@irishmolly72 polls they don’t ask “everybody “ ha ha everybody is happy with debt cancellation especially Republicans so smart college students can trickle all over them. See???? Ha ha
Imagine if schools cut out all the useless electives a student is forced to take in order to get a degree. That would be an excellent step in the right direction to reducing costs of overpriced education.
@irishmolly72 Unemployment may be low but graduates with unpaid loans could be flipping burgers or filling jobs for high school grads just to make ends meet. The jobless graduate with unpaid loans is likely to be a loser to begin with. Government programs to assist losers are cooked up by Congress. Those in Congress who voted for the programs must pick up the tab.
@sree251 [quote]Government programs to assist losers are cooked up by Congress. Those in Congress who voted for the programs must pick up the tab.[/quote]
That's easy to do when you can print money via the Federal Reserve. The federal debt is now approaching $33 Trillion. Think we going to pay any of that back? This is a racket.
@irishmolly72 I meant to say that the Congressmen are personally responsible. You are right. They are our representatives and we are the ones holding the bag for their silly policies.
Expecting people to be fiscally responsible? 😳 The horror. Yes...education costs have sky rockted astronomically over the last 30+ years...increasing at a rate far greater than the cost of living. I wonder what happened? 🙄
@MethDozer Capitalism is about freedom and the right to create wealth, along with the associated responsibility for one's own outcomes. Your jealous rants are so tedious.
@Gloomy @Gloomy [quote]Libel is a written form of defamation. The word comes from the Latin libellus, which is the diminutive of liber, meaning "book." The earliest use of libel, in the 14th century, had the meaning of "a written declaration, bill, certificate, request, or supplication.."[/quote]
@Slade it's okay - gaslighting the messenger is working. No backlash is possible. Give us another clown face and prove that the empire killing us all is a snide democracy worthy of our response.
Couple of points. People shouldn't expext loan forgiveness for useless degrees such as gender studies. The degree isnt worth the lone. When the loans were guaranteed the colleges just raised costs. Loans should be privatized.
@irishmolly72 This video shows differences in overal expectation of the political system on the conservative side but I never said the systems are the same but my statement on ideology still stands. I agree with the one comment under the video that outlines the difference between US and European view of the state.
What a fabulous day 🙂🙂🙂 I have no problem with people paying their own bills. If you don't want to pay the bill then don't go or at least consider a community college. The cost there is far more affordable. That's where I went and I am not embarrassed to admit it. I worked and paid cash as I went. I never had a bill.
@Musicman There you go bud. It's all about you. What an awesome human being. Bet you throw a flag up this weekend and beat your chest about what a great patriot you are, right? Whatever dude.
@Ynotisay Actually I have never flown a flag. My dad did though. About five years before he passed he had a flag pole installed and flew one daily. He was a Army Korean war combat veteran.
I never said education wasn't good. All I said was don't get the most expensive one you can find because you will be paying for it for years. No, I don't think the tax payers should have to pay for everyone's college degree. What about the kids who don't want to go to college. Are you going to pay for their vocational training?
@Musicman Fair enough.But if you'd been following this issue, and the even bigger one regarding a proposal for "free" secondary education, you'd know that vocational schools were included. And that runs from cosmetology to swinging a hammer. But what happened is that conservatives sold this as being the bastion of the "liberal elite." And that's SO not what it's about. Just another example of how so many are so quick to kiss the hand that beats them and why so many fight against what's in their own best interest. Because they're told to.
@MasterLee [quote]no bailouts of any kind. Not ukraine, not corporations, not students.[/quote]
I would suggest that we consider a Balanced Budget Amendment. If the taxpayers had to see direct tax increases for these subsidies, there is no way they would happen. As it stands now we just increase our $32 Trillion debt ad infinitum. Biden, Trump et al. just printed the money they needed via their pawns at the Fed.
@jshm2 [quote] It was a helping hand he was giving[/quote] No, he was subsidizing a group of young people who will eventually become some of the wealthiest people in human history. He was buying votes by printing fake money and giving it away to people who don't need it.
Americans will pay through inflation.... the cruelest tax of all because it's regressive. Therefore he's hurting poor americans to buy votes from future wealthy americans. It's a shell game, and all the liberals are fooled.
It's sooooo American to say something like...."just be more responsible" rather than digging into how it becomes and issue (required high interest rates) and what a good fix would be....Just turn your back on the problem and pretend it's really simple to fix....
