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Should Hospitals have the right to turn away Covid patients from those who have chosen to be unvaccinated?

Why should someone who makes the decision to not be vaccinated take a bed and be treated from someone who has taken precautions and had a breakthrough case?
Shouldn't the unvaccinated just stay home and deal with this virus on their own?
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HellsBelle · 36-40, F

Its insane how cruel the vaxxed are. Do you guys hear yourselves??? The unvaxxed wouldn't act this way if the vaxxed needed help at a hospital. Should a nurse turn away a sick covid vaxxed patient becaude the vax didn't work?

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independentone · M

@HellsBelle But on the other hand, had more people gotten the vaccine, would there be herd immunity and less potential from variants to infect us?

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@independentone it spreads because people are gross. Not only are people dying from the vax but you can also still get covid. People get mad and say i don't understand. But do you?

independentone · M

@HellsBelle there have been very few cases of people dying from the vaccine.
I do know the current administration is lying about the number of breakthrough cases, and where I called Trump for his lying, I also want to call out Biden for lying.
I have had the vaccine, I believe I'm more protected than someone who isn't vaccinated, but I, and others are still able to catch one of the variants.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle People are not dying from the vax in anything approaching statistically significant numbers (so far, 3 out of 190 million), and 99% of current hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.

I am not on board with OPs plan, but make no mistake - anti-vaxxers are being complete morons about this entire situation.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul ...."statistically...significant"? I am sure that those who have died from it were significant to their family

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle Duh. Nevertheless, 3 out of ~200 million are good odds, far, far better than we get with covid.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul so far. Its only been 4 months of the vaccine. Too many issues with it for me to rush and get jabbed

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@independentone Don’t have to go to the administration to get an idea of breakthrough cases.

In my city, 1800 have been hospitalized with covid since December - only six of those were vaccinated.

independentone · M

@QuixoticSoul Numbers from Cedars are roughly 20% are vaccinated breakthrough cases. Biden and the CDC have been lying about the percentages.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@independentone Cases/tests - or hospitalizations?

independentone · M

@QuixoticSoul Cases, hospitalizations are somewhere around 95% unvaccinated I believe.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@independentone Yup, sounds about right.

"We are so frustrated. We are so upset and so frustrated because I think this feels like it shouldn't have to be this way," said Dr. Oren Friedman, an ICU physician at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

He said nearly 100% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated. Many expressed remorse. One man's story haunts Friedman.

"I could see unbelievable regret. He was nervous. He's anxious. I can tell you he's not expected to survive, and I think: All I can say to the public is, you don't want to be in this situation," the doctor said. "Trust us -- you don't want to be in the hospital saying, I regret not getting a vaccine. Just do it."

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle

Too many issues with it for me to rush and get jabbed

This is a flawed risk analysis, likely due to your media diet. There have been very few issues with the vaccines we have available in the US - and all the ones that cropped up have been with the J&J - which is still super safe.

Literally, my daily commute is more dangerous. Vastly more dangerous when I take the bike.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul media diet 🙄 yeah the CDC website is real toxic.....

independentone · M

@QuixoticSoul I saw that report, and I agree with the doctor. My doctors are all Cedars doctors and they are telling me this current variant is much more contagious than the original Covid.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle The CDC website is pretty upfront that serious vaccine side effects have been vanishingly rare, and that covid vaccines in use in this country are extremely safe.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@independentone if everyone, vaxxed or unvaxxed, can catch the variant.......whyyyyy is everyone pushing the vaccine?! Im beating my head against a wall here. Because in 6 months, youll all need ANOTHER vaccine for the variant! We dont even know long term effects yet!

independentone · M

@HellsBelle Wouldn't a 75 - 80% vaccinated population provide herd immunity, making Covid not as deadly?

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@independentone I dont know. No one does

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle Because vaccines make it less likely for you to catch the variant, less likely to transmit or develop symptoms if you do catch it, and much less likely to end up in the hospital.

Even in highly vaccinated areas where most people getting exposed to the virus have had the vaccine, 99% of people getting hospitalized are unvaccinated.

Guess what, covid has a ton of long term effects that we know about already, with more likely to come out later.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul both sound risky.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle Life is risky. But one of those situations is astronomically more risky than the other - that’s what I mean when I’m talking about a flawed risk analysis.

HellsBelle · 36-40, F

Change "your" to "my"

independentone · M

@HellsBelle So, if you catch Covid, why would you go to a hospital, you don't know what all they will put into your body to treat you?
If you don't think the vaccine is safe, why would you think the treatment was safe?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@HellsBelle Math is not really an opinion, even when it’s not on your side.

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