The fact that this is being debated is an embarrassment to humankind.

I'm the 500th reply! Where's my prize.

No, hospitals exist to treat the sick. But employers should have the option to require workers to be vaccinated as a condition of continued employment. With the exception of those suffering from compromised immune systems, who can’t be vaccinated.

That’s a heartless, cold way of dealing with human life. Turn people away because they didn’t do what I think is the right course of action.
Maybe next time you break a leg doing something stupid you should ask yourself if going to seek treatment is appropriate.

The hospitals should take care of everyone regardless whether they are vaccinated or not. I am definitely for everyone getting vaccinated but we cannot punish those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons or even those who do not want the vaccine.

ICU beds are full. That means people who would normally be in ICU like stroke or heart attack patients will be deferred. Where? In Arkansas on July 14 they had 1174 ICU beds with 61 available. On July 14 Gov, Asa Hutchinson announced 1309 new cases and those cases have multiplied.
People who would normally go to ICU will die because of COVID cases overrunning these hospitals.

Its insane how cruel the vaxxed are. Do you guys hear yourselves??? The unvaxxed wouldn't act this way if the vaxxed needed help at a hospital. Should a nurse turn away a sick covid vaxxed patient becaude the vax didn't work?

If you chose not to be vaccinated fine but then you should be last on the list for health care. That means behind the guy with a migraine also

Well the vaxxed won't end up in the hospital anyways since they are saved by their Lord and savior Vaccine Christ!

Imagine a hospital gets saturated by these people. At that point you'll be forced to make a choice, because resources are limited. Who do we save? The covid denier, in the name of equality, or someone who's not there as a consequence of their choice? How is choosing the former more "ethical" than the latter?

Priority queues exist already btw, think of organ transplantations.

So my answer is yes. In case of criticalities, CV+ cases that are not vaxxed by their own choice should get a lower priority of treatment over anyone else who hasn't explicitly chosen to be there.

So stop treating smokers, people who do illegal drugs, people who vote democrat...

That is totally stupid logic
By that logic they should turn away cancer patients who smoke
Refuse to treat patients who have attempted suicide

Health service in Uk is free to all at point of use. If you start with vaccines will you move on to smokers, the overweight, drug users etc? It’s a short step from there to deciding if people are ‘worth’ treating based on their value to society.

I’d be dead, 8 year old girls with internal injuries are expensive to fix and don’t pay tax.

Why do unvaccinated people go to the hospital when they become infected?

Surely the place is full of people, they don't trust!

Why would they go to the Hospital? I mean it's a hoax right, they didn't need the vaccine because it's no worse than the common flu so stay home, hide under the blankies and hope you survive 🥴

Well, not getting a vaccine isn’t a criminal act. It’s fair to note, having said that, that hospitals do treat actual criminals - despite the popular opinion of some.

Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bomber, is one that jumps quickly to mind because of where I live and work. He (and his brother) were responsible for a terrorist attacking that left 3 dead and 264 injured, some requiring traumatic amputations. He was treated at Beth Israel in Boston for multiple gun shot wounds.

That’s an example of a heinous crime that still is afforded the best care humanly possible. The goal of a hospital isn’t to sit in judgement, it’s to use every asset in their power to make people well.

Though I absolutely blame anti-vaxxers for the spread once a vaccine(s) has become available, they are by no means inherently giving up their right to the same health care afforded to all of us - even the worst, most despicable criminals.

No. I’m cool with hospitals not being able to turn away anyone in dire straits.

Then they should by the same logic turn away those who want abortions. They chose not to use protection, take care of it at home.

If you had the vaccine, and you get covid, the hospital should turn you away.
There is no reason why a vaccinated person should take up a hospital bed. The vaccine was designed so you would not need to take up a bed. If the vaccine does not work then it should be recalled.

We take oaths.

No especially since they could have caught it from someone that was vaccinated

No. Healthcare in the US is afforded to everyone (though not equitably).

Where do you draw the line? Smokers, too? Addicts? The terminally I'll who can't really be helped anyway?

Is this about saving lives? Or is it about being morally superior?

I think they should welcome them all with a big sign says "We've told you so!"

This whole argument bears a strong resemblance to segregation.

If they did that, they would also be able to turn away cancer patients who are smokers.

Or turn away AIDS patients who are LGBT.

The list goes on.

Then why take drunk drivers as they have no regard for others and kill and maim many

No

{@independentone ] no you cannot send them away we have duty of care . it may seem self inflicted but that is there freedom of choice not to be vaccinatd

Where do you draw the line with that kind of logic? Not treating overweight people or smokers, or heavy drinkers. There job is to heal not judge.

No, I do not think hostipals should have that "right". I understand what you're saying about the concerning fact of the lack of no ICU beds or any, though. It has been a very real and heartbreaking problem, and might be again.

They probably have to be treated in order to prevent the spread but they should be charged extra for wasting the systems space and time when it was avoidable.

You cant pick and choose your patients ,then the same philosophy would have to be applied for every other treatment beyond covid. it is unethical

Yes if it's the last bed in the hospital. We all suffer from the choices we make.

An assumption here that the unvaccinated have not taken precautions.

public hospitals cannot turn away any patient under law. private hospitals can turn away a patient in a non emergency situation. should be the end of discussion

The shots don't work!!!

no, in uk the nhs treats everybody equally. doctors take the hypocratic oath they have ot preserve life, evn if the person ois metnally ill or even the enemy in war

Hospitals are there to serve us. That's the way I see it.

I think they should have the right personally. I think the problem is distrust in the vaccine. It might have side effects but I think we should all risk it for the greater good personally. Though after reading about them I chose the Pfizer. I wouldnt want the Moderna. I'd get a Johnson and Johnson one though. I'm glad they gave us a choice at least where I live they did.

New your city is now segregating people. Vax vs invaded. Black vs white in restaurants.

If triage were to be needed, medical ethics require the willingly unvaccinated to be given lower priority.