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow That didn't refer to all taxes of course, just confiscatory tax, silly boy.
I'm sure that no one other than a bored moderator is even bothering to read this, but if someone is, I'm sure he can see the flaws in your logic instantly.
[quote]We've pulled more people on the planet out of poverty than any other country in human history...... and it's not even close![/quote]
Stated with confidence. Alas, and as usually is the case with you, it's absolutely not true.
The correct statement, is that the US created more rich people than any other country in human history.... and not's even close. Examples stretch all the way from the post civil war robber baron era, all the way to the tech boom, and up and including the pandemic boom.
Alas, 12% of the US lives below the poverty level, and the middle class has collapsed. Even those who can afford to eat, are seeing their life spans cut short, due to lack of health insurance, and cost of medical services.
China, on the other hand has 0% of its people living below the poverty line, and everyone has guaranteed healthcare.
I am not arguing methods or politics, just stating facts.
@irishmolly72 [quote]You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own made-up facts.[/quote]
Absolutely, now we're getting somewhere. So, would you care to elaborate on how, and I will re-quote you:
[quote]We've pulled more people on the planet out of poverty than any other country in human history...... and it's not even close![/quote]
You say it's been copiously proven, so, certainly, someone like you, who believes people should be entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts, can provide some references?
[quote]I'm not your secretary. Google is your friend however.[/quote]
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own made-up facts.
[quote]The ultimate sign of failure in a debate is when your opponent repeatedly says "prove it" over and over. [/quote]
And now you progressed to making up stuff about the rules of debate. It's really simple, if you can't prove your point, you have no point, and that's the actual rule #1 in debate.
@TexChik wow! These dealings are common knowledge across all political spectrums. Across the world. Are you questioning these deals? If so, you are selectively blind, happily ill informed and...a fucking idiot.
@irishmolly72 I haven't lost anything, I'm still here waiting for you to answer how can a bank possibly be "woke", after having already abundantly corrected on the fact it was NOT "completely bailed out", and now answering your desperate «plz leave, I'm hurt 😭» pleads
@Elessar Ask their diversity officer, since they didn't bother to hire a risk officer like every other bank does. If they did they might still be viable.
Just make student loan debt dischargable in bankruptcy like it was in the eighties. After the law was changed tuition fees went through the roof and continued to rise because it was guaranteed money
@Onestarlitnight Unfortunately the government would then just bail out the banking system which would be in a state of collapse. See how socialism works?
@SomeMichGuy Why should I take action contrary to my own interests in the trap of the US extortion rackets caled SS and Medicare? Uncle Sam has us by the balls and everyone knows it.
If I am made whole I would gladly do as you say in a heartbeat.
@Emosaur The only point on that list I disagree with is the one about religion. The only reason I disagree is because when it comes to division and conflict religion is just the excuse to justify it. If it was not religion they would just find another reason to justify the same behavior.
@MarmeeMarch Literally in the whole first-world a part of taxes cover a significant amount of education costs, including yes college level education. This because if not enough people can afford specializing, the economy gets heavily f*cked with a shortage of specialized workers.
On the other hand, bailing out rich CEOs for them to spend it in yatches and partying has zero return whatsoever to the taxpayers, and ultimately is a waste of public money.
As I told you, this ain't Russia, I have free speech. I'll continue to point out how you're in favor or wasting public money in bailouts that give absolutely zero returns to the taxpayers, while opposing economic reliefs to students that are critical for the system. In other words, you're here advocating for the US to go down the Russian brain drain path, because like the other Republicans on here, you're full of sh*t and actually care zero about tax money, only "owning the libs". And you know already when you can put that flag. NATO will continue to back Ukraine, deal with it, and cope.
Biden is a doof. Can't get healthcare for veterans but wants to buy votes.
Plus paying back the students loans, in any amount, on the backs of taxpayers cannot exceed 10% of disposable income. If you have no income for 20 years, all is forgiven. So the message is: borrow money, get a degree, don't work, get free money.
Compare this to ppp: if we had not had a plandemic, forcing mom and pop businesses to close their doors. Forced to take ppp to feed their families.
Great news here: unless you currently have a student loan, this is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. It’s between the specific borrowers and the federal government of the USA, I repeat 3 more times
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
@Roundandroundwego Who do you think China sold everything to? We opened our markets to them because they were moving closer to a free market system. In an economic sense it worked very well, thanks to us! 😀
College as an investment: Our president is subsidizing the people who are represented in the purple bars:
Is there any wonder costs are sky high? It's basically turning into a massive speculative bubble. This usually happens when government stupidly subsidizes things it deems "good" for society, like Barney Frank's insane subsidization of housing in the early 2000s.
