Voter Fraud

Democrats have depended on voter fraud for so long they will fight like hell to prevent the windows to fraud from being closed.

This case from history has all the bells and whistles of democrat voter fraud and corruption at its 'finest.' There were corruption, murder, payoffs, mobsters, fraud, crooked cops, crooked mayors, crooked politicians, prostitution, bribery, and more.

https://www.history.com/news/tammany-hall-corruption-downfall-fdr-seabury-investigation


The Insane 1930s Graft Investigation That Took Down New York's Mayor—and Then Tammany Hall
When FDR found out how beholden New York politicians were to mobsters, he ordered the Seabury commission to investigate.

... prostitution: ... in 1923, he found her in bed with a man who wasn’t her husband. Believing her lover had paid her for sex, the police officer hauled her off to jail. She was imprisoned, convicted, and sentenced to time at an upstate reformatory.

But Vivian Gordon knew there was more to the story. She suspected that her estranged husband, a U.S. marshal, had arranged the arrest in retaliation for their upcoming divorce. And like hundreds of other women caught up in New York’s vicious cycle of “frame-ups,” she couldn’t do anything to fight it.

The cops were in on it. The judges were in on it. Even the lawyers who represented women accused of prostitution and petty crimes were in on it. But what Gordon could never have suspected was that her 1923 arrest would one day take down an entire political machine.

The front page of the New York Daily News on May 25, 1931, regarding the solved murder of Vivian Gordon.

... When she was murdered on February 25, 1931, Gordon unknowingly became part of one of the city’s most famous corruption investigations—and a central figure in a scandal that helped put an end to the dominance of New York’s Democratic political machine.
Tammany Hall, the outgrowth of an 18th-century political society, had ruled New York’s Democratic Party (and the city itself) for over a century. In a time before public welfare, Tammany’s political bosses helped their hangers-on with everything from heating to health care, negotiating with landlords and sometimes paying in exchange for constituents’ votes. Party members provided strength in numbers, voting their candidates into office over and over again.

By the 1930s, Tammany had woven its way into every level of city politics—and it was controlled by the New York Mob. Graft and cronyism ruled many facets of city government, including the judicial system and police department. Elected officials handed out appointments to their friends, providing them with access to bribes and power, and most institutions prioritized helping Democrats who had shown their loyalty to Tammany instead of serving all constituents equally.

Allegations of judges and politicians beholden to gangsters prompted New York’s new governor, Franklin D. Roosevelt, to pursue a serious investigation of corruption in the city in 1930. In response, the New York State Legislature formed the Hofstadter Committee, a joint legislative committee headed by State Senator Samuel Hofstadter. It appointed Samuel Seabury, an anti-Tammany Democrat, prominent lawyer and past judge, as legal counsel.

... The task force suspected that the justice system and the rest of the city’s administration thrived on bribes and power shares that were handed out by Tammany Hall Democrats and which benefited party members. They quickly homed in on “frame-ups,” a practice by which police officers framed innocent women for financial gain.

... Seabury and the commission suspected frame-ups were common. But it would take a murder to illuminate just how unscrupulous the courts had become. The commission was already in full swing in 1931, when Gordon was found strangled to death in a Bronx park. Her death intrigued the public and caught Roosevelt’s eye. He ordered Seabury to look into her murder.

... But the Seabury commission was less interested in Gordon’s prostitution than her 1923 arrest. She had long suspected she was the victim of a frame-up arranged by her ex-husband, John Bischoff. When Gordon was subsequently sentenced to a reformatory, Bischoff had gotten custody of their daughter, Benita. Gordon’s supposedly sordid life was justification enough for judges to repeatedly deny her custody over the years.
When Gordon heard about the Seabury commission, she wrote to both her ex-husband and the cop who had arrested her, telling them she planned to reveal the frame-up. She had even spoken with an attorney about testifying for the commission. Within days of sending the letter, she was murdered.

The Gordon case gave Seabury reason to dig even deeper into frame-ups. Special hearings about Gordon’s earlier arrest revealed that the police officer who had arrested her had received tens of thousands of dollars for his vice work despite a salary of $3,000 a year. They also provided Seabury with leads on the justice system’s connections to mobsters and party bosses.

