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Voter Fraud

What is " wrong " with asking everyone to provide a picture ID to vote ? We are a smart nation I'm certain that we can come up with a mobil ID machine. There are codes that can be used to identify what kind of ID it is. Only a picture, or driving, an immigrant not yet a citizen but in this country legal, public assistance only ect...

In order to be done without accusing one party of cheating, sadly theres going to have to be a representative from both parties be present when the picture are taken and signed off on. Thats just the way it is now, no use in complaining. I know that there are enough people on both sides who want to volunteer to help with elections that are willing to represent their party. To oppose some type of a solution only makes it look like you want non citizens to vote.

I know that there are poor people without assistance or home bound where the mobil ID can go to their homes. There are county buses who take people to Drs appointments even disabled people. There can be county buses that can take them for other assistance.. Has anyone without an ID ever been to a Drs appointment, grocery store, bought alcohol, cigarettes or gotten a controlled prescription ? If yes, then it means that getting an ID is possible. Yes it will cost states and counties more money but I personally have NO PROBLEM having my tax money going for something like this. ANYTHING to shut the f××× fighting the hell up.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@marke claims
[quote]Funeral Embalmer: 85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs (exposingtheirlies.com)[/quote]
Wow, who knew embalmers studied the internal organs of the bodies they embalm??

Oh, wait, unless the body has already been autopsied, they DON'T!!! According to
[b]https://www.legacy.com/advice/the-embalming-process-how-it-works/[/b]

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[b]The Embalming Process: How it Works[/b]

[u]Arterial Embalming[/u]

Arterial embalming is begun by injecting embalming fluid into an artery while blood is drained via a vein. Typically about two gallons of embalming fluid — consisting of formaldehyde or other chemicals, mixed with water — is needed for arterial embalming. The blood is generally disposed of via the sewer system. This step is complete once all blood has been replaced with embalming fluid.

[u]Cavity Embalming[/u]

Cavity embalming follows arterial embalming. This process only takes place when a body was not autopsied. Cavity embalming begins as the embalmer uses a device called a trocar (basically, a hollow tube with a point on one end and a seal on the other) to puncture the stomach, bladder, large intestines, lungs, and other hollow organs. Suction is then used to aspirate out the fluid and gas that has collected in the organs.

The embalmer then pumps embalming fluid into the torso, where it will fill empty spaces including those created by suctioning the fluid and gas from the organs. The embalming fluid used for cavity embalming is stronger than that used for arterial embalming. Ideally, both the aspiration and addition of embalming fluid are done through small punctures in the torso, which can then be sealed with a small plastic cap called a trocar button. The vagina and anus might also be sealed with cotton to prevent fluid leaking.
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Examining the organs and searching for clots? NOT PART OF THE EMBALMING PROCESS!!! They might see a few clots as they replace blood with fluid, but that's in no way a medical survey of clots! If an embalmer is looking at organs, it's because the body was ALREADY AUTOPSIED!! And autopsied bodies are NOT a randomly sampled subset. They are a specially selected subset!! Which means you can't draw conclusions about the general population from a specially selected subset during a pandemic!!!

Now let's talk about death certificates. Death certificates are filed by medical examiners, people with MD degrees who specialize in pathology. They are employed by cities and counties all across the nation. They are highly decentralized. They don't work for the CDC. Congress doesn't pay their paychecks.

So what would it take for thousands of medical examiners, highly trained professionals sworn to the Hippocratic Oath, separately employed by cities and counties all across the nation, to work together to suppress information about "85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs"?? What would it take???

Well, it would take a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy!!! With no leakers and no whistleblowers!!! Honestly, what is the probability of that as compared with the probability of two embalmers stretching the 'truth' a little? I'll reiterate, embalmers who DON'T examine all the organs of every body they come across, who DON'T record statistics of what they see.

Did you know that Covid also causes clots? Yes it does. And since embalmers don't have access to medical histories, how do they know if the clots are associated with vaccine? Did you know that clots often occur post mortem?? How do you connect post-mortem clots with a vaccine? Did the embalmers run a histological analysis on the clots? Of course not!!

Now let's see, what do other embalmers say??

