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Voter Fraud

What is " wrong " with asking everyone to provide a picture ID to vote ? We are a smart nation I'm certain that we can come up with a mobil ID machine. There are codes that can be used to identify what kind of ID it is. Only a picture, or driving, an immigrant not yet a citizen but in this country legal, public assistance only ect...

In order to be done without accusing one party of cheating, sadly theres going to have to be a representative from both parties be present when the picture are taken and signed off on. Thats just the way it is now, no use in complaining. I know that there are enough people on both sides who want to volunteer to help with elections that are willing to represent their party. To oppose some type of a solution only makes it look like you want non citizens to vote.

I know that there are poor people without assistance or home bound where the mobil ID can go to their homes. There are county buses who take people to Drs appointments even disabled people. There can be county buses that can take them for other assistance.. Has anyone without an ID ever been to a Drs appointment, grocery store, bought alcohol, cigarettes or gotten a controlled prescription ? If yes, then it means that getting an ID is possible. Yes it will cost states and counties more money but I personally have NO PROBLEM having my tax money going for something like this. ANYTHING to shut the f××× fighting the hell up.
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scrood · 31-35
It's more of who counts the votes - got to get rid of the machines first
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@scrood The machines are safe and do a much more accurate job of counting votes than people counting by hand. As long as you have a paper record so you can go back and count by hand in the rare event that it is needed, that is enough to ensure vote integrity.
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair [quote]The machines are safe and do a much more accurate job of counting votes than people counting by hand. As long as you have a paper record so you can go back and count by hand in the rare event that it is needed, that is enough to ensure vote integrity.
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Voting machines that have been programmed, controlled, and then hidden from investigations are not safe and neither is the US of America as long as democrats keep getting away with voting machine fraud.

[b]BREAKING: Forensic Audit of Dominion Voting Machines PROVE Massive Fraud - The Patriot Watchdog

BREAKING: Forensic Audit of Dominion Voting Machines PROVE Massive Fraud
(Big League Politics) – The release of a forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems software in Antrim County, Mich. has shown that it is “intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.”

A Michigan judge ordered the release of the audit to the public on Monday after initially complying with the state’s request to seal the information. The findings are damning for fraud deniers who have tried to prevent an investigation into hundreds of credible allegations of irregularities on election day.
“We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results,” the forensic report reads.
“The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%). We observed an error rate of 68.05%. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity,” it continues.

The forensic audit was performed by Russell James Ramsland, Jr. of Allied Security Operations Group. The report notes that “because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan.”
Other excerpts from the report can be seen here:

BREAKING: Dominion Voting Systems forensic report:
"We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results."@EpochTimes
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke You're still focusing on Antrim County? That was a human error that was immediately corrected and did not impact the election. The voting machines worked fine. This is a good example of where you would want to do a hand count in an election to verify results.

Voting machines are not programmed, controlled, and hidden. You really need to find other sources of information. Yours are nothing but false conspiracy theories.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@windinhishair Dude sure loves his Epoch Times.
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair I have dozens if not more than a hundred, detailed exposures of democrat voter fraud.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke Do you have anything from this century, or are you reaching back to Victorian times?
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair[quote] Do you have anything from this century, or are you reaching back to Victorian times?[/quote]

Remember this?

https://clashdaily.com/2012/08/byron-york-how-al-franken-stole-the-election-with-the-help-of-1099-felons-vote/

[b] Clash Daily
Byron York: How Al Franken Stole The Election With The Help of 1,099 Felons’ Vote
Published on August 9, 2012
In the ’08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman’s lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.[/b]
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke Your bogus sources are showing an even higher bogosity index than usual. There was no fraud in the 2008 election other than an inconsequential vote here and there--certainly not enough to change the election results.

cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/reality-check-is-the-election-rigged/
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair[quote] Your bogus sources are showing an even higher bogosity index than usual. There was no fraud in the 2008 election other than an inconsequential vote here and there--certainly not enough to change the election results.

cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/reality-check-is-the-election-rigged/[/quote]

You wish.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke No fraud on the order of what you claimed occurred in 2008. There were no successful lawsuits, no actual evidence provided. The gullible and willfully ignorant on the right continue to believe in fairy tales.
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair [quote]No fraud on the order of what you claimed occurred in 2008. There were no successful lawsuits, no actual evidence provided. The gullible and willfully ignorant on the right continue to believe in fairy tales.
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And yet B. Obama's former black racist community voter fraud organization ACORN had to shut down for widespread election fraud activities. Go figger.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke ACORN didn't change any votes or impact any elections. Get used to the fact that A BLACK MAN won the presidency on his merits twice and it wasn't even close.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@marke No, they had to shut down because lies about them committing fraud got enough traction to have their funding ended.
marke · 70-79, M
@OggggO [quote]No, they had to shut down because lies about them committing fraud got enough traction to have their funding ended.
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That is not true but millions of democrats fully believe that spin.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@marke You'd better tell that to the people who performed legal investigations of them.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101112143648/http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/01/calif-ag-determines-acorn-broke-criminal-laws/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2010/03/damaging_brooklyn_acorn_sting.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20100908055244/http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf
marke · 70-79, M
@OggggO[quote] You'd better tell that to the people who performed legal investigations of them.[/quote]