“It is impossible to estimate how many honest women in this city have been gouged under threat of arrest or conviction of a crime which they were totally innocent;” wrote Seabury, “but enough testimony has been given on this subject to indicate that the business of framing honest women was very well established and lucrative.”

The Downfall of Tammany Hall
Encouraged by Seabury’s work rooting out corruption in the courts, Roosevelt expanded the investigation. Eventually it grew to include investigations into the District Attorney’s office and finally into every department in New York city government. The testimony of 1,000 New Yorkers revealed sheriffs with massive savings, loans to fictitious relatives and a rigged bidding process.

Finally, New York’s Democratic mayor, James J. Walker, found himself in Seabury’s crosshairs. A special investigation into his conduct revealed the existence of a slush fund politicians and businesspeople used to curry his favor and a record of dirty dealings with contractors. “All told,” writes Jonathan Mahler for New York, “the mayor himself had accepted $1 million in bribes.”

Walker stepped down in disgrace and Fiorello LaGuardia, a reform-minded Republican, replaced him. The scandal marked the end a political era. For years, Tammany Hall had put a price on every city service, from permits to political patronage. Now, its inner workings had been revealed.

@marke says That is FALSE!!!

I'm putting my conclusions up top because I don't trust you to read all the way thru. My numbers are all substantiated by references below.

Conservatives' solution to illegal in-person voting disenfranchises 300 to 16000 valid legal voters for every illegal voter it prevents. That is UNCONSCIONABLE as well as UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You are in a MORAL PANIC over trivial amounts of illegal voting. You only get away with it because the crime of disenfranchising a voter carries no penalty.

You are welcome to address the minuscule problem of illegal in person voting, but NOT AT THAT COST!!! No wonder you are suspected of ulterior motives!!!

Voter fraud has been studied widely, and results published in peer reviewed journals. Democrats don't say it doesn't exist, they say in person illegal voting is minimal and that your proposed solutions are far worse than the problem. Now do me the courtesy of actually reading what I post so that I don't have to repeat it to you bit by bit.

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Take, for example, this study of double voting in the 2012 election. Researchers from Stanford, Harvard and Yale universities investigated how often a person with the same first name, last name and birthdate voted in more than one location. The authors used a model to estimate how many people in the U.S. are share the same name and birthdate. They used that model to estimate how many people in the U.S. have voted twice in the same election. Assuming there were no errors in voter registration records, their analysis found that at most 0.02 percent of the votes cast in 2012 were double votes. But they noted that many, if not all, of these apparent double votes could be a result of measurement error in their model. They also found that a cross-checking strategy designed to purge duplicate voters would eliminate 300 legitimate registrations (where two distinct people had the same name and birthdate) for every registration used to cast a double vote.
*https://5harad.com/papers/1p1v.pdf

A separate systematic review by a political science professor at Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law meticulously investigated voter fraud. (It is important to note that he defines voter fraud as a voter casting a ballot even though he or she is ineligible. This is different from accidental errors by voters or election officials or intentional misconduct by an election official or candidate.)
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/truth-about-voter-fraud

The review looks at specific allegations of voter fraud – typically identified in newspaper stories – and then follows up to find out if there were actual instances of fraud. In the all of the cases, the author finds the fraud is much smaller than originally believed or the result of a clerical or technical error. For example, in 2005, a Michigan newspaper article announced that 132 votes were alleged to have been cast by deceased voters because election officials did not properly match death records and voting lists. The Michigan Secretary of State launched an investigation and found that the “dead voters” actually used absentee ballots. Of the 132 problematic votes, 97 of the ballots were never cast and 27 people voted by absentee ballot before they passed away. Assuming the remaining 8 ballots were actual fraud (which the investigation was not able to prove) indicates that 0.0027 percent of votes in this specific election were fraudulent – not enough to make a difference in the result.

