corrupt Ukrainian leader poreshenko. detailing a plan to not ask trump for more cash so as he dont wise up to their corruption..

literally is 1000000% worse then the infamous trump asking zelinskey to look into biden corruption in the Ukraine phone call.

i expect ole drunky nancy to walk papers of impeachment across the sacred halls any second now..

🍿
PatKirby · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout


i expect ole drunky nancy to walk papers of impeachment across the sacred halls any second now..

🍿

... 🦗 crickets
Oster1 · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout The left, is hated, the world over!
President's have immunity, so no. He did leave office after being upset about losing to whats his name, that spends all his time focused on Europe.
@windinhishair im familiar, i just couldn't care about it, bc folks like you use it for misleading reasons, to promote your selfishness, its fools gold, nothing more.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@checkoutanytime Enjoy the rest of the night. It must be quite early in Uzbekistan.
@windinhishair well after building bridges for my fellow citizens, here in The USA, im ready to retire shortly this evening.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
@OldMan70 like obama
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AbbySvenz · F
Sure, let’s just send the message that fomenting rebellion is OK
AbbySvenz · F
Maybe try watching the hearings 🤷‍♀️@sunsporter1649
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@AbbySvenz The comedy channel makes more sense
pdockal · 56-60, M
@AbbySvenz
What does that have to do with your statement ?
We were formed on rebellion and revolution and its ALWAYS on the table regardless of YOUR personal feelings
Ughhhhh
Slickmel · 100+, M
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smiler2012 · 56-60
if you look at the bigger picture there was enough evidence to indite trump for being directly responsible for incite the insurrection of january the sixth.nobody is above the law and you break the law you should take the consequences of your action .i am not american but i find it so difficult as an outsider to understand why this man can command so much appeal from the american people [trollslayer]
smiler2012 · 56-60
@sunsporter1649 you call it that the guy who was shot sadly must of been warned before the policeman fired . i am sure the policeman followed police procedure, just think that policeman has this death on his conscience for the rest of his days
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@smiler2012 The "guy" was an unarmed female veteran
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 no warning.
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ididntknow · 51-55, M
@MalteseFalconPunch I’m going to say stupid shit, I always do that when I’m speaking to morons
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Oster1 · M
Hell NO! The left are insane. The whole world, hates them too!

DeSantis 2024
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Oster1 You're hilarious. Now you are back to lying about your multiple accounts? It fits with your lack of character.
Oster1 · M
@windinhishair What a damn fool! I have more character and skill sets, than you, will ever have.

#The World Hates Leftist Policies

Change your ways, before you are 'left' behind! 😉
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Oster1 @Oster1 Sorry, TOaster Puck. The Nazis were defeated in WWII and aren't going to come back. You're fighting a losing battle at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons. Your lying, deception, and disinformation will never succeed. I wish you good health and sanity in your remaining few years.
BigBulge · 41-45, M
Unless you've got evidence, you don't have a case.
@anythingoes477 that's rather the point. Evidence doesn't work.
@Roundandroundwego It does...............if law exists to put it to use. But constitutionally the founders never imagined an elected official....especially a president....could possibly be so corrupt he would actually try to overthrow the United States to kill democracy. And neither could lawmakers for the past 240 years. So how do you prosecute a sitting or ex president is totally new ground. The best thing we can count on until safety nets are put into place for guidelines on how to prosecute the next one that is this corrupt and treasonous......is to expose just how corrupt trump is and count on the voters to have some sense of patriotism, ethics and common sense at the voting booth..,,,,,should he try again to take down America.

In the meantime.............he gets older and older.........and fatter...........and lazier. Between age and health.......the way to rid America of trumpism is to hope he dies...OR....... turn public opinion against him to block him from gaining an office...any office....ever again.....between now and the time he dies. Bad it comes down to that but if we count on what used to be the Republican Party to get back on track by dumping him...that is like hoping you can shake a fart out of a sheet.
@anythingoes477 not in the US political system. It works against the majority on everything. But you win! Length away that pesky understanding. Dem on! Nobody ever can do anything about anything -. Ever!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Should be put to a trial, because at least there will be some settlement one way or the other.

What I see is the right is being afraid of a guilty verdict. They want him to run again, so they are afraid. They disregard all the conservatives that have already testified against Trump, so they know he is guilty.

They have no regard for this system of checks and balances. That actually is offensive to them and why they are still fighting against this coming to a trial. They want a dictator that fits only their own views.

If you want him to not be elected again then a trial is absolutely necessary. Other wise you are enabling him to run again. And encouraging another January 6th incident.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer Biggest supporters of socialism currently in washington I can find.

DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sunsporter1649 and you just stated you are with them!
the demonocrat party has plenty of cash
@sunsporter1649 $4.1 trillion in cash handouts to businesses & individuals during 2020 isn't socialism??

black4white · 56-60, M
Yes he should be charge with TAX Evasion .... and all those other items that are factual and can be proven OUTSIDE of the POTUS BS he caused.