James O'Keefe exposed some crooks in ACORN and the democrats went wild with rage. One thing democrats despise more than just about any other thing is being exposed for who they really are, what they really stand for, and how they really go about achieving their greedy and corrupt goals.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke ACORN did not change any votes or impact any elections. I'm not sure why you have referenced them here, other than your hatred of others. Does your God love people who hate others so much? Is that part of your religion?
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair[quote] ACORN did not change any votes or impact any elections. I'm not sure why you have referenced them here, other than your hatred of others. Does your God love people who hate others so much? Is that part of your religion?
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ACORN workers were signing up cartoon characters, dead movie stars, fast food restaurants, and all sorts of other fake voters. Why? For the same reason democrats "fight like hell" to prevent precincts from purging voter rolls in accordance with federal voting laws. Crooked democrat election officials with a voter registry with 100 thousand legitimate democrat voters and 200,000 illegitimate democrat voters, for example, can stuff the democrat vote with 100,000 illegitimate ballots, and the fact that such a number only represents a supposedly 75% turnout will not raise any red flags. Democrats are not stupid, just crooked. Those who believe democrats are honest and would not commit fraud are stupid.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke ACORN did not change any votes or impact any elections. There is no evidence that they did. If you have evidence of impacted elections, you should make that known to elected officials. But remember, just saying it doesn't make it true, nor does clicking your heels three times and repeating "ACORN changed elections, ACORN changed elections." You have to have proof, not a right-wing wind tunnel website or a youtube video from some Mom's basement.
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair [quote]ACORN did not change any votes or impact any elections. There is no evidence that they did. If you have evidence of impacted elections, you should make that known to elected officials. But remember, just saying it doesn't make it true, nor does clicking your heels three times and repeating "ACORN changed elections, ACORN changed elections." You have to have proof, not a right-wing wind tunnel website or a youtube video from some Mom's basement.
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ACORN stuffed voter rolls full of illegitimate voters the democrats used to hide the extent of their ballot stuffing from the public. Democrats did not use the McDonald's restaurant voter registered by an ACORN worker, democrats simply added anonymous ballots with fake names nobody would ever try to verify, and the numbers of democrats registered, both real and fake, hid the fact that thousands or tens of thousands of fake ballots were cast illegitimately.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke Do you have evidence fraudulent votes were cast? When the state looked into it, they didn't find anything unusual or significant. If your personal investigation was better and more thorough than the state's and found proof of voter fraud, you should pass that along to election officials and law enforcement for action. But they are going to want more than an outdated youtube video as proof.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@marke I see you can't be bothered to read even a headline, let alone an actual article.
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair[quote] The machines are safe and do a much more accurate job of counting votes than people counting by hand. As long as you have a paper record so you can go back and count by hand in the rare event that it is needed, that is enough to ensure vote integrity.[/quote]

Voting machines are not as safe as people might think.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/experts-false-claims-voting-machines-obscure-real-flaws-79443908

[b]The fact remains that voting machines can be corrupted in ways that cannot be detected, especially if the crooks who corrupted the machines successfully prevent honest investigators from examining them.

While Halderman says he has tested various methods of hacking that he says are generally undetectable, Gilbert wrote, “I am not aware that Dr. Halderman has provided equipment marred by ‘un-detectable’ hacks to any other independent researcher to test his theory that it is, in fact, un-detectable and not correctable.”

Halderman countered in a declaration filed with the court that the declaration from Gilbert doesn't dispute the existence of the vulnerabilities he detailed or the steps that could be taken to alter individual votes and election outcomes. Nothing in Gilbert's declaration indicates that state officials understand how serious the problems are or have taken any steps to address them, Halderman wrote.

He argued that state election officials “urgently need to engage with the findings in my report and address the vulnerabilities it describes before attackers exploit them.”
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@marke That's why ballots in the states in question in 2020 were checked by hand counts , which showed the machine counts were accurate. That's right, they [b]FOUND NO VOTER FRAUD. NONE. NADA. ZILCH.[/b]
marke · 70-79, M
@windinhishair [quote]Your bogus sources are showing an even higher bogosity index than usual. There was no fraud in the 2008 election other than an inconsequential vote here and there--certainly not enough to change the election results.
cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/reality-check-is-the-election-rigged/
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You claim there was no fraud in spite of the evidence to the contrary.