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Voter Fraud

What is " wrong " with asking everyone to provide a picture ID to vote ? We are a smart nation I'm certain that we can come up with a mobil ID machine. There are codes that can be used to identify what kind of ID it is. Only a picture, or driving, an immigrant not yet a citizen but in this country legal, public assistance only ect...

In order to be done without accusing one party of cheating, sadly theres going to have to be a representative from both parties be present when the picture are taken and signed off on. Thats just the way it is now, no use in complaining. I know that there are enough people on both sides who want to volunteer to help with elections that are willing to represent their party. To oppose some type of a solution only makes it look like you want non citizens to vote.

I know that there are poor people without assistance or home bound where the mobil ID can go to their homes. There are county buses who take people to Drs appointments even disabled people. There can be county buses that can take them for other assistance.. Has anyone without an ID ever been to a Drs appointment, grocery store, bought alcohol, cigarettes or gotten a controlled prescription ? If yes, then it means that getting an ID is possible. Yes it will cost states and counties more money but I personally have NO PROBLEM having my tax money going for something like this. ANYTHING to shut the f××× fighting the hell up.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@marke says: [quote]Recent evidence has proven voter IDs do not inhibit voter turnout.[/quote]

I eagerly await your posting of this evidence!! In the meantime, the evidence says that current ID requirements DO reduce voter turnout by 2 to 3%. Like I said, I'm very interested in your counter-evidence.

[quote]Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state. [/quote]
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

Also see: "A disproportionate burden: strict voter identification laws and minority turnout"
[b]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21565503.2020.1773280[/b]

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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Wow, you actually figured out that by requiring voter id's reduces the illegal voting! Congratulations, you are learning.....slowly, but you are learning

missyann · 56-60

@sunsporter1649 Exactly. ElwoodBlues statement proves that illegals are voting and those who claim voting right are important, just not important enough to go get an ID.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sunsporter1649 @missyann
Obviously neither of you read the linked research, or you couldn't have come to such false conclusions, LOL!!!

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues
[quote]I eagerly await your posting of this evidence!! In the meantime, the evidence says that current ID requirements DO reduce voter turnout by 2 to 3%. Like I said, I'm very interested in your counter-evidence[/quote]

Democrats keep claiming voting securities inhibit the black vote. Is that why they don't want elections guarded against fraud? Because securities against fraud inhibit the black vote? What measures would they suggest to inhibit voter fraud? None, because without voter fraud the democrats would lose power all across the nation.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke So, you've got no evidence, just conspiracy theories??

The alleged "recent evidence" doesn't exist?? SAD!!!

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@marke

penguinswon · M

@marke Old white man terrified that people of color will soon be the majority. Good luck trying to supess them

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@penguinswon Enjoy your new neighbors.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues
[quote]I eagerly await your posting of this evidence!! In the meantime, the evidence says that current ID requirements DO reduce voter turnout by 2 to 3%. Like I said, I'm very interested in your counter-evidence.[/quote]

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/new-study-confirms-voter-id-laws-dont-hurt-election-turnout

[b]New Study Confirms Voter ID Laws Don’t Hurt Election Turnout
Feb 27, 2019 4 min read

Hans A. von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky
Election Law Reform Initiative Manager, Senior Legal Fellow

Caleb Morrison
Spring 2019 member of the Young Leaders Program at The Heritage Foundation
This latest research confirms that states are justified in enacting voter ID laws to protect their electoral integrity

Voter ID laws don’t “suppress” anyone’s vote.
Among a variety of minority groups and political affiliations, no significant change in turnout occurred after voter ID laws went into effect.
The reality is, election fraud often goes undetected; even when it is discovered, investigators and prosecutors often opt to take no action.

Less than one week after Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams made inflammatory claims in her State of the Union response about an epidemic of “voter suppression” jeopardizing the character of our nation, the National Bureau of Economic Research released a study that demonstrates once again that voter ID laws have no measurable impact on voting behavior.

In other words, voter ID laws don’t “suppress” anyone’s vote.
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marke · 70-79, M

@penguinswon [quote] Old white man terrified that people of color will soon be the majority. Good luck trying to supess them
[/quote]
White and black racists are scared of things that don't matter, like skin color. Christians fear God and respect all civilized human beings regardless of skin color.

marke · 70-79, M

@sunsporter1649[quote] Enjoy your new neighbors.[/quote]

Was this guy one of those kicked off Martha's Vineyard for being the wrong race?