In a related column published in the Washington Post, this same author lists every instance of alleged voter fraud that he is able to find across the country and follows up to find out if there were actual fraudulent votes cast. Between 2000 and 2014, he found 31 instances of voter fraud in total the U.S. in any election – general, primary, special or municipal elections. Over that same period, in general and primary elections alone, U.S. voters cast more than 1 billion votes – leading to a minuscule rate of voter fraud.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

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https://evidencebasedliving.human.cornell.edu/2020/10/21/what-research-tells-us-about-voter-fraud/

Lemme highlight a few points for you:
(1) They also found that a cross-checking strategy designed to purge duplicate voters would eliminate 300 legitimate registrations (where two distinct people had the same name and birthdate) for every registration used to cast a double vote.
Got that? The naive purging strategy purged 300 valid legal voters for every cheater. I ask you honestly, is that worth the price? Is it worth it to strip 300 citizens of their right to vote for every cheater you catch???

(2) Assuming the remaining 8 ballots were actual fraud (which the investigation was not able to prove) indicates that 0.0027 percent of votes in this specific election were fraudulent – not enough to make a difference in the result. Got that? Eight unaccounted-for ballots in the whole state of Michigan. On recounts, we usually see that many errors PER COUNTY!! In other words, it's a level of discrepancy that you cons never worry - about except when you're in your MORAL PANIC about alleged illegal votes!!

(3) Between 2000 and 2014, he found 31 instances of convicted voter fraud in total the U.S. in any election – general, primary, special or municipal elections. Over that same period, in general and primary elections alone, U.S. voters cast more than 1 billion votes Got that? 31 instances of in person illegal voting out of 1 billion votes cast. Can you do that percentage?? Again, it's far smaller than typical counting error. You guys are in a MORAL PANIC about 0.0000031 PERCENT of the vote!!!

Let's assume that for every cheater caught, 20 get away with illegal voting - so 620 illegal votes in that period. Wow, that raises the fraction to 0.000061 PERCENT of the vote!!!

And the voter ID solutions implemented block 1% to 2% of valid legal voters!! (Brennan center.) You guys would disenfranchise TEN MILLION VOTERS to catch 620!! That's SIXTEEN THOUSAND legal voters disenfranchised for every illegal voter blocked. By any measure, that's INSANITY.

Voter fraud does occur. But in person voter fraud - the kind you are in a MORAL PANIC about - is extremely rare; a handful every election. And your proposed solutions block MILLIONS of valid voters per election. So how crazy is it to have the suspician that your real intent is to block valid voters - such as the working poor - and the handful of illegal in person votes per election is just an EXCUSE??

The excuses against voter ID are ridiculous. The left loves to drop the race card, implying some people of color are unable to get one. Which is racist in and of itself. No adult can function in society today without a photo ID. Some states require an ID to vote. That needs to be nationwide.

No one can function in society without a photo ID. You need one to:
1. Buy alcohol
2. Buy cigarettes
3. Opening a bank account
4. Apply for food stamps
5. Apply for welfare
6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
7. Apply for unemployment or a job
8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
9. Drive/buy/rent a car
10. Get on an airplane
11. Get married
12. Purchase a gun
13. Adopt a pet
14. Rent a hotel room
15. Apply for a hunting license
16. Apply for a fishing license
17. Buy a cell phone
18. Visit a casino
19. Pick up a prescription
20. Hold a rally or protest
21. Blood donations
22. Buy an "M" rated video game
23. Purchase nail polish at CVS
24. Purchase certain cold medicines

But requiring a photo ID to vote is somehow racist. 🙄

@marke says:
I eagerly await your posting of this evidence!! In the meantime, the evidence says that current ID requirements DO reduce voter turnout by 2 to 3%. Like I said, I'm very interested in your counter-evidence.

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

Also see: "A disproportionate burden: strict voter identification laws and minority turnout"
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21565503.2020.1773280

In Texas you can show your gun licence id, but not your student id.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/1/26/22248836/how-second-amendment-gun-rights-fall-short-for-african-americans

African Americans face more restrictions in securing gun licenses.
So there are fewer blacks with licenses.
Students are more likely to vote Democrat. They also move often...change colleges, leave campus digs for off campus accomodation and some go home. So it's difficult to prove residence.
Older economically disadvantaged voters don't drive and don't have ids

What's wrong is that Republicans have been actively involved in voter suppression for 50 years.
Why? because this country is becoming less white. And that's a threat to white supremacists.
Republicans are masters of projection. To put it bluntly, they are criminal opportunist grifters benton destroying democracy. And mark my words, they are coming for your social security.

