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8 months for attacking the capital....

shouldn't they all get life? for treason?
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Mamapolo2016 · 70-79, F
I don't know about life, but eight months does not seem equitable.
[@2021,MarineBob] There already was an investigation - it’s called a “trial.” If we followed your requirements, no one would ever be charged with a crime.
room101 · 51-55, M
[@1026,LeopoldBloom] "no one would ever be charged with a crime."

Which is exactly what the cultists want🤷‍♂️
[@176964,room101] Just for their own cult members. A Black kid who steals a pair of sneakers deserves the electric chair.
Nanori · 26-30, F
I wanna see them fighting to death in an arena
FurryFace · 61-69, M
[@934648,Nanori] yeah Gladiator style
carpediem · 61-69, M
[@934648,Nanori] I wonder how many months the arrested rioters got for burning down cities? Besides a pat on the back.
[@1213058,artjk] They are already crying that the other kids are not treating them nice.
ron122 · 41-45, M
But burning and looting is fine
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PatKirby · 41-45, M
[@335805,LvChris] I don't have to do jack shit.

But I am quite pleased this continues to pester you to no end. Kinda like Trump living Rent-Free in Leftist minds.

LvChris · 41-45, M
[@1160668,PatKirby] Nice self-portrait.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
It depends. The person sentenced was in the Capitol and breached one of the chambers, but was not violent. Other people will receive longer sentences for their crimes against the nation at Trump's behest. The politicians that assisted them in their attempted coup should face the harshest penalties.
tindrummer · M
[@1201123,mikeylyksit] now there's an asinine deflection
Dan88411 · 31-35, M
[@328496,bijouxbroussard] It would have been like Kent State 1970 all over again.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@940086,Dan88411] People ignore the fact that one of the four killed at Kent State by the National Guard was an ROTC member who could have ended up in their ranks. It was an indiscriminate slaughter, as would have happened if Trump gave the order for the National Guard to stop the peaceful protests for George Floyd.
Graylight · 46-50, F
I think it's a good indication of how these prosecutions will go. There'll be talk of lessons learned, overcrowded prisons, otherwise good citizens and so on all while some guy who was pulled over for a bad tail light and gets discovered with a bag of weed goes in for 7 years.
independentone · 61-69, M
[@627992,Graylight] Trump supporters should never be referred to as "good citizens", bunch of ignorant rednecks bent on destroying America is a bit more accurate description of them.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
I think 20 years if it was someone who killed one of the cops or civilians there on that day.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
Should they get 20 years if the cop dies later of an unrelated health condition?[@322117,Zonuss]
independentone · 61-69, M
I thought the penalty for treason was death. Why are all these traitors still alive and walking the streets?
Thinkerbell · 36-40, F

And no one exemplifies that kind of stupidity better than you do, Kwekie. 😂
QuixoticSoul · 36-40, M
[@884493,Thinkerbell] Never made it to 9th.
Byron8by7 · M
Not life, but certainly longer than eight months.
Xavierr · 46-50, M
[@872096,ninalanyon] For burning down a federal courthouse? If you burn down my house, it's arson. If you burn down a federal courthouse, it's something much bigger.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
[@1069095,Xavierr] Convicting them of arson would surely be enough to start with.
Xavierr · 46-50, M
[@872096,ninalanyon] To start with yeah.
QuixoticSoul · 36-40, M
8 months seems about right.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
[@580625,QuixoticSoul] 8 MonTHz wiTHz 4 Hoesz visitS includedZ
FreeSpirit1 · 46-50, F
Life? No.
FreeSpirit1 · 46-50, F
[@1026,LeopoldBloom] no
[@157515,FreeSpirit1] So somewhere between 8 months and life. 10-25 years?
FreeSpirit1 · 46-50, F
[@1026,LeopoldBloom] I said 8 months is not too much.
GhostPoncho · 51-55, M
Just one more reason why America is over. We can’t even punish insurrectionists. This is true decline.
independentone · 61-69, M
[@903658,GhostPoncho] Sadly, you may be right
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
[@903658,GhostPoncho] a country is also quite doomed if mobs are allowed to destroy countless businesses owned by innocent people and are portrayed positively in the media, absolutely disgusting. I hope it wasn’t your family business that was razed to the ground
GhostPoncho · 51-55, M
[@321829,pianoplayingsteve] I’ll never understand why people assume I am pro-looting. I’ve said nothing even remotely close to being pro-looting.
SweetMae · 61-69, F
I really don't know. I don't have all the facts. This could be the beginning of the end.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
It's because he pleaded guilty to "obstruction of an official proceeding" whatever that means.

