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Should Trump be charged with crimes?

My question is not about whether or not he is guilty of crimes, but whether it would be good for the country as a whole to charge him even if there is ample evidence. I certainly see where there is enough evidence of crimes, but considering 40% of the country is still swallowing his #$%#, I think having him "tried" in the court of public opinion may be the better outcome in the long run. I fear that charging him will only strengthen his support.
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CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Like, despite all my complaints about the American political system which is uh, all of it, one thing it has done well is maintain peaceful exchange of power. Arresting political opponents sets dangerous precedent. Remember all the "lock her up" stuff about Clinton. Even if the notion that the President is basically immune from any criminal prosecution is dangerous in and of itself I think it escalates things and Biden ends up the next one in jail once the REpublicans (imho inevitably) retake power.
@CountScrofula So Trump should get away with leading an insurrection ? No penalty whatsoever ? What would [b]that[/b] mean for us if he got into office [b]again[/b] ? He also destroyed our Supreme Court, should we give him the opportunity to make the presidency a lifetime post, too ? 😞
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@bijouxbroussard I don't think arresting Trump is going to fix much. I get why it makes perfect sense to do so and it very well may happen, but a sense of justice is not actually going to fix anything. The courts aren't gonna save anyone. Correct outcome is in the streets.
@CountScrofula One major thing it will fix is that [b]he[/b] won’t be able to run in 2024. Justice in the streets may scare the folks in charge, but ultimately it puts [b]poor[/b] people in jail or gets them shot by police.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@CountScrofula What if we just charge enough Republicans to gain a supermajority in the Senate and then pass a bunch of voting laws that make it impossible for Republicans to ever win again
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@BlueVeins A foolproof plan!
BlueVeins · 22-25
@CountScrofula [i]loads musket[/i]
MethDozer · M
@bijouxbroussard The thing is, and I think part of what Scroff might be going at, is he didn't destroy the SC. He stacked it exactly the way the process is meant to function. He exploited the problematic baked in process.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@MethDozer Yes that's it, thank you. If the entire fate of the country hinged on if an 80 year old woman would die in office your system is broken.
MethDozer · M
@CountScrofula word, and lets be real. RGB wasn't [b]that[/b] great. I'm not a hater of her but objectively speaking a lot of the rosey tint she had around her was more to do with the darkness that surrounded her and the position. Like it's easy to be a beacon of light in the bowels of a dingy cave.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@MethDozer Trump didn't, but McConnell kinda did by abdicating his Constitutional duty to hold a vote on Obummer's Supreme Court nomination. In any case, I'm not super sure it matters. To my understanding, it was perfectly legal when Hitler was appointed chancellor; the systems that make democracy work can just as well be used to dismantle it. If your point is that we gotta change the Supreme Court, I agree, but obv a ground-up reform at this moment would be impractical.
MethDozer · M
@BlueVeins McConnell, yes.
Yet that is where I start to find fault in the whole focus on Trump. Anyone who actually knows me knows I am no Trump fan or appologist but he's become such a monolitj for everything wrong in the system that the more consitent amd long term players that add up to a llmuch larger, older, and lingering part of our problem can go unoticed. It's a case of trearing the symptom over the disease imho.
MethDozer · M
@BlueVeins The cynical side of me wants to believe that was the whole point of Trump in reality. A smoke screen to take attention away from the good ol' boys doing buisiness as usual.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@MethDozer I'd be happy to give McConnel & his friends the rope, I just don't know if we have enough on him to hit him with the book. Overall, DeSantis seems more dangerous, but as far as I'm concerned, the strat right now is to focus on the trump train bc they're the most vulnerable.
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@bijouxbroussard Honestly I kind of want him to run because if he doesn't then our next president will be DeSantis, guaranteed. I actually think Trump has a chance of losing another election anyway. But if DeSantis wins I have no doubt he will make good on his word to "make America Florida".
MethDozer · M
@BlueVeins I hear that, but I don't see how it can work when the system is basically a glorified popularity contest and one has the level of active support he does. Our whole system revolves not around actual support but around active support vs. Apathetic resistence. The franchised vs. The disenfranchised. Those who feel empowered by a message vs. those who feel stripped of any power. If I'm right to believe that ia the case the actions to take it down can very likely amount to "innocence" by the courts of law and where does that bring us?
BlueVeins · 22-25
@MethDozer The obvious answer would be to seize power administratively and take away all the advantages that so greatly empower the Republican base. They're doing it anyway, so we might as well just shoot our shot now.
@MethDozer The GOP destroyed it, then. The balance of liberal and conservative voices on the bench were the checks and balances designed to prevent what is currently happening to women’s and voters’ rights. Even if something is precariously balanced, deliberately knocking it over [b]is[/b] an act of destruction. 🙁