@marke claims
Wow, who knew embalmers studied the internal organs of the bodies they embalm??

Oh, wait, unless the body has already been autopsied, they DON'T!!! According to
https://www.legacy.com/advice/the-embalming-process-how-it-works/

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The Embalming Process: How it Works

Arterial Embalming

Arterial embalming is begun by injecting embalming fluid into an artery while blood is drained via a vein. Typically about two gallons of embalming fluid — consisting of formaldehyde or other chemicals, mixed with water — is needed for arterial embalming. The blood is generally disposed of via the sewer system. This step is complete once all blood has been replaced with embalming fluid.

Cavity Embalming

Cavity embalming follows arterial embalming. This process only takes place when a body was not autopsied. Cavity embalming begins as the embalmer uses a device called a trocar (basically, a hollow tube with a point on one end and a seal on the other) to puncture the stomach, bladder, large intestines, lungs, and other hollow organs. Suction is then used to aspirate out the fluid and gas that has collected in the organs.

The embalmer then pumps embalming fluid into the torso, where it will fill empty spaces including those created by suctioning the fluid and gas from the organs. The embalming fluid used for cavity embalming is stronger than that used for arterial embalming. Ideally, both the aspiration and addition of embalming fluid are done through small punctures in the torso, which can then be sealed with a small plastic cap called a trocar button. The vagina and anus might also be sealed with cotton to prevent fluid leaking.

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Examining the organs and searching for clots? NOT PART OF THE EMBALMING PROCESS!!! They might see a few clots as they replace blood with fluid, but that's in no way a medical survey of clots! If an embalmer is looking at organs, it's because the body was ALREADY AUTOPSIED!! And autopsied bodies are NOT a randomly sampled subset. They are a specially selected subset!! Which means you can't draw conclusions about the general population from a specially selected subset during a pandemic!!!

Now let's talk about death certificates. Death certificates are filed by medical examiners, people with MD degrees who specialize in pathology. They are employed by cities and counties all across the nation. They are highly decentralized. They don't work for the CDC. Congress doesn't pay their paychecks.

So what would it take for thousands of medical examiners, highly trained professionals sworn to the Hippocratic Oath, separately employed by cities and counties all across the nation, to work together to suppress information about "85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs"?? What would it take???

Well, it would take a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy!!! With no leakers and no whistleblowers!!! Honestly, what is the probability of that as compared with the probability of two embalmers stretching the 'truth' a little? I'll reiterate, embalmers who DON'T examine all the organs of every body they come across, who DON'T record statistics of what they see.

Did you know that Covid also causes clots? Yes it does. And since embalmers don't have access to medical histories, how do they know if the clots are associated with vaccine? Did you know that clots often occur post mortem?? How do you connect post-mortem clots with a vaccine? Did the embalmers run a histological analysis on the clots? Of course not!!

Now let's see, what do other embalmers say??

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Abnormal clots were found in COVID-19 victims "long before vaccinations were available," said licensed embalmer Monica Torres, of NXT Generation Mortuary Support in Phoenix, "and it is not uncommon to find dark blood clots in any deceased, not just COVID persons, who have been stored in refrigeration for a long period of time before embalming."

The National Funeral Directors Association, a U.S. professional organization, told PolitiFact that embalmers in its network have noticed similar abnormalities in COVID-related deaths, but among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

"It’s only anecdotal evidence, and there’s no scientific evidence to draw any conclusions," said Jessica Koth, director of public relations for the association.

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In short, others in the funerary industry do NOT support the correlation of abnormal clots with the vaccine - THEY see a correlation with COVID!!!

I'm sorry, I've shot your 'embalmer' argument so full of holes it'll need a closed casket funeral. RIP.

First, there are almost no examples of in-person voter fraud, and when there are, more often than not, it's Republicans doing it. None has ever been found sufficient to sway an election. The theory that "millions of illegal aliens voted" to give Biden the victory is unsubstantiated BS that Republicans are using as an excuse to suppress legitimate voters.