This is not to say that housing and education are bad for society, but rather that the stupid subsidization of them is. We discover this over and over again.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow [quote]Says the person claiming completely fucking over the customer is the only correct point of view. That bankrupting people is somehow moral.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure I didn't say any of this, but since libel laws don't apply here.... fire away!!! 😂😅🤣
School lunches should be free. No kid in America should ever go without a lunch. Free school lunches is the easiest and most cost effective way of ensuring that.
Righties see a negligent parent who should find a better job, and never had kids, and irresponsiblitu, blah, blah,blah.
The better of us just see an innocent and hungery goddamn [big]child[/big]who needs a fucking sandwhich
@irishmolly72 No Little Miss Molly. I did not decalare it obsolete. I declared any real or imagined economic ideals of the Founding Fathers obsolete. The Constittuion doesn't mention or have anything to do with economic systems.
@irishmolly72 please remember how serious the pandemic was. It killed over 1.1 millions n US citizens, it put tens of millions of people out of work. Without the stimulus package how bad would you have wanted things to become be effective the government became involved. The US fail time after time to invest in infrastructure and public health. The federal involvement won't make up for all the years, but at least, is going in the right direction.
The US is in dire need of skilled labor. For those being shut out of a college education, please consider a trade. Construction workers, plumbers, electricians, and automobile technicians....and NONE of these jobs can be outsourced.
@Human1000 Great comments. And I would add that there is nothing that precludes a skilled plumber from being a well educated individual overall. A college degree is not and should not be a status symbol of the educated class.
Yes, imagine a world in which predatory lenders aren't allowed to charge such an insane amount of interest that these kids will never be able to pay off their debts. Perish the fucking thought.
@MethDozer You are confusing cause and effect. The schools are taking children who are poor, hispanic, black or whatever, and educating them to become high achievers. I know you are in denial about this, but it's happening and it's proof positive about the concept of charter schools and other school choice initiatives. The research I provided proves this.
America has lost my step daughter to *********. . She comes from a brilliant affluent family. Yet she has chosen the profession of education. ****** will benefit from her her heart and brilliance.
@Gloomy [quote]Infinite growth on a finite planet and endless competition isn't the best.[/quote]
Growth doesn't just come from making more stuff. Growth can come from using existing resources in a much more efficient way.
[quote]Economic growth occurs whenever people take resources and rearrange them in ways that are more valuable. A useful metaphor for production in an economy comes from the kitchen. To create valuable final products, we mix inexpensive ingredients together according to a recipe. The cooking one can do is limited by the supply of ingredients, and most cooking in the economy produces undesirable side effects. If economic growth could be achieved only by doing more and more of the same kind of cooking, we would eventually run out of raw materials and suffer from unacceptable levels of pollution and nuisance. Human history teaches us, however, that economic growth springs from better recipes, not just from more cooking. New recipes generally produce fewer unpleasant side effects and generate more economic value per unit of raw material
Thank goodness there isnt another country where people can go live where education or health care doesnt bankrupt a person at both the beginning and the end of their life. Or America would be losing promising young people, Just like India and China were by the thousand some years back..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman America has lost my step daughter to *********. . She comes from a brilliant family. Yet, she has chosen the profession of education. The small country of ****** will benefit from her love of learning and brilliance. So yes, America will lose some of its brightest citizens. She chose a home that would allow her future children a free. Education and healthcare. And she learned a language other than English to acclimate to their culture.
@Mindful Americas loss is someone elses gain. It used to be that the best minds went to America to do research. now those same labs are establishing in other countries and sents a few Americans to lead local teams..😷
No too up to speed on this topic, huh? Doesn't matter. As long as there's an opportunity to whine or see others doing worse, that's the lane of the real 'muricans.
@quietwhispers101 get them the money! Have more free community colleges, have more programs combining work study, I could go on! How many GIs went to school on the GI bill?
I understand why someone would want all their loans paid off. What strikes me as odd is how these same people seem shocked and offended when others think they should pay off their loans. It's as if that's not how life actually works.
@Graylight Being 'educated' is scorned because it fits the Party of Trump ( formerly the GOP) narrative of 'it's the elites...the media...the Hollywood types...George Soros...etc.