When you pay $750 for 10+ years and make millions..... there is a problem NOW if he did not use the roads or infrastructure like we all do ...so be it but he does and yeah his followers are going to say its okay and blah blah but we all know its wrong and illegal what he did and is doing. Just the loopholes and all.
black4white · 56-60, M
@Slade you know you are impressive with your name calling …it speaks VOLUMES for your intelligence… WOW
Slade · 56-60, M
@black4white After the garbage you posted before, you blather that?

You make it soooooooo easy. Like a hanging curve belt high
pdockal · 56-60, M
@black4white
Tax evasion ????? He followed the letter of the IRS code so if you want to blame anybody blame those in charge of the codes
He needs to be charged and sent to court.

He claimed to be a "law and order" President, but then used that office to evade the reckonings he was due to have.

We need to show the country that democracy CAN work, incl. the idea that NO ONE is above the law.

His crimes are too great. He's a traitor to his oath, the Constitution, the entire country.
Trump is not above the law.
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
@softspokenman Don’t be naive… Trumps stuff is no different that the scandals surrounding the current senile one.
@Bill1372 I haven't seen too many Presidents plan, organize and attempt a coup against Democracy have you ? This is something that he can't buy his way out of. If you believe his lies then you're not 'naive' you're "Gullible".
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
@softspokenman ok, let me know when it happens. Wouldn’t want to miss it.
redredred · M
Not until he commits them.
Vin53 · M
Even if he committed a crime or crimes?

@Magenta
PatKirby · M
@HoraceGreenley

Q: What do you call a father from Indiana?

A: A Hoosier Daddy.
Northwest · M
No one should be above the law. Clearly he thinks he is. He said that he can shoot someone on 5th Avenue, in broad daylight, and get away with it.

Shame on those who think they're making America great, and still voted for a guy who thinks the way he is.

If the evidence is forwarded to the DOJ and the DOJ decided to act on it (indict, grand jury, trial, etc.), then so be it.

The court of public opinion is not doing dick to make sure this guy is no longer a threat to our constitutional republic AND the rule of law.
kodiac · 22-25, M
Should Biden be charged with crimes? There is more evidence against him than against Trump.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@kodiac President Biden is not responsible for his adult son and cannot be prosecuted for any crimes his son may have committed. You do know that, right?

Was asking for a favor from the Ukrainian President Zelensky, which Trump called a "favor", in return for foreign aid approved by Congress, a crime? Trump was impeached for it.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@windinhishair Not impeached unless i missed something. Are you just being obtuse or you really don't know that biden was getting a cut from every deal his son made? The email was published
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@kodiac You are missing something. Impeachment is the sole purview of the House of Representatives. The House impeached Trump. The Senate did not convict Trump, but that does not in any way erase the impeachment. Trump is the only twice-impeached President in history and will always have the two impeachments. They cannot be erased.

I have seen the allegations of Biden accepting money, but an email released by Republicans who have a computer in their custody is not even close to proof. If there is actual evidence, say documented wire transfers, etc., then he should be indicted and charged.
Should your ID be "troll" instead of "trollslayer"? This posts surely suggests that.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LamontCranston Troll PLAYER is what he should change his name to.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@LamontCranston Why, because he tells the truth?
justanothername · 51-55, M
Republicans don’t believe in being held accountable for anything because
A: it never happened

B: Don’t believe anything a Democrat says.
C: when having an argument always Deny, Deny then throw irrelevant information into the argument then distract.

D: always refer rule A if all else fails.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@justanothername Yes. It's like they are toddlers trying to dispute with a parent. 🙂
Zonuss · 41-45, M
@Shaveit Evidence please. Oh I see....you have none.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Shaveit So you picked option C.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
He should be charged with various counts regarding his business practices at the local and state levels, and for insurrection on the Federal level. Plus he probably needs his income taxes VERY closely checked.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie His taxes will be what hangs him.. His last accountants already admitted they were incorrectly done..😷
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
@ChipmunkErnie lmao… income taxes. System is rigged for anyone rich. The rich have the power to make sure things are in their favor. Stop worrying about Presidents. Congress and the Senate are the real problem. Remember they said that insider trading is a “job perk”?!? How can you be in charge of regulating an industry you are heavily invested in? Big time conflict of interest. How do you think Nancy Pelosi is worth over 100 million dollars?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Bill1372 I agree. Both sides are equally guilty and until its stopped the people will get fleeced every time..😷
helenS · 36-40, F
It's always debatable whether ex-presidents should be charged.
A French court imposed a one-year sentence on former president Nicolas Sarkozy after finding him guilty of illegal campaign financing for his 2012 re-election campaign. (!) The court will allow the ex-president to serve the sentence at home by wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet.
Snuffy1957 · 61-69, M
Fuuuuck noooo... there IS NO evidence!
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
If he isn't it gives a green light to future presidents, to do what they like without fear of repercussions.
Can you imagine De Santis with that knowledge?!!!!!!