I would, however, support issuing a free national ID card to all citizens, as many other countries do. By "free," I don't just mean not charging for the card, but also not charging people for obtaining their birth certificates or other documentation, including paying them to travel or miss work if they needed time to collect this material. Also, it's not just people who never had ID. This also includes people whose ID has expired. They can use an expired ID to buy alcohol, get a prescription, and even get a job if no one is paying attention, but not to vote.

It's more of who counts the votes - got to get rid of the machines first

@BizSuitStacy You say EVERYTHING hat needs to be said. Period. Those who oppose Ids for voting refuse to address the issue. It DOESN'T matter WHY this is an issue today. Its here and its not going away. The fact that they didn't say " fine, lets recount lets do anything we need to to shut you guys up. We have absolutely nothing to fear, Biden won." instead of saying we had no reason or right to question the election. A good citizen questions the government.

Democrats have voted against certifying elections in recent elections. Why weren't republican senators allowed the same constitutional right ? Would it have worked ? Probably not. But they had the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to their constituents to do exactly that. The validity of our elections should have been questioned a long time ago, but because the 2016 and especially the 2020 election was so passionate and about Trump it is suddenly un-american to question. There no way to know for sure, but I personally don't think jan 6 would have happened the way it did if our senators would have been able to use this constitutional right.

Democrats have spent 6 yrs soon to be 7 doing nothing but trashing President Trump. They impeached him twice, trying to ensure that he never be allowed to serve again.. Where has that gotten them ? More passionate supporters, even a few moderate democrats because their party is nothing but hate now.

My original question IS simply what is the problem with asking all LEGAL citizens have a picture ID to vote ? Free IDs with a mobil unit going anywhere to ensure that it is made available? Unless they want illegals to vote this shouldn't be a problem

The reason this is a problem has been explained to death and is clearly demonstrated.

If you don't understand this at this point, it's on you.

Trump told the same lie three different times and the rubes fell for it every time.
1. Democrats stole the election

2.
In 2016, after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) won the Republican primary in Iowa, Trump accused him of stealing the election.
“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump wrote. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”


3. 2016 .Lied about voter fraud claiming he won the popular vote


I mean how much of a sucker you have to be to fall for the same con three times?…..l

@marke claims

There's a LOT to unpack here. Let's start with
Yeah, EIGHT officials from the Trump admin were convicted of LYING UNDER OATH about their connections with Russia. But you still believe the Trumpsters. LYING doesn't actually matter to you. And - this is important - nobody lied about the vaccine. They reported what the data said at the time. When conditions in the field change, reports and recommendations change. Nobody lied about the vaccine. Dr Birx said in hindsight she should have focused more on reducing hospitalizations and deaths. She never said anyone lied. Hindsight gave her a better PR strategy; nothing more.

Actually, no, we don't know that at all. That's another unsubstantiated right-wing conspiracy theory. Nice try!!

This claim, too, has been debunked. The evidence points to a small DROP in deaths of young athletes.

This article, "FIFA Sudden Death Registry (FIFA-SDR): a prospective, observational study of sudden death in worldwide football from 2014 to 2018"
says 617 FIFA players died of SCD within an hour of playing over a 5 year period = 123 per year (2014-2018).
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/2/80

And this article says about 108 died in 2021 - a reduction in the FIFA death rate after vaccination!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-list-of-108-fifa-soccer-players-is-not-proof-of-a-common-link-between-covid-19-vaccines-and-athlete-deaths-idUSL1N2T81NY

Note: I'm making no statistical claims about the drop in FIFA deaths during the 2021 vaccination year; merely pointing out how wrong the anti-vaxxers got it.

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) is SEVEN TIMES more common after Covid than after vaccine.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/967801
If you're worried about myocarditis, you are FAR safer taking the vaccine.

META studies of myocarditis!
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.951314/full

PS, most vaccine myocarditis cases clear up in 2 or 3 weeks. Covid myocarditis can last 2 to 3 MONTHS
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8890406/

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Initial reports based on magnetic resonance imaging studies showed 78% of patients with myocardial abnormalities and 60% with ongoing myocarditis 2 to 3 months after COVID-19 infection.

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That's a lot of verbiage here, but the takeaway messages are clear.
(1) When CDC recommendations change, it's because DATA and CONDITIONS change. It's not "lying;" it's responding to newer better data.