Not "attacking the capital".


[quote]Paul Hodgkins, a 38-year-old crane operator, pleaded guilty last month to one count of obstruction of an official proceeding[/quote]
[@622788,SumKindaMunster] You can't clutch your pearls over the George Floyd riots, while dismissing the 1/6 riot with a hand wave and expect to not come across as a partisan fool.

I think everyone who riots should be punished. But if you think black guys stealing shoes from a Target are worse than white guys disrupting Congress, at least admit it.

Imagine that Trump had won a second term, and the exact same riot had taken place, only it was BLM and "antifa." I'm sure you wouldn't be shrugging your shoulders and saying "boys will be boys." You'd be asking why the Capitol police didn't machine-gun them the moment they got close to the doors.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
[@1026,LeopoldBloom] [quote]Imagine that Trump had won a second term, and the exact same riot had taken place, only it was BLM and "antifa.[/quote]

Actually, per Time magazine, the plan was to have riots in over 400 cities to "protest" his re-election.


[quote]More than 150 liberal groups, from the Women’s March to the Sierra Club to Color of Change, from Democrats.com to the Democratic Socialists of America, joined the “Protect the Results” coalition. The group’s now defunct website had a map listing 400 planned postelection demonstrations, to be activated via text message as soon as Nov. 4. To stop the coup they feared, the left was ready to flood the streets.[/quote]

Meanwhile you're obsessed with Bluto and the rest of Delta House cuz they put their dirty shoes on Nancy Pelosi's desk.....🙄
[@622788,SumKindaMunster] And if people had rioted in response to a Trump win, they should have been arrested. But not if they demonstrated peacefully, as they did when Traitor Tot won the first time. Not that you can tell the difference. Anyone questioning orange Jesus might as well be Ho Chi Minh.

Yes, I'm obsessed with Nazis who tried to overturn a legitimate election, just like you're obsessed with Black teenagers stealing shoes.
Driver2 · M
Are you serious?
PatKirby · 41-45, M

Shirley, whatever sister that may be she sounds seriously mixed up.

MaryJanine · 61-69, F
[@1160668,PatKirby] I agree with you on that score, But try talking to her and she looks at you like a quzzical dog.
PatKirby · 41-45, M

MaryJanine · 61-69, F
That's come and gone, folks. It was the beginning of the end when Donald Trump played like Teddy Roosevelt on San Juan Hill.
Virgo79 · 56-60, M
I don't know, what has everyone else got?
smiler2012 · 56-60, M
{@lilymaesixty1] the instigator yet again gets away scot free from his crime of inciting the riots and violence . yet again it is a case of the devil looking after his own .nothing to sticks to teflon don
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
- he wasn’t charged with treason
- he pled guilty very early in the proceedings
- prosecutors asked for 15-21 months
- he rather elaborately apologized to the court, unambiguously regretful of the damage he caused to the country.

Do you really think he deserves life in prison?
Justcurious86 · 31-35, M
None of the above. That was nothing more than a microcosm of what the country is feeling. If you look at the history of Roman we are almost exactly doing what they did as a society before Rome fell. We are a socialist society for the 1%. We need to ban together to get money out of politics. Wait until inflation really kicks in and the eviction Moratoriums end.