😱
Slade · 56-60, M
@Harriet03 Good. I want BOTH Trump and DeSantis armed with that.

Now go brush your tooth
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Slade well you're a bigger f*cking moron that i first thought.
If that's possible?! 🤔
Nah.
Slade · 56-60, M
@Harriet03 Scathing comeback
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
No. He must be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. If he is not, that will mark the beginning of the end of our nation.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@DunningKruger
Beginning of the end
Seriously
We've been in trouble for a long time
I was better off 2 years ago then i am now
If you dig every politician is a crook
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Trump should be locked up at Guantanamo for trying to 'buy' a civil war.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@zonavar68 how about obama for degrading race relations to pre civil war levels thereby fomenting insurrection by blm
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@CorvusBlackthorne
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False start, 10 yard penalty, repeat 1st down
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
There's never any hard evidence. Just shady witnesses who democratic politicians running around parroting like chickens with their heads removed. This long standing pattern definitely has help polarize things.
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
@windinhishair Portland 100 Days of Violence

There should be thousands more like that. Try googling.
pancakeslam · 41-45, M
@anythingoes477 The Jan. 6 Committee still hasn't reached out to key figures in former Trump administration aide Cassidy Hutchinson's explosive testimony, according to a U.S. Secret Service (USSS) official
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@pancakeslam The entire city of Portland wasn't trashed and looted. Please identify the thousands of other cities destroyed as you claim.
If he's guilty there should be legal penalties. Nobody is above the law.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues The check was administered on the Firearms Transaction Record Biden filled out in order to purchase a .38 revolver on October 12, 2018.

Hunter Biden has battled drug addiction through much of his adult life, and was discharged from the Navy in 2014 after failing a drug test.
@sunsporter1649 So you have PROOF that Hunter's answer was false ON THE DAY he filled out the form? All the dude needs is a reasonable doubt and prosecution's case collapses. You have PROOF beyond that reasonable doubt??

No, you don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. You just have a burning desire to turn the conversation away from Trump's crimes.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues The check was administered on the Firearms Transaction Record Biden filled out in order to purchase a .38 revolver on October 12, 2018.

Hunter Biden has battled drug addiction through much of his adult life, and was discharged from the Navy in 2014 after failing a drug test
Absolutely not… the best president in many moons!
Right now the GQP base is avoiding the truth by not watching the hearings. If Dotard had his own TV show called, The Trial Of Donald Trump, they would watch. Maybe they would actually learn what happened during Trump's Presidency and what happened and who was REALLY responsible for Jan 6th.
When trump is charged, tried, and found guilty by a jury of his peers, American Citizens, it will be because of his actions/inactions that he is guilty of, not because of what was done to him.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@softspokenman That’s why it’s called inciting violence as opposed to leading the charge, which he would have done if the Secret Service had let him have his way.
@justanothername Hopefully on Thursday 7/21/2022 there will be detailed information made available to the public.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Doesn't matter if his Cult dislikes it. If we still have a country, no one is above the law. If it strengthens his support, so be it. And when they commit crimes in the future on his behalf, lock them up too. Let the rule of law prevail.
Vin53 · M
Even if he committed a crime or crimes?

@Slickmel
Slickmel · 100+, M
@Vin53 no
Vin53 · M
So if trump were to host a rally in FL and invite Desantis up on stage and then put a bullet through his head and then slit Mrs Desnatis's throat for good measure, he shouldn't be charged with a crime?

@Slickmel
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
I don't think so. I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but the political administration that defeated him then prosecuting him? Nah. That's a slippery slope and likely to result a vis-a-vis reaction. America needs to be bigger than that.

And while it appears to me that Trump encouraged his supporters I don't think his legal culpability is beyond a reasonable doubt, anyway.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@DffrntDrmmr You mean the same way they went after Hillary for Benghazi? It's hardly anything new, except in this case, there seems to be compelling evidence. If the testimony is to be believed so far, he was willing to let people with guns join the insurrection walk of shame to the Capitol dome. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been had he succeeded?
@LordShadowfire That was wrong, too, and I don't like Hillary, either. I haven't followed the news of 1/6 closely (mostly headlines) so I don't know about any new Trump/gun revelations yet, but that does bring up a point. Why is it described as an "insurrection" if they left their guns in their rooms? I think it was more of a unruly protest with some resulting violence.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@DffrntDrmmr It is called an insurrection because it was. Many people were armed with weapons, including firearms. People have pled guilty to possessing firearms in the Capitol and others found guilty of armed trespass. People WERE armed. It wasn't an unruly protest any more than WWII was a light skirmish.
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