Should Hospitals have the right to turn away Covid patients from those who have chosen to be unvaccinated?

@HellsBelle But on the other hand, had more people gotten the vaccine, would there be herd immunity and less potential from variants to infect us?

@independentone it spreads because people are gross. Not only are people dying from the vax but you can also still get covid. People get mad and say i don't understand. But do you?

@HellsBelle there have been very few cases of people dying from the vaccine.
I do know the current administration is lying about the number of breakthrough cases, and where I called Trump for his lying, I also want to call out Biden for lying.
I have had the vaccine, I believe I'm more protected than someone who isn't vaccinated, but I, and others are still able to catch one of the variants.

@HellsBelle People are not dying from the vax in anything approaching statistically significant numbers (so far, 3 out of 190 million), and 99% of current hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

I am not on board with OPs plan, but make no mistake - anti-vaxxers are being complete morons about this entire situation.

@QuixoticSoul ...."statistically...significant"? I am sure that those who have died from it were significant to their family

@HellsBelle Duh. Nevertheless, 3 out of ~200 million are good odds, far, far better than we get with covid.

@QuixoticSoul so far. Its only been 4 months of the vaccine. Too many issues with it for me to rush and get jabbed

@independentone Don’t have to go to the administration to get an idea of breakthrough cases.

In my city, 1800 have been hospitalized with covid since December - only six of those were vaccinated.

@QuixoticSoul Numbers from Cedars are roughly 20% are vaccinated breakthrough cases. Biden and the CDC have been lying about the percentages.

@independentone Cases/tests - or hospitalizations?

@QuixoticSoul Cases, hospitalizations are somewhere around 95% unvaccinated I believe.

@independentone Yup, sounds about right.
[quote] "We are so frustrated. We are so upset and so frustrated because I think this feels like it shouldn't have to be this way," said Dr. Oren Friedman, an ICU physician at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

[b]He said nearly 100% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated[/b]. Many expressed remorse. One man's story haunts Friedman.

"I could see unbelievable regret. He was nervous. He's anxious. I can tell you he's not expected to survive, and I think: All I can say to the public is, you don't want to be in this situation," the doctor said. "Trust us -- you don't want to be in the hospital saying, I regret not getting a vaccine. Just do it."[/quote]

@HellsBelle [quote] Too many issues with it for me to rush and get jabbed[/quote]
This is a flawed risk analysis, likely due to your media diet. There have been [i]very[/i] few issues with the vaccines we have available in the US - and all the ones that cropped up have been with the J&J - which is still super safe.

Literally, my daily commute is more dangerous. Vastly more dangerous when I take the bike.

@QuixoticSoul media diet 🙄 yeah the CDC website is real toxic.....

@QuixoticSoul I saw that report, and I agree with the doctor. My doctors are all Cedars doctors and they are telling me this current variant is much more contagious than the original Covid.

@HellsBelle The CDC website is pretty upfront that serious vaccine side effects have been vanishingly rare, and that covid vaccines in use in this country are extremely safe.

@independentone if everyone, vaxxed or unvaxxed, can catch the variant.......whyyyyy is everyone pushing the vaccine?! Im beating my head against a wall here. Because in 6 months, youll all need ANOTHER vaccine for the variant! We dont even know long term effects yet!

@HellsBelle Wouldn't a 75 - 80% vaccinated population provide herd immunity, making Covid not as deadly?

@independentone I dont know. No one does

@HellsBelle Because vaccines make it less likely for you to catch the variant, less likely to transmit or develop symptoms if you do catch it, and [i]much[/i] less likely to end up in the hospital.

Even in highly vaccinated areas where most people getting exposed to the virus have had the vaccine, 99% of people getting hospitalized are unvaccinated.

Guess what, covid has a ton of long term effects that we know about already, with more likely to come out later.

@QuixoticSoul both sound risky.

@HellsBelle Life is risky. But one of those situations is astronomically more risky than the other - that’s what I mean when I’m talking about a flawed risk analysis.

Change "your" to "my"

@HellsBelle So, if you catch Covid, why would you go to a hospital, you don't know what all they will put into your body to treat you?
If you don't think the vaccine is safe, why would you think the treatment was safe?

@HellsBelle Math is not really an opinion, even when it’s not on your side.