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Abnormal clots were found in COVID-19 victims "long before vaccinations were available," said licensed embalmer Monica Torres, of NXT Generation Mortuary Support in Phoenix, "and it is not uncommon to find dark blood clots in any deceased, not just COVID persons, who have been stored in refrigeration for a long period of time before embalming."

The National Funeral Directors Association, a U.S. professional organization, told PolitiFact that embalmers in its network have noticed similar abnormalities in COVID-related deaths, but among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

"It’s only anecdotal evidence, and there’s no scientific evidence to draw any conclusions," said Jessica Koth, director of public relations for the association.
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In short, others in the funerary industry do NOT support the correlation of abnormal clots with the vaccine - THEY see a correlation with COVID!!!

I'm sorry, I've shot your 'embalmer' argument so full of holes it'll need a closed casket funeral. RIP.

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LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@ElwoodBlues Well, there you go again, introducing facts to someone who cares nothing about them. 😆

Ryderbike

Geez he’s crazy

windinhishair · 61-69, M

@ElwoodBlues Damn you. Facts again. What is a poor evangelical Christian Trump Cult conspiracy theorist going to do with you? Why, watch some more random internet videos from unknowledgeable people, including random embalmers, and read some more unsubstantiated right-wing media reports from misinformation sites, of course!

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues[quote] Wow, who knew embalmers studied the internal organs of the bodies they embalm??

Oh, wait, unless the body has already been autopsied, they DON'T!!! According to
https://www.legacy.com/advice/the-embalming-process-how-it-works/[/quote]

Unfortunately, neither the CDC nor Dr. Fauci do autopsies so their opinions on blood clots of victims of the vaccine are of little importance.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Nice straw man! You'll notice I excluded the CDC; yet you chose to attack them as if it refuted what I wrote. Strange!

Here, I'm gonna quote part of what I wrote; maybe a re-read will help you understand:

[quote] Now let's talk about death certificates. Death certificates are filed by medical examiners, people with MD degrees who specialize in pathology. They are employed by cities and counties all across the nation. They are highly decentralized. They don't work for the CDC. Congress doesn't pay their paychecks.

So what would it take for thousands of medical examiners, highly trained professionals sworn to the Hippocratic Oath, separately employed by cities and counties all across the nation, to work together to suppress information about "85% of Dead Bodies Now Have Strange Blood Clots Since COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-outs"?? What would it take???

Well, it would take a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy!!! With no leakers and no whistleblowers!!! Honestly, what is the probability of that as compared with the probability of two embalmers stretching the 'truth' a little? I'll reiterate, embalmers who DON'T examine all the organs of every body they come across, who DON'T record statistics of what they see. [/quote]

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]Nice straw man! You'll notice I excluded the CDC; yet you chose to attack them as if it refuted what I wrote. Strange![/quote]

This woman died shortly after taking the booster. Doctors do not know what killed her but admit it may have been a reaction to the vaccine. One doctor is quoted saying it is very hard to say definitively whether the vaccine killed her or not. That is the problem. Thousands of suspicious deaths have unknown causes listed on death cirtificates because professionals do not want to say the vaccine caused the death since it is almost impossible to prove that conclusively even if it is true.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-browser_wavebrowser&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-browser_wavebrowser&hspart=pty&param1=20220416&param2=18fc5eb8-1b43-431a-8415-5a26f1ff85cd&param3=wav%7EUS%7Eappfocus1%7E&param4=d-cp12919082543-lp5-hh6-obem-wav-vuentp%3Aon-igQDtJIzQUGcGslMxalmQ-ab36-w64-brwsr-ntb-ntp%7EChrome%7Eare+young+people+who+died+after+taking+vaccine+autopsied%3F%7EB2D7D7656EB4E5153688637C8FBF7B49%7EWin10&p=are+young+people+who+died+after+taking+vaccine+autopsied%3F&type=A1-brwsr-%7E2022-16%7E#id=3&vid=0052440d1ef6bd3c587ff1db2e8f64bc&action=click

Healthy woman suddenly died of unknown causes almost immediately after getting the vaccine.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Yes, this has happened. I notice you failed to post statistics on death rates due to vaccine. Luckily, other folks have posted death rates due to vaccine.