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PatKirby · 41-45, M

[quote][i]If you look at the history of Roman we are almost exactly doing what they did as a society before Rome fell.[/i][/quote]

A lucid and important point you make here. We are doing what Rome did before its fall precisely. Sir John Glubb explained how some empires fell in his seminal magnum opus "The Age of Empires" whose short summary can be reviewed here:

He distinctly defined 6 Ages (Pioneers, Conquest, Commerce, Affluence, Intellect, Decadence) that predictably characterized the lifespan of these notable countries :

The average age of these fallen empires was 250 years. We are now at 245 and clearly in the Age of Decadence.
dakotaviper · 51-55, M
Well, compared to the slap on the wrists those who led the lootings, arson, and killing all throughout the year of 2020 got, 8 months is very harsh.
[@1202958,dakotaviper] I see you’re dealing with douche bags from the CCP. They marginalize and justify everything their Commie brethren do. There is zero need to communicate with them. They are the reason why this site is sinking. I ignored them long ago and my experience here has vastly improved ever since.
[@1202958,dakotaviper] Oh - so you are a hick. Good to know. Engaged to your sister yet ?
Jesus Christ! I was threatened with more than that for trying to defend myself in my own kitchen by holding up a knife from the silverware drawer!
No, their actions don’t amount to treason. And when they go after the Capitol police officer who murdered an unarmed person then perhaps we can go on about what “ really” happened.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@1201381,LordShadowfireTheSarcastic] That was their stated intent. "Hang Mike Pence" wasn't a peaceful tourist chant.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
[@822235,soar2newhighs] 🤦
spjennifer · 56-60, T
Depends on what offences they committed but minimum should be like 2 years for even being there and caught inside the Capitol Building.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
[@605026,spjennifer] ‘flood the capital’ ‘climb over police barricades’, ‘take over’. I’ll make my point again, arrest both groups. And whilst we are at it, stop the ‘fact checkers’ playing word games to downplay an actual terror attack?
spjennifer · 56-60, T
[@321829,pianoplayingsteve] Not sure where you're going with Susan Rosenberg, her 60 year sentence was commuted by Bill Clinton 20 years ago so what does she have to do with the January 6th Insurrection?
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
[@605026,spjennifer] let’s say it doesn’t, so let’s address recent events that no one was sentenced for, ‘flood the Capitol’ ‘climb over the police barrier’, ‘take over’. When are they get arrested?
8 months ? - that's nothing ~ I hope they learn the true meaning of "breaking and entering" with their new prison husbands.
jackj · 56-60, M
Roger that. Anyways let’s move on. [@760047,MarmeeMarch]
[@1158,jackj] "anyways" sounds New York-ish
Xavierr · 46-50, M
Stop watching CNN.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
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No tanKz EvenZ
A bunch of 70+ year olds with trump flags.. insurectionist that need life..

BLM/antifa been burning cities down, over running court houses and police stations for a full year. Peaceful protestors.

Sit down and shut the fuvk up commie rat dog bastard
Notanymore · 36-40, M
Because theybwere protesting the government where the government actually was?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@519030,Notanymore] The Supreme Court decides what the Constitution says, not you. The Second Amendment is poorly worded and references a militia for gun ownership, as you are well aware and conveniently left out of your discourse. The Court extended that right to individuals in 2008 in the Heller v. DC decision. I love how you've just accused Scalia of a political move [b]restricting[/b] gun rights when he was one of the driving forces behind the [b]extension[/b] of gun rights.

Do you know how courts work? Courts adjudicate. They don't make prosecutorial decisions. Prosecutors aren't the courts, and are the ones who decide whether to prosecute and on which grounds. The court had nothing to do with any decision to prosecute the right-wing nuts who were threatening peaceful protesters. That would have been the decision of local prosecutors.

Do you have an example of state or local political court decisions, since you have alleged several times that the courts are political and make these decisions all the time? Or not?
Notanymore · 36-40, M
[@339454,windinhishair] it's obvious that you and I won't agree on much. And you will defend your brand loyalty til death
Dems open their mouths.. it’s only hypocrisy and irony that spews out..
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
jim44444 · 70-79, M
Nope. Quit being like Trump, calling everything treason. Their crimes did not fit the definition of treason. Sedition would be a better charge but even that is a stretch.
In this case Mr. Hodgkins’ conviction was for obstructing an official proceeding. A step above trespassing. He pled guilty. He is now a felon and his life is ruined. Eight months is fair.

