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Pretzel · 61-69, M
I think it should be a graduated scale. everybody shouldn't get the same punishment
the people on the outside that were just loudmouths and caused no damage - guilty of an illegal assembly and give a $500 fine
the people that broke in to locked areas are guilty of burglary (where I live) and those that had weapons during the commission of a felony (where I live) have enhanced penalties.
those that took possession of property not belonging to them have an additional theft charge added.
One person got the death penalty - administered while attempting to go through a broken window on a locked door and attempting to do who knows what to a small group of armed police officers.
Like I say, it should be graduated. anything from a suspened sentence, to a fine, to a couple of years in prison.
I understand some took possession of computer equipment - if there was anything classified on them - perhaps a charge with the Patriot Act...
What happened was free speech - until it went beyong speech and became mob actions. those that participated will have to deal with the consequences.
the people on the outside that were just loudmouths and caused no damage - guilty of an illegal assembly and give a $500 fine
the people that broke in to locked areas are guilty of burglary (where I live) and those that had weapons during the commission of a felony (where I live) have enhanced penalties.
those that took possession of property not belonging to them have an additional theft charge added.
One person got the death penalty - administered while attempting to go through a broken window on a locked door and attempting to do who knows what to a small group of armed police officers.
Like I say, it should be graduated. anything from a suspened sentence, to a fine, to a couple of years in prison.
I understand some took possession of computer equipment - if there was anything classified on them - perhaps a charge with the Patriot Act...
What happened was free speech - until it went beyong speech and became mob actions. those that participated will have to deal with the consequences.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Pretzel I agree that there should be a graduated scale of punishment, and there will be based on the charges already levied. But the highest penalty should be higher than a couple of years in prison, for trying to take down the government. And what should be done with the Congress members who gave private, illegal tours of the Capitol for reconnaissance purposes on the first five days in January?
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@windinhishair haven't heard of any of the tours (not saying it didn't happen)
at the least - a censure if it was proved that the person knew of their plans - if they knew violence was planned - then they are co-conspirators.
I don't think there was any plan to take down the government - there simply weren't enough people/guns/popular support for that to happen. that's my take on it - I think there were a few ringleaders and individuals that wanted something bad to happen and a lot of people that had no clue what the heck was about to go down.
I do think there were some real whackos that are dangerous - they need special attention - and I understand there are a few cells available in Guitmo
at the least - a censure if it was proved that the person knew of their plans - if they knew violence was planned - then they are co-conspirators.
I don't think there was any plan to take down the government - there simply weren't enough people/guns/popular support for that to happen. that's my take on it - I think there were a few ringleaders and individuals that wanted something bad to happen and a lot of people that had no clue what the heck was about to go down.
I do think there were some real whackos that are dangerous - they need special attention - and I understand there are a few cells available in Guitmo
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Pretzel There is no proof of the tours, but other congressmen and congresswomen have noted that they saw tours being given in the days leading up to the insurrection and attempted coup. Tours were not allowed at the time due to covid, so the tours were notable exceptions. Security footage should shed light on the issue if it wasn't destroyed before Trump left office, and is one of the things that the select commission will undoubtedly be looking at. Let's see where the evidence leads.
There clearly was a plan to prevent a peaceful transition to a Biden Administration and install Trump as President. That was the goal of the insurrection. I agree that there probably wasn't sufficient firepower to make that happen, but that doesn't lessen the intent for a coup. Trump even spoke about "taking your country back" and he wasn't referring to a fair election.
Censure does nothing to a Congress member. If people provided assistance to an attempted coup and overthrow of an incoming administration, they should be removed from Congress.
We need to fully investigate what happened, why it happened, and how it happened, so we can take appropriate steps to prevent a future occurrence and move forward as a nation.
There clearly was a plan to prevent a peaceful transition to a Biden Administration and install Trump as President. That was the goal of the insurrection. I agree that there probably wasn't sufficient firepower to make that happen, but that doesn't lessen the intent for a coup. Trump even spoke about "taking your country back" and he wasn't referring to a fair election.
Censure does nothing to a Congress member. If people provided assistance to an attempted coup and overthrow of an incoming administration, they should be removed from Congress.
We need to fully investigate what happened, why it happened, and how it happened, so we can take appropriate steps to prevent a future occurrence and move forward as a nation.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Pretzel ‘One person got the death penalty - administered while attempting to go through a broken window on a locked door and attempting to do who knows what to a small group of armed police officers’ yes so what exactly was an unarmed lady going to do to a group of trained, armed police officers?
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@pianoplayingsteve I have no doubt the officers acted out of fear - not sure if the offers that were struck and had a cattle prod used on them were a part of that group - but an unarmed group of people can still use leathal force.
I have no sympathy for the deceased, but I thank her for her previous uninformed service. at the time of her death she was acting in a dangerous manner and received the predictable consequences for failing to behave in a law abiding manner.
I have no sympathy for the deceased, but I thank her for her previous uninformed service. at the time of her death she was