Voter Fraud

@ElwoodBlues[quote] In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.[/quote]

Unfortunately for the unsuspecting victims of the untested vaccine, it has proven to be much more deadly to many than anyone had imagined.

@marke says [quote] it has proven to be much more deadly to many than anyone had imagined.[/quote]
A bold claim. Have you got any evidence??

[quote]the untested vaccine[/quote]
Actually, the vaccines were tested in both animals and humans. There were about 30,000 test subjects enrolled in the Moderna trials, and about 45,000 in the Pfizer trials. Here, you can read the refereed journal articles:

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"Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389
Conclusions
The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease. Aside from transient local and systemic reactions, no safety concerns were identified. (Funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases; COVE ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04470427.)

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Conclusions
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728.)
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Moderna animal trials
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671

Pfizer animal trials
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y

@marke says [quote] it has proven to be much more deadly to many than anyone had imagined.[/quote]
I'm STILL waiting for any evidence whatsoever to substantiate that bold claim.

@ElwoodBlues [quote]DEAD WRONG. A quick glance at death counts PROVES how effective the vaccine has been.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.[/quote]

Vaccinated individuals are experiencing a greater overall rate of dying from other diseases or illnesses than non-vaccinated individuals.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/317091

[b]FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated
FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group. Report emphasizes that "None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination."
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@marke Actually no. There are two errors there.

(1) You, and the expose-news folks forgot to divide by the percent who are vaccinated. Comparing raw numbers doesn't give you the rate. Over 95% of people in the UK are vaccinated. You got fooled by slight-of-hand with the numbers. I'm glad to untangle it for you.

(2) The data from expose-news doesn't cover the alpha and delta waves, which were the most deadly. It only covers the current omicron wave, and omicron has evolved to escape much of the protection of the original vaccine.

All the statements made about the vaccine during the alpha and delta waves were true at the time. We are dealing with a new disease now, and a new population with partial immunity.

[big]AND there is an additional error belonging to you alone.[/big]

I asked for evidence the vaccine was deadly. You gave evidence that vaccinated people are dying of Covid. You DIDN'T give any evidence that the vaccine is causing any deaths.

Your claim:
[quote]it has proven to be much more deadly to many than anyone had imagined.[/quote]
Your data does NOT identify a SINGLE death due to the vaccine.

[b][big][c=BF0000]EPIC FAIL[/c][/big][/b]

@ElwoodBlues[quote] A bold claim. Have you got any evidence??
Actually, the vaccines were tested in both animals and humans. There were about 30,000 test subjects enrolled in the Moderna trials, and about 45,000 in the Pfizer trials. Here, you can read the refereed journal articles:[/quote]

The vaccines were not tested as thoroughly as some might think.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizer-exec-concedes-covid-19-vaccine-was-never-tested-on-preventing-transmission_4788577.html?utm_source=Goodevening&src_src=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2022-10-11&src_cmp=gv-2022-10-11&utm_medium=email&est=%2FPwxclmbT2u8afCDBZwYNzEjjUzwcqhlOOPUq2aGTx4RwkIJPar43X%2F%2Bd4Cajl4%2Bzeo%3D

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A Pfizer executive said Monday that neither she nor other Pfizer officials knew whether its COVID-19 vaccine would stop transmission before entering the market last year.

Member of the European Parliament, Rob Roos, asked during a session: “Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market? Did we know about stopping immunization before it entered the market?”

Pfizer’s Janine Small, president of international developed markets, said in response: “No … You know, we had to … really move at the speed of science to know what is taking place in the market.”

Roos, of the Netherlands, argued in a Twitter video Monday that following Small’s comments to him, millions of people around the world were duped by pharmaceutical companies and governments.

“Millions of people worldwide felt forced to get vaccinated because of the myth that ‘you do it for others,'” Roos said. “Now, this turned out to be a cheap lie” and “should be exposed,” he added.[/b]

@marke says [quote]The vaccines were not tested as thoroughly as some might think.[/quote] Why should I care what silly people think??

The mRNA vaccines, according to tests involving 30,000 + 45,000 subjects, prevented infection by the original wildtype Covid virus in 95% of cases. No infection == no transmission.

BUT, once the vaccines had been deployed they DID look for transmission. And they found the vaccines greatly reduced transmission!
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

BTW, look back in history. Was measles vaccine tested for preventing transmission? No. Mumps? Rubella? No and no. Polio? No. Preventing infection is the goal, so that's what they test for.

Nice straw man though!!!

@marke Billions and billions of vaccines have been delivered, with few side effects. The vaccines have been proven to be both safe and effective, and have saved millions of lives globally.

@windinhishair [quote] Billions and billions of vaccines have been delivered, with few side effects. The vaccines have been proven to be both safe and effective, and have saved millions of lives globally.[/quote]

Medicines always carry warnings about dangerous side effects. Modern politicians and talking heads who do not publicly acknowledge that thousands have been injured or killed by the side effects of covid vaccines are doing the public a great disservice.

@marke [quote] that thousands have been injured or killed [/quote]
You keep making this outlandish claim, and you keep silent about any evidence whatsoever that would support it.

Your SINGLE attempt to find evidence regarding vaccine harms or deaths turned out to be about COVID deaths and didn't identify a SINGLE vaccine death!!!

Repeating a claim that's been debunked, a claim you can't substantiate; is that tantamount to lying? You are a cornucopia of false right-wing myths!

We know now that you can't substantiate that claim; so why keep making it? Are you trying to destroy your own credibility???

@ElwoodBlues [quote]You keep making this outlandish claim, and you keep silent about any evidence whatsoever that would support it.

Your SINGLE attempt to find evidence regarding vaccine harms or deaths turned out to be about COVID deaths and didn't identify a SINGLE vaccine death!!!

Repeating a claim that's been debunked, a claim you can't substantiate; is that tantamount to lying? You are a cornucopia of false right-wing myths!

We know now that you can't substantiate that claim; so why keep making it? Are you trying to destroy your own credibility???
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We know officials have lied about the vaccine. We know pressure has been put on media outlets to shut down unfavorable reports about covid vaccines. And yet we are seeing such an alarming increase in the deaths of young athletes and medical professionals linked to sudden onsets of myocarditis and other vaccine-related side effects that we should ignore the popular hype and dig deeper into what is really happening that may not be given fair audience in the public media.

This is worth raising alarms and advocating for further investigations:

Funeral Embalmer: 85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs (exposingtheirlies.com)

[b]Funeral Embalmer: 85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs

by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

Some of the strongest evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines have caused crippling injuries and huge numbers of deaths in the vaccinated population have come from funeral home directors who have reported huge spikes in deaths in their business that correlate with the roll-out of the COVID-19 vaccines and mandates.

There is strong social and financial pressure against these professionals to go public, but a few have stood firm against this pressure, knowing that these truths must be brought to the attention of the public in an effort to save lives, no matter what the personal cost may be to themselves or their careers.

Two of these funeral directors have been featured in the Alternative Media this year, and they are John O’Looney from the UK, and Richard Hirschman from Alabama in the U.S. Both men have confirmed that other funeral directors in their profession are seeing the same things they are seeing, but are too afraid to go public.

Besides reporting on the huge increase in deaths they have been seeing since the roll-out of the COVID-19 vaccines, the embalmers have been reporting what they are finding inside the veins and arteries of these dead bodies: huge “blood clots” that do not resemble traditional blood clots at all, but are long fibrous entities that can completely block a vein or artery.

Richard Hirschman, who has been a licensed embalmer for over 21 years and has embalmed thousands of bodies, said in a recent interview with the RAIR Foundation that while he was accustomed to seeing blood clots in 5 to 10% of the bodies he embalmed, that now he is seeing almost 85% of the bodies he is embalming have blood clots, which started after the roll-out of the COVID-19 vaccines, and that these “blood clots” are nothing like he has ever seen before.

Mike Adams of Natural News, who among his many talents is a forensic food scientist, in 2016 did something that to my knowledge no one else in the world has done, and that was to earn the highest standard of international laboratory accreditation for his forensic food lab, ISO 17025, as a completely independent scientist with no ties to the government or any other institution, allowing him to test and investigate whatever he wanted to.

He invested millions of dollars of his own money into the equipment of this laboratory, and is completely independent of outside funding sources, allowing him to truly “follow the science” without worrying about satisfying outside investors or government agencies.

Richard Hirschman then proceeded to send him some samples of these “blood clots,” and Adams performed laboratory testing on them and compared them to “normal” blood clots.

Adams actually did an analysis of these strange “blood clots” live on the Alex Jones show back in June, and then also revealed what his analysis found in a more recent appearance on the Infowars network.

What he discovered is truly amazing, and I have put together a video (below) that features the testimony of Richard Hirschman, and the work of Mike Adams, including his live demonstration on the Alex Jones show, and this is one video you are most certainly going to want to watch.

It starts with a brief testimony from John O’Looney who shows a jar containing one of these huge “blood clots” that was taken from the aorta of a person who died, and then has a brief overview of what is covered in the rest of the video from Dan Skorbach of Frontline Health, an Epoch Times TV program, and then excerpts from the recent Richard Hirschman interview which contains some incredible photos and even video clips, followed by the work of Mike Adams and his laboratory analysis, including his live demonstration on the Alex Jones show.

At the end of the video, you will hear an ominous warning from Mike Adams about the immediate future and potential devastating effects these “blood clots” are going to have on the vaccinated, and then also a short clip from a recent interview with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who as a researcher and doctor comes to the same conclusion as Adams, and issues a serious warning about what is coming next among those who took the COVID-19 vaccines.


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@marke Please provide the peer-reviewed study showing blood clots globally, or even nationally, in 85% of new deaths. Then provide the peer-reviewed study showing that the blood clots found in 85% of new deaths were directly caused by the covid vaccine. And after you have done so, then explain this: If fewer than 85% of people have been vaccinated, and yet 85% of people dying have these unique blood clots, how is the vaccine causing blood clots in people who have never taken the vaccine?

You do know that repeating unsupported claims by random internet people doesn't make their claims facts, right?

@windinhishair [quote]Please provide the peer-reviewed study showing blood clots globally, or even nationally, in 85% of new deaths. Then provide the peer-reviewed study showing that the blood clots found in 85% of new deaths were directly caused by the covid vaccine. And after you have done so, then explain this: If fewer than 85% of people have been vaccinated, and yet 85% of people dying have these unique blood clots, how is the vaccine causing blood clots in people who have never taken the vaccine?[/quote]

I'm not taking the vaccine and I recommend others refuse to take it also until we can get the answers we deserve about the seriousness of its apparent side effects.

@marke [quote]until we can get the answers we deserve about the seriousness of its apparent side effects.[/quote]
Lucky for you, the CDC publishes on that very topic!!
Moderna: [b]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/moderna/reactogenicity.html[/b]
Pfizer: [b]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html[/b]
Page last reviewed June 21, 2022

It's broken down by age group and within each age group, by local, systemic, and serious adverse events. There is a LOT of data to digest there!!

They describe MANY side effects: redness, swelling, pain at injection site, mild fatigue, headache, chills, joint pain, etc etc etc. Needless to say, the side effects are MINOR in almost every case.

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CDC summarizes all the side effect data [b]here:[/b]
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

It's still a lot of data to digest, and it's loaded with links to more data. But if you want answers to your questions about side effects, CDC has been patiently gathering ALL the data and statistics since the first injection.

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And now you're probably gonna post some horror stories from VAERS.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html
[quote]Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
What is VAERS
... VAERS is not designed to detect if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it can identify unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems requiring a closer look.[/quote]

Anybody can enter anything they like into VAERS. There are no checks or verifications whatsoever. And they do.

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n 2004, anesthesiologist James Laidler submitted an alarming report to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Laidler wrote that after he got his annual influenza vaccine, his muscles began to grow in size, his skin became green, and he turned into the Incredible Hulk.

Laidler’s intent was not to notify government officials of a dangerous side effect, but to show the need for caution when interpreting the data found in VAERS, the national vaccine safety surveillance program run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
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Yeah, This guy told VAERS that his flu vaccine turned him into the INCREDIBLE HULK!!! and VAERS kept the report, even though they knew it was false, because that's what they do. Eventually a doctor from VAERS called Laidler and gently suggested the INCREDIBLE HULK had proved its point and was now counterproductive.

Long story short, people have been filling VAERS with garbage to the point that you can't draw any conclusions from it. It's a shame, really.

@marke We already know the side effects based on billions of vaccinations worldwide over years, but you go ahead and rely on random internet basement videos. The more natural selection by covid continues to weed out the deniers, the better off the rest of us will be.

@ElwoodBlues[quote] Lucky for you, the CDC publishes on that very topic!!
Moderna: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/moderna/reactogenicity.html
Pfizer: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html
Page last reviewed June 21, 2022[/quote]

This report is presented by Phiser but fails to detail how the data was obtained, what were the research procedures and parameters, and what was the date of this report. Furthermore, this raw data does not address the thousands of data details coming in from all over the world. And even more, Phizer still refuses to release key facts about its research leading up to the vaccine approva. Why? Because they are not willing to be honest and open about what they found, apparently because they do not want certain unflattering details exposed.


FDA says it won't release all Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data until the year 2096 - COSAction (conventionofstates.com)

[b]FDA says it won't release all Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine data until the year 2096
Published in Blog on December 09, 2021 by Article V Patriot

The federal government, under President Joe Biden, is trying to mandate that millions of Americans take the COVID-19 vaccine. Under President Trump, the feds sent billions of taxpayer dollars to pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, and Americans are unable to sue these companies for liability.

In other words, the American people helped pay for Pfizer's vaccine, and they'll have no recourse if the vaccine turns out to be dangerous or ineffective months and years down the road.
And yet, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is refusing to release the data they used to give the vaccine full approval.

In a shocking new report from the Epoch Times, the FDA is claiming they need 75 years to process a Freedom of Information Act request from a group seeking all the underlying data the agency used to make its decision.
The FDA claims they need that much time to redact the tens of thousands of pages being requested. However, they only needed 108 days to review this data before granting emergency use authorization to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Officials at the FDA know they can stall for as long as they want, and it won't affect their funding. Congress will never vote to cut spending even in the face of gross mismanagement and incompetence.
We the People have a right to know how bureaucracies like the FDA make their decisions, especially when it relates to something as important as COVID and vaccine mandates.

That's why millions have joined the Convention of States Project to slash the budgets of bureaucracies that fail to adhere to the will of the American people.

An Article V Convention of States is called and controlled by the states and has the power to propose constitutional amendments that limit the power, scope, and jurisdiction of the federal government -- including agencies like the FDA.

These amendments can also force Congress to be fiscally responsible, cut the budgets of the Deep State, and get our nation's finances back on track.
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@windinhishair[quote] We already know the side effects based on billions of vaccinations worldwide over years, but you go ahead and rely on random internet basement videos. The more natural selection by covid continues to weed out the deniers, the better off the rest of us will be.
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I know government officials lied about covid and the vaccine. I also know that government-approved publications have not refuted claims coming from all over the world that morons like Fauci tell people not to believe.

@marke There is no evidence of significant side effects from either the Pfizer (not Phiser or Phizer) and Moderna vaccines, despite billions of vaccinations. And anti-vaxxers and other deniers continue to die at rates that ARE significantly higher than those who have used science for their decisionmaking and gotten one or the other vaccine. If claims of major adverse side effects are true, there would be actual evidence of it, not idle speculation and misinformation from right-wing reactionary websites.

@windinhishair[quote] There is no evidence of significant side effects from either the Pfizer (not Phiser or Phizer) and Moderna vaccines, despite billions of vaccinations. And anti-vaxxers and other deniers continue to die at rates that ARE significantly higher than those who have used science for their decisionmaking and gotten one or the other vaccine. If claims of major adverse side effects are true, there would be actual evidence of it, not idle speculation and misinformation from right-wing reactionary websites.[/quote]

You have clearly not read the reports I have had the privilege of reading.

@marke I choose not to chase after clear disinformation from uneducated sources. You do. And you consider it a privilege to do so.

@marke [quote]This report is presented by Phiser but fails to detail how the data was obtained, what were the research procedures and parameters, and what was the date of this report. [/quote]

Wait, aren't you the guy who was assuring us these vaccines were [b]UNTESTED???[/b]

The CDC page has links to data sources; mostly publications in refereed journals. Those publications may have further links to raw data, testing sites, etc.

The CDC requires phase 3 testing of all new drugs, and phase 3 includes very rigorous testing protocols. Chief among them is double blind placebo controlled. A drug company will hire independent outside core labs to conduct testing. They in turn will hire MDs and advertise for subject to enroll. Eventually the drug company will distribute identical looking drugs and placebos. These get randomized such that nobody knows who is getting placebo and who is getting the drug under test.

That's the double blind. The core labs don't know, the administering physicians don't know, the drug company doesn't know. Medical measurements are taken and recorded thru the course of the study. At the end, the drug co tells the core lab which was which; the core lab tells the physicians compiles the stats the physicians have recorded. It's very decentralized.

I can't tell you the specifics for these particular phase 3 studies, but the rigor has been there for along time; ever since an FDA regulator named Frances Kelsey found a company doing an unregulated clinical trial of a drug called thalidomide on American citizens.

Oh, one other point about phase 3 trials: up until recently something like two thirds of drugs failed in phase three.

Trump's "op warp speed" actually funded five different vaccines; only J&J and Moderna survived phase 3. I think Merck hadtwo viral vector vaccines that failed phase 3; I don't remember the 5th. If you're wondering about Pfizer, they received no op warp speed money in the US, but I think they got something similar in Germany.

@ElwoodBlues Trump tried to take credit for the Pfizer vaccine, and the CEO had to issue a press release correcting Trump's lie.