@sree251 no I don’t have faith. I have knowledge. If you paid any attention to my posts you’d see I don’t have faith. I’m pretty sure nobody on here would say i have faith.

On top of that, the way religious people and scientists act and think is very different. Religious people agree with whatever nonsense other people of the same religion say. Scientists argue to find new answers to the cause and effect of phenomena. Being religious takes no effort while you have to graduate from grad school to experiment and submit findings for publication. Religious elites say the same thing over and over again while top scientists very often enjoy different views and finding different results. Religious people are lazy and lack curiosity scientists work hard and a curious. Religions are exclusive. Science is inclusive.

@Greyjedi What you call knowledge is faith: a body of beliefs that you take for granted as truths that are never questioned. The reason is because it is impossible to question truths. You either accept them or you don't. Sure, you can test your truths but you are not doing that even when the jury is still out on many fundamental truths that scientists are revisiting. Is the Earth round? No one knows its actual shape and interior. You believe it is actually flying around the sun at 67,000 miles an hour. And you can tell me that you don't have faith.

@sree251 you clearly lack any intelligence and character

@in10RjFox Atheism, in the broadest sense, is a close-minded ideology. It locks us in a mechanical existence.

@ArcticDave If it is weird, then it is incomprehensible to you.

@ArcticDave well said!

@Greyjedi Science does not start wars? You are not looking at the big picture. Science is heartless. It works on logic. Birth control and abortion are methods of science. Religion does not start war, irreligious people do. And science provides means of human mutilation and destruction.

@sree251 Jesus Christ. You keep anthropomorphizing science, and it's not a good look for you. Science is a process of learning stuff, nothing more. That's like trying to say that hammers have killed people.

@LordShadowfire Humanity exist but the human person doesn't. You are seeing things. The self is an illusion. Humanity driven by science is sterile thought in action. This is why wars are fought regardless of human suffering. Hammers do kill people when they are moved by heartless minds moved by the soulless intellect.

@ElwoodBlues Actually, there are no other parts of life, and science is about conclusions it makes about this life.

@Castenmas I would say it's about figuring out things more than finding things but yes.

@Castenmas Intolerance is intolerance no matter which side of the coin you look. The fact is that you are an intolerant bigot who hates Christians and doesn't understand plain English. The facts are on my side not yours. Science is a religion just as is any other world view. Science holds that by the power of the human intellect we can understand all that is. How utterly foolish is that? We can't understand most of what we can quantify. Witness something as commonplace as gravity. We can't explain it without trying to use it as an explanation.

@hippyjoe1955 I see you are deaf to the words of the Bible. Therefore you are not a Christian. Just an argumentative ape.

I see this particular bag of trash isn’t going to take itself out. Time to use a block.

@Richard65 This is a good conversation. It is sincere on your part, and I appreciate your sharing of what drives you. You do care about what you are doing and I believe that you are sincere. Me, I don't care. Strange as it may seem, what drives you to immerse in human suffering is the same thing that pulls me from entangling in it. You are the man who jumps in the raging sea to save those who are drowning while my response is to watch the dying from the shore.

It's more painful to give full attention to watch the pain. I want to it to end completely once and for all. I don't want to jump in to stop the suffering over and over again.

@Misspotat Who told you to say that, Misspotat?

@sree251 I'm sorry you feel like that. I'm usually the one who stood by and watched from the shore without plunging into the raging sea. One day, I decided to plunge in. There's no reason for my action, I just felt it was the right time to do it. I apologise if I seemed aggressive. I sometimes appear too terse, especially on here. It's because other people on here can be aggressive, so it's a defence mechanism more than anything.

There's an English poem I read years ago and always remembered it. It reads:

And the man who throws the lifebelt,
Even he needs help at times.
Standing on the shore,
Terrified of the waves.

@sree251 if you're going to start a debate, it's best not to run away when someone challenges your statement 😒

@Richard65 I did not see your post until now. I don't have a wife. If I had one, I would call for an ambulance.

@sree251 so your faith in science is stronger than your faith in God. Thanks for answering my question.

@Richard65 Hold your horses. Modern medicine is essential for living a conventional life which is dangerous and stressful. I don't live a conventional life. Consequently, I don't have a wife and will not ever have a need to call an ambulance for her. If I have a heart attack despite being healthy, it would be time to go. A heart attack would cause a loss of blood pressure and a black out as I slump to the floor. No ambulance for me.

Incidentally, a few weeks ago, a friend came to dinner. He had had a heart attack and did slumped to the floor. An ambulance was called. He was revived. He now has a pacemaker. When I saw him, I felt saddened. He looked pale, a shadow of his former bubbly self. He looked like a dead man walking. When I looked up on the pacemaker, I was appalled. Why do people want to keep on living, especially in a rotten world.

