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Is science the religion of atheism?

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Richard65 · M
If your loved one has a heart attack, or a serious accident where they are bleeding profusely or struggling to breathe, do you get to your knees and pray to God in the hope that He will save their life, or do you call an ambulance and hope that medical science will save their life?

If you choose to call an ambulance (which every one of you WOULD do) then you're accepting science is a powerful reality. You'd also be putting your belief in science before your belief in God.
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Richard65 · M
@Misspotat I know, my question was aimed at those who suggest science is a religion. I'm playing devil's advocate. If science IS a belief system, as they think it is, then if they call an ambulance instead of praying to God, then it shows that faith in science is more powerful than their faith in God. I don't expect anyone to answer, because they have no answer. Everyone would call an ambulance. I put the question to sree251, but he ran away and refused to answer.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 Modern diseases are caused by living a conventional lifestyle developed through the use of science. Modern medicine is for coping with such a lifestyle. There are no hospitals necessary in the forests for creatures living a natural life; otherwise, they would be part of nature.

I never had a vaccination in my life. My mom gave birth to me at home with the help of a midwife. She felt it was ridiculous to vaccinate a healthy baby. I have never been sick in my life, not even a tummy or headache. I gave up my career when I was 35 to live a natural life.
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Richard65 · M
@sree251 I work with disabled people who would be utterly bedridden and completely housebound without modern science. Some of them would be dead. They go out, move around and live and love their lives because of science and the help it has given them.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Misspotat Why is organic chemistry bs? Knowledge can be useful and has given us a better life up to a point.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 I think you are deliberately denying facts because you need to earn a living working with people whose lives are no longer viable. This is unconscionable.
Richard65 · M
@sree251 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sorry, but that's the funniest thing I've heard all week. Cheers, I appreciate the laugh.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 You have a sense of humor? That's macabre for someone working with disabled people.
Richard65 · M
@sree251 I'm English, our idea of humour is pretty dark, we're renowned for it. Why shouldn't I have a sense of humour working with disabled people? They are just normal people like you and me. One guy I look after regularly makes fun of me and I make fun of him in return. He knows it's just affectionate. It's you who doesn't seem to have any humour. You sound like you hate life.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 Here in America, conditions could be better for the disabled because they pay big bucks and their situations are pretty luxurious. I can see laughter when folks pay US$9,000 a month to have people like you tend to them.
Richard65 · M
@sree251 lol, you know nothing about me. I take care of two guys in wheelchairs and do practically everything for them; cooking, cleaning, bathing, personal care and hygiene, taking them on trips out, taking them on holiday. I sleep over at their house three nights every week and work weekends. Both of them like me and we have a good time. I'm on minimum wage and even though I could work in another job for far more pay, I choose to work as a support assistant because I feel it's more important to look after vulnerable people than make more money in an office. I'm qualified to do it professionally and put myself through numerous courses in adult social care in order to meet legal requirements in the UK.

Tell me, what have you ever done to help your fellow man...?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 What have I done to help fellow man? Nothing. I don't have a heavy conscience that compels me to give back and do good. You are an atheist, right? Nobody in Heaven is going to give you a pat on the back for devoting yourself to looking after vulnerable people in this life. So, what's the back story to your devotion?
Richard65 · M
@sree251 I don't do it to get a reward in heaven. Is that why Christians do good works, so they'll get a reward in heaven? I don't care about heaven, I care what happens here on earth, now, tomorrow and the day after. I know some vulnerable people and just saw how difficult life was for some of them, so I decided I could actually spend my days helping them. There's no complex issue or deep psychology behind the decision. I just don't care much about financial rewards. Sometimes I don't even check if I've been paid correctly for the hours I've worked, because I don't really care about the money. I give much of my wage every month to family members who are struggling through this cost of living crisis. I do it because I have empathy and care very much about people. You don't seem to care about anyone. You don't seem to care about life. It's quite sad, seriously. What went wrong in your life?
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@Richard65 This is a good conversation. It is sincere on your part, and I appreciate your sharing of what drives you. You do care about what you are doing and I believe that you are sincere. Me, I don't care. Strange as it may seem, what drives you to immerse in human suffering is the same thing that pulls me from entangling in it. You are the man who jumps in the raging sea to save those who are drowning while my response is to watch the dying from the shore.

It's more painful to give full attention to watch the pain. I want to it to end completely once and for all. I don't want to jump in to stop the suffering over and over again.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Misspotat Who told you to say that, Misspotat?
Richard65 · M
@sree251 I'm sorry you feel like that. I'm usually the one who stood by and watched from the shore without plunging into the raging sea. One day, I decided to plunge in. There's no reason for my action, I just felt it was the right time to do it. I apologise if I seemed aggressive. I sometimes appear too terse, especially on here. It's because other people on here can be aggressive, so it's a defence mechanism more than anything.

There's an English poem I read years ago and always remembered it. It reads:

And the man who throws the lifebelt,
Even he needs help at times.
Standing on the shore,
Terrified of the waves.