[quote]18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
U.S. Code

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.[/quote]

pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
[@8129,jim44444] quit being like trump? All I’ve heard since January is ‘worse than isis’ ‘treason’ etc and I’ve seen people make despicable threats against the CHILDREN of those involved.
[@8129,jim44444] But didn't Joe Biden call them White Supremacists as well ? The stupid fuc-k...
BlueVeins · 18-21, M
Depends on the particular crime. If all they did was tresspass or maybe smash a window, fair enough. If they were one of the bastards threatening to hang the Vice President, hunting down AOC, stealing Pelosi's laptop, running around with wire tie handcuffs, rushing riot police, etc., they need to be in prison for longer.

That said, some of the insurrectionists have been put in conditions that essentially amount to solitary confinement, which is cruel and not conducive to recidivism.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
[@4199,BlueVeins] yeah but what you said never happened, so as I asked, where is your source for what caused you to believe this bold claim?
BlueVeins · 18-21, M
[@321829,pianoplayingsteve] that an officer came to get AOC & accidentally scared the shit outta her? That's not very bold.

Here you go --


And yeah, my characterization of someone "hunting down AOC" was incorrect, as previously stated.
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
it’s okay when we do it
Dan88411 · 31-35, M
That's it? How about 8 [b]years[/b], at the [b]minimum[/b].
whowasthatmaskedman · 61-69, M
It isnt long. But on the other hand its good to see that even a minor player in that drama is getting jail time. I would hate to think any of those people got a slap on the wrist and sets a benchmark for the real heavy hitters in this thing. Maybe even those who stirred it up.😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 61-69, M
[@321829,pianoplayingsteve] Morally, I agree with you. And both are wrong. But legally, our government does have the right to a higher standard of protection. Equally, they should be held to a higher standard of accountability that seems to be sadly lacking. Maybe this lesson from the people will teach them something. I wish I really believed that.😷
pianoplayingsteve · 26-30, M
They are both wrong, yet with the BLM riots, the media presents it as positively as possible, and Kamala Harris, of all people, bails them out. Whist the same media acts like with the jan 6 event, the holy shrine of humanity was attacked and to this day go nuts about it whilst portraying the death and destruction from months of BLM as ‘mostly peaceful’ or just about ‘racial justice’ means. I’m sorry but the combined fact of how long the BLM riots went on for, how much death and destruction it caused, how much the media lied to give them a free pass I think that if the US had even a shred of justice then all those rioters would be in jail AND the media ideologues who pushed for it and the democrat senators who pushed for violence should all be put in jail. And ion top of that apparently this is fine because it’s the left:

In America there is constant talk about wanting to avoid division. There would be so much less division if people on the left were not given a free pass to divide people. The government should be held to a higher standard but no. You need to realise that these ideologues on the left don’t care about being consistent, or fair, or facts, it’s just power and forcing things with bureaucracy to them. Which is why they constantly accuse everyone else of belonging to some some sort of tyrannical patriarchy.
[@321829,pianoplayingsteve] Most people I know in the real world, not the internet world of political cramping, believe that BOTH the urban riots and 6 January were criminal and that BOTH should be prosecuted with great prejudice.
swirlie · 31-35, F
But treason never actually occurred! At most, they were all guilty of break and enter, but none of them committed an act of treason.[/c]
[@580625,QuixoticSoul] I think you best watch the videos of the fucking excuse for Capitol police who abandoned their positions.That rogue cop didn’t do his/ her job. He:she short an killed an unarmed person. Tell me I’m wrong,
[@339454,windinhishair] It was not an insurrection snd your comment that if black would have been gunned down. Prove it!
windinhishair · 61-69, M
[@822235,soar2newhighs] Of course it was an insurrection, by an armed mostly white supremacist mob under Trump's direction to stop the process of certifying the electoral vote. I'm sorry you don't like the accurate characterization of his Cult and their clear intent.
nudistsueaz · 56-60, F
No way.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
[@1786,nudistsueaz] so you are in favor of passing sentence prior to the investigation being completed
nudistsueaz · 56-60, F
[@2021,MarineBob] Not at all.
jim44444 · 70-79, M
[@2021,MarineBob] Mr. Hodgkins pled guilty. He also apologized for his actions and accepted his sentence. Any investigations are irrelevant.
Burnley123 · 36-40, M
Did he say 'but Antifa' as part of his defence?

JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
[@422868,Burnley123] he didn’t.

He pled guilty. He owned up to it and acknowledged it was regrettable.
Burnley123 · 36-40, M
[@802348,JoeyFoxx] He didn't use the SW defence. Pah.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
HarmLeZz fun’s
MarkS · 51-55, M
We should riot for justice .
carpediem · 61-69, M
[@970756,MarkS] only real Americans work
MarkS · 51-55, M
[@112526,carpediem] Murca!
autumn25 · 26-30, F
The people who destroyed property or assaulted State Capitol officers are going to prison for a long time.
autumn25 · 26-30, F
[@1158,jackj] Battery against an officer may be a misdemeanor (punishable by up to one year in jail) or a felony (punishable by one year or more in prison). The more serious the battery, the more harshly the crime is punished.

For damage to the State Capitol, If the damage is more than $1k, persons convicted can spend up to 10 years in prison with higher fines.
alkynesoftrouble · 51-55, M
[@1158,jackj] how much time should a former SF sgt get for assaulting a police officers….is an excellent question.
A man who at one point took an oath to uphold and defended the constitution…damn that’s a great question..
jackj · 56-60, M
It is a great question. What do you think? [@8041,alkynesoftrouble]
beckyromero · 31-35, F
Twenty-years for sedition.
Justcurious86 · 31-35, M
Look into faucci lying to Congress
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
[@720969,Justcurious86] need some cope do ya?
spjennifer · 56-60, T
[@720969,Justcurious86] But whatabout...
[@720969,Justcurious86] Look into Trump lying to [b]everyone[/b]. The right wing couldn’t care [b]less[/b] about liars. And Fauci didn’t lie.
JeanAnna · F
They should all get at least 5 to 10 years. They went there to kill people.
Elessar · 26-30, M
You could probably face a longer sentence for being found in possession of weed lol
[@44863,Elessar] In places where it’s not legal here, that’s probably so.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M

Treason? Insurrection? You think these guys can do anything more than fill a bong?
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
[@8041,alkynesoftrouble] Just because someone votes for a particular candidate does not make them a representation of the other people that voted the same way, i.e., are you an anarchist, Marxist, long term welfare recipient?

As for proven, you can't prove anything about me. Don't impose your stereotypes on me. Your fascist intolerance is seeping through.
alkynesoftrouble · 51-55, M
[@6578,HoraceGreenley] actually, i am an anarchist....

we just left a brush with fascism.
whatever let’s you sleep at night..
no one is stereotyping anything..

just remember the people you were in line with..

peace be with you 🤣
alkynesoftrouble · 51-55, M
All of the cases should be treated as treason.
If the person was former military, remove any benefits etc
MarineBob · 56-60, M
[@8041,alkynesoftrouble] yes and I know the oath that congresspeople take also. Tearing the state of the union speech is also a protest as with all females dressing alike for it
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
[@8041,alkynesoftrouble] Just an honest observation
alkynesoftrouble · 51-55, M
No one is saying don’t protest

How many capitol police officers and protestors were harmed the speech was torn …or the wardrobe choices were made… technically, you served to protect all of that..[@2021,MarineBob]
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Another Capitol Insurrection leader is arrested

She's also wanted by the FBI. She's a hitter for a Mexican Drug Cartel
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
I do agree with you that treason should carry a sentence of death

We should start with Bill
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
[@8041,alkynesoftrouble] good point. Those days are long gone
alkynesoftrouble · 51-55, M
[@6578,HoraceGreenley] another victim of deregulation.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
[@8041,alkynesoftrouble] When were newspapers regulated? Over their entire history they have been junk, with a few having brief interludes of not being junk.

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