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@marke

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Interesting study. They found no "statistically significant drop" in turnout between 2008 & 2016.

They ALSO found voter ID laws had "no significant effect" on deterring voter fraud!!!

Let that sink in! The same study that found no effect on turnout also found no effect on voter fraud!! They found NOTHING AT ALL!!! If you want to believe that study, it says voter ID laws are USELESS!!!

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Everybody votes....14 year old's, illegal aliens, convicted murderers, child molesters, drug dealers, dead civil war veterans.....everybody! Ain't it grand!

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]Interesting study. They found no "statistically significant drop" in turnout between 2008 & 2016.

They ALSO found voter ID laws had "no significant effect" on deterring voter fraud!!!

Let that sink in! The same study that found no effect on turnout also found no effect on voter fraud!! They found NOTHING AT ALL!!! If you want to believe that study, it says voter ID laws are USELESS!!!

[/quote]

Democrats resist voting securities and then claim dishonest crooked democrats do not commit voter fraud. Democrats who commit election fraud lie and those who fight against voting securities know that for a fact.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke [b]Your study[/b] found no drop in turnout AND no change in voter fraud. According to [b]your study,[/b] voter ID does nothing whatsoever.
[b][big] ROTFL!!![/big][/b]

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Your study found no drop in turnout AND no change in voter fraud. According to your study, voter ID does nothing whatsoever.
ROTFL!!!

You will just have to believe what you will. Even so, making elections vulnerable to fraud on the basis of turnout is stupid.

ElwoodBlues · M

I believe this study is too narrow or data limited to draw any useful conclusions from. Key phrase: "statistically significant." If you don't have enough data, you can't establish statistical significance. These folks didn't study enough data to draw any useful conclusions about anything!!!

Ryderbike

@marke Trump told the same lie three different times and the rubes fell for it every time.
1. Democrats stole the election

2.
In 2016, after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) won the Republican primary in Iowa, Trump accused him of stealing the election.
“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump wrote. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

3. 2016 .Lied about voter fraud claiming he won the popular vote

I mean how much of a sucker you have to be to fall for the same con three times?

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues
[quote]I believe this study is too narrow or data limited to draw any useful conclusions from. Key phrase: "statistically significant." If you don't have enough data, you can't establish statistical significance. These folks didn't study enough data to draw any useful conclusions about anything!!!
[/quote]

What affects turnout should take a far back seat to what affects voting securities that prevent illegal voting.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke American citizens 18 and up have a RIGHT TO VOTE.
Full stop. It's in the Constitution.

Anything that interferes with a citizen's right to vote is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That's why SCOTUS got rid of the poll tax and other limitations on voting rights.

It is quite possible to issue free voter IDs to all legal voters without making them jump thru hoops. All that jumping thru hoops that you cons try to impose amounts to an illegal poll tax.

I've got NO PROBLEM with the theory of voter ID, as long as it's free and easy. I DO have a problem with the practice of making it differentially harder for the elderly & working poor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

"Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state." https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

marke · 70-79, M

@Ryderbike[quote] I mean how much of a sucker you have to be to fall for the same con three times?
[/quote]

Voting integrity and security do not depend on what Trump thinks or doesn't think. We should not dumb down our schools and make all kids suffer just to keep from making poor achievers feel better somehow about themselves, and neither should we trash voting securities so some people will have a much easier time getting to the polls, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Ryderbike

@marke The goal of your fascist movement is to undermine the integrity of the election system. Undermined law-enforcement, undermined all aspects of government. Do you think what you’re doing is something that is new? This attack on the institutions has been done by many authoritarians and fascists before you

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@Ryderbike Straight from your playbook.

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@marke [quote]so some people will have a much easier time getting to the polls, whatever that is supposed to mean.[/quote]
It means, [i][c=800000]Sparky[/c][/i], that there are people who literally cannot get to the polls. Because gerrymandering is a thing, and they have to travel way out of their way to get to the polling places. And should they overcome that challenge, there are douchebags in red hats and bulletproof vests waiting to intimidate them out of dropping their ballots in the box. And then there are those of us who are immunocompromised, and don't want to deal with the crowds of people who may or may not have coronavirus, breathing all over us while we try to vote.

But hey. None of that affects you, so who gives a fuck, right?

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