@sree251 that's a whole litany of straw man arguments. I know two people with pacemakers who thank the hospital every day for saving their lives and giving them more time with their families. Ive seen a woman cry with gratitude in a hospital bed after a defibrillator saved her life. I work with vulnerable adults whose lives are improved every day by science. Your own thoughts on life in general aren't the focus of the point you posted on here. Your view is wholly subjective and for every person who feels as you do, there's a hundred or more who thank science for saving their lives. It isn't a religion, it has tangible results in the here and now. We don't have faith in science, we're grateful we live in an age where it can alleviate so much pain, distress and sadness.

@Richard65 I know that people are afraid to die; and yet, the world we live in is harsh and dangerous: poverty, violent crime and wars. It doesn't make sense why we want to create horrendous conditions to suffer in.

@dancingtongue Nice try but science demands you accept their every statement even when they change their mind. You dare not question the science. The point is that science is a religion and operates from an unprovable premise just as does any religion. I believe in God based on my experience. I could not prove it to you. I used to believe in science based on the same thing until my experience showed me that the science was wrong/in error.

@dancingtongue Question everything and [i] provide evidence to back up your questions.[/i]

@SW-User The suffering is not imagined but palpable: a constant slow burn of anxiety. It's not fun to be in this state.

Science is knowledge that informs perception of ourselves as human creatures living in a material world.

Religion is aspiration, a longing for freedom from entrapment in this world depicted by science.

Atheisism is a cop out, a resignation of the defeated soul.

@helenS a!so, you say its not a cult but i witnessed with my own eyes and ears people banging pots and pans every thursday at 8pm to celebrate the nhs. If thats not cult like behaviour, i dont know what is.

Awwww the heady days of 2020. What a time to be alive.

@helenS now theres a lost art, agree to disagree. But im down with that

@gol979 I tried to be diplomatic 😏

@CelestiaStella What is a fact of science? Is it not an assertion of the scientist, the observer of the fact? Without the observer, there is no fact.

@sree251 Gravity. [i] Gravity.[/i].. is a fact. I'm tired of arguing with a professional contrarian. My toddler has a better grasp of such things.

@CelestiaStella Gravity is the invisible physical force that pulls objects to each other. I am looking at a cup on the table. If gravity is a fact, then there is an invisible force pulling that cup to me. It isn't moving. I also cannot feel that cup pulling me to it.

Your toddler's mind is being shaped by your facts.

@Convivial well lessee... there's the fine-tuned universe. Then there's the competence of those who canonized the Bible. See atheist dogma says that 1) the Bible has been heavily edited over the past 2 millennia and 2) it's full of contradictions. So it's necessary that the brightest minds in Western society be [i]amazingly[/i] incompetent to allow all these contradictions to persist over the last 2000 years

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP i think this brightest minds as you call them are and have constantly called out the inherent contradictions

@Convivial but left them in place during all the heavy editing

@MountainMonk89 Science is indeed based on our observation of the natural world. Some of us may have "biblical roots", and some don't.

@Cierzo so lying to urself about a bunch of heresay letters is better?

@Pfuzylogic Science is the study of the observable world by the observer. The observer is you. What are you? This is the first question to ask to determine the integrity of the instrument of observation. If you are a human being, then that is the first level of bias that conditions the study of the world, which - to that human being - is the known universe. True science begins at ground zero with no bias. Fake science begins with the human being.

@RedBaron Atheism is the lack of a belief, not the belief that there isn't one. One does not hold that belief at all, whereas the other actively believes in a deity's nonexistence.

@CelestiaStella Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Look it up.

@LordShadowfire You exhibit the same impatience that people of faith have for deniers of God.

@GeistInTheMachine I’m talking about the way they refer him in their presentations. It’s the same kind of reverence believers give to their prophet.

@eMortal Lots of kissasses in the world. It's social climbing.

@whowasthatmaskedman Yes, science does deal with matters of this life.

Ya, very distorted @jehova thats what satan loves to do —MIX some truth with lies. So, it kinda sounds like it has some truth to it but at the end its still a lie but people are lured in to it cause of some truth actually mixed in. Satan isn’t stupid. He has been here long before us so he knows exactly what to say to make it sound possible.

@InHeaven oh u mean humans and the bible. if G-d is in all things g-d is also Satan but Satan not g$d isn't it just free will really?

God is not satan @jehova

@DocSavage ring-a-ding.

@LordShadowfire dude is being contrarian for the sake being contrarian.