(2) There's no evidence of higher death rates among young athletes. People making that claim failed to compare with baseline death rates. In short, they cherry-picked.

(3) It's true that overall the vaccines increased rates of myocarditis by a factor of 2. However, Covid infection increased rates of myocarditis by a factor of 15! I'm sorry that the vaccine isn't perfect, but the fact remains - the vaccine is FAR FAR safer than facing Covid unprotected.

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You've also reported claims by a funeral embalmer. This post is long enough, so I'll deal with that in a separate post. I'll just mention here you are comparing reports of a single funeral embalmer vs a nation full of medical examiners with MD degrees and access to patient health histories plus hospital reports. Did you know Covid infection can ALSO cause blood clots??

Don't worry, I'm gonna have fun picking that embalmer's claim apart too!!!

@marke says DEAD WRONG. A quick glance at death counts PROVES how effective the vaccine has been.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

Sources and further details at https://similarworlds.com/disease-illness/vaccines/4268857-Covid-Vaccine-effectiveness-data-from-the-US-2021

Why does my tax money have to go to giving people an id?? That's liberal hogwash.

These people simply do not care to get an id and the Dems want it that way so there can be more fraud.

Every adult should be given an ID and automatically registered to vote. Lost IDs should be easy to replace and good for life. That way, using voter ID for voter suppression will be in the past.

Each state has a voter registration list .

When a ballot is submitted the vote is checked against that list.

If some one has already voted the ballot won’t be accepted and the perpetrator will be charged with fraud like the republicans were in PA,

If the name is not in the registration list the ballot is not accepted.

If you forge someone’s ID and try to vote ,you are risking that the person on the list never voted because if they did you would be charged with fraud,

Not one thing is wrong with it!!!

I've got NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

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Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.

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https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

@marke cites https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/new-study-confirms-voter-id-laws-dont-hurt-election-turnout

To which I respond

Then @marke says

I'm stating the conclusions of the study YOU cited. Now you want to cherry-pick and accept one conclusion but pretend the other conclusion is not valid.

What I believe is the study was to small, narrow, restricted, whatever to establish anything. I believe the study is useless.

Which leads me to return my attention to a non-useless study - the non-partisan GAO study mentioned here:
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

Dude, you are BADLY misstating my position here. If the reduction in turnout were equal in all demographics, fine. The problem is the elderly and the working poor are much more strongly affected by restrictive voter ID laws. As I stated elsewhere:

I've got NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

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Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.

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https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

We should ask. Hell I need an id to pick up tickets at a game or concert

This ISN't about the 2020 election....The qustion is simple

Does anyone have problem with picture ID's to vote? If so why?

Need an ID to fly, but not to vote....

Ask the Republican politician who was asked to show ID. The guy claimed it was against his religion to have ID cards with a photograph (except his attention whoring "I'm special because I have this elected official ID", of course) and had the poll worker fired for daring to ask him to follow the rules that he championed.

Get back to me.

Liberals can only win by cheating, is their entire ideology to begin with.

Its either ignorance or compliance, that things have become so skewered, not faithful!

you can register to vote through DMV in California, not sure about other states, why not get a picture ID at the same time....

we need government photo ID to VOTE !

@windinhishair

I'm not buying the vaccine sales pitch because of what I know from facts the left seems intent on refusing to see.

It's almost like you think voter fraud is a real thing.

EXACTLY. common sense. but the other side doesn't want it. you can figure out why

Look at the ignorant fools on this post. They are the problem!

It prevents socialists from cheating… so it’s bad

Not one thing and the only reason the left is so adamant that they don’t have to show ID is simple.. they want to cheat! Yes. And I don’t care what excuse they give….

No matter where I lived I had to show an ID to vote.

I should be able to get a bank loan with no ID..

They trust us so much

Just look at all the sycophantic jackass losers, on this post!

Still spreading the lies, suffering, and death!

Real life Demons!

They have no clue, and still support their Cult!

There is no guarantee that a Democracy will survive forever. Perhaps we are living in the 'death rattle' of it now. I don't see any quick, overnight, solutions to all the problems that we are having now.