[quote]Study followed 1.2 million vaccinated

.0003% died

75% of that .0003% had at least four comorbidities

That’s means the death rate for the 1.2 million was 36
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The original wildtype Covid, as well as the delta variant, had a death rate of roughly 1%. I think risking a 0.0003% death rate is better than risking a 1% death rate. Do you disagree??

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]Yes, this has happened. I notice you failed to post statistics on death rates due to vaccine. Luckily, other folks have posted death rates due to vaccine.
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Government and medical professionals have admitted they cannot rule out the covid vaccine as the cause of death in hundreds of cases.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-browser_wavebrowser&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-browser_wavebrowser&hspart=pty&param1=20220416&param2=18fc5eb8-1b43-431a-8415-5a26f1ff85cd&param3=wav%7EUS%7Eappfocus1%7E&param4=d-cp12919082543-lp5-hh6-obem-wav-vuentp%3Aon-igQDtJIzQUGcGslMxalmQ-ab36-w64-brwsr-ntb-ntp%7EChrome%7Eare+young+people+who+died+after+taking+vaccine+autopsied%3F%7EB2D7D7656EB4E5153688637C8FBF7B49%7EWin10&p=are+young+people+who+died+after+taking+vaccine+autopsied%3F&type=A1-brwsr-%7E2022-16%7E#id=3&vid=0052440d1ef6bd3c587ff1db2e8f64bc&action=click

Woman died of unknown causes almost immediately after getting the vaccine. Cause of death likely the vaccine but that would be hard to prove, says doctor.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke [quote]Government and medical professionals have admitted they cannot rule out the covid vaccine as the cause of death in hundreds of cases.[/quote]

BILLIONS of doses have been administered!!! Something like 12,7 BILLION worldwide; 613 million in the US alone. Hundreds, you say? Let's assume for the sake of calculations that 300 unknown deaths are due to vaccine. That's a death rate of 1 in 2 million!! Would you like to see that as a percentage?? It's 0.00005%. Compare that to a 1% death rate due to Covid itself. Yes, the vaccine is FAR FAR FAR safer.

Ryderbike

@ElwoodBlues vaccine is 200 times safer than aspirin.

marke · 70-79, M

@Ryderbike [quote]vaccine is 200 times safer than aspirin.[/quote]

If professionals cannot tell whether sudden deaths following covid vaccine jabs are caused by covid vaccine jabs then they certainly cannot prove the covid vaccine is safer than aspirin.

Ryderbike

@marke well your premise is false because that’s not happening .

Here is a study for you

Study followed 1.2 million vaccinated

.0003% died

75% of that .0003% had at least four comorbidities

That’s means the death rate for the 1.2 million was 36

American Covid deaths per million is over 3000

Any questions?

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Actually, they can, by making worst case assumptions like I made above, assuming based on your "hundreds" that 300 unknown deaths were due to vaccine.

Worst case assumptions are quite common both in engineering and in medicine - anywhere where public safety is involved.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues[quote] Actually, they can, by making worst case assumptions like I made above, assuming based on your "hundreds" that 300 unknown deaths were due to vaccine.

Worst case assumptions are quite common both in engineering and in medicine - anywhere where public safety is involved.[/quote]

The CDC has a very poor and completely unreliable record of investigating thousands of claims of premature deaths due to covid vaccine jabs.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke [quote]The CDC has a very poor and completely unreliable record of investigating thousands of claims of premature deaths due to covid vaccine jabs.[/quote] In your own words: that's "An opinion piece lacking factual evidentiary support" [b]LOL!!![/b]

Look, you've got suspicions about the vaccine, but ZERO data to back up your suspicions. All the data, from the US, from the UK (where Astrazeneca has a higher death rate), Europe, they ALL have statistics proving the vaccine is EXTREMELY safe. Are they all part of some GiAnTt CoNSPiRaCy???

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]Look, you've got suspicions about the vaccine, but ZERO data to back up your suspicions. All the data, from the US, from the UK (where Astrazeneca has a higher death rate), Europe, they ALL have statistics proving the vaccine is EXTREMELY safe. Are they all part of some GiAnTt CoNSPiRaCy???
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If you think the CDC can prove hundreds of deaths were not caused by the vaccine then you should post your evidence to support that claim. I do not believe the CDC can prove the vaccine is not causing hundreds if not thousands of deaths in the US.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Did you NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE??

I wrote that even assuming worst case on those hundreds of deaths, the vaccine has a death rate of one half per million!! For comparison, Covid has a death rate of 10,000 per million!!! Were you unable to follow the math??? 300 deaths divided by 613 doses?? Is that beyond you????

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues[quote] I wrote that even assuming worst case on those hundreds of deaths, the vaccine has a death rate of one half per million!! For comparison, Covid has a death rate of 10,000 per million!!! Were you unable to follow the math??? 300 deaths divided by 613 doses?? Is that beyond you????

Professionals can generate all the numbers they want but if they admit they cannot tell for sure whether a death that looks covid vaccine-related is covid vaccine-related then their numbers are worthless.
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ElwoodBlues · M

@marke FALSE!!! Worst case assumptions are quite common both in engineering and in medicine - anywhere where public safety is involved.

Lemme guess, you didn't major in a STEM field, did you??

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]FALSE!!! Worst case assumptions are quite common both in engineering and in medicine - anywhere where public safety is involved.

Lemme guess, you didn't major in a STEM field, did you??
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I picked this up from a medical journal:

[b]Chapter 10Research – good, bad and unnecessary[/b]

[b]In earlier chapters we emphasized why tests of treatments must be designed properly and addressed questions that matter to patients and the public. When they are, everyone can take pride and satisfaction in the results, even when hoped-for benefits do not materialize, because important insights will have been gained and uncertainty lessened.

Although much health research is good – and it is steadily improving as it conforms with design and reporting standards1 – bad and unnecessary research continues to be done, and published, for various reasons. And as for the perpetual demand ‘more research is needed’, a better strategy would be to do less, but to focus the research on the needs of patients, and so help to ensure that it is done for the right reasons. We explore these issues in this chapter.[/b]

Assumptions of any kind should not be used to create medical advice, especially when it comes to serious side effects of covid vaccines.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke [quote]Assumptions of any kind should not be used to create medical advice, especially when it comes to serious side effects of covid vaccines.[/quote] Funny thing: neither the word "assumption" nor "assume" occurred anywhere in your quoted paragraphs. Your quoted paragraphs DON'T SUPPORT your claim about assumptions in research and development.

I repeat, worst case assumptions are used ALL THE TIME in engineering, in health, anywhere safety is an issue. Your quoted paragraphs DON'T SUPPORT your claim about assumptions in research and development.

Lemme guess, you didn't major in a STEM field, did you??

Do you think engineers know the exact breaking load of a bridge?? Of course not?? Some rivets may be bad, some steel may have inclusions, corrosion may set in; trucks may be overloaded, etc etc.

So engineers make worst-case assumptions for EVERY structure they build. Happens all the time.

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marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues [quote]Funny thing: neither the word "assumption" nor "assume" occurred anywhere in your quoted paragraphs. Your quoted paragraphs DON'T SUPPORT your claim about assumptions in research and development.[/quote]

You used the word "assumptions" to support assumptions about the dangers of the covid vaccine. These are your words:
[b]"FALSE!!! Worst case assumptions are quite common both in engineering and in medicine - anywhere where public safety is involved."[/b]

Assumptions about the covid vaccine may give leftists meat for talking points but those assumptions are not scientifically validated facts.

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@marke ASSumptions about the vaccine are all you seem to be able to provide.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke Assumptions form an upper bound.

[quote] those assumptions are not scientifically validated facts.[/quote]
The upper bounds and error bars are scientifically validated. Error analysis is a key part of almost EVERY scientific publication. You have invented a straw man by pretending there can be no assumptions in science. CLEARLY you didn't major in a STEM field.

BTW assumptions are QUITE common in math. One of the most frequently used proof schemas is proof by contrapositive. If you want to prove statement X is true, assume it false and reason to a contradiction. You can see it in action in Euclid's 300BC proof that there are infinite prime numbers:
[b]https://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/euclids.html[/b]

Notice the method: assume a maximum prime, form its factorial+1, violate the assumption. Like I said, assumptions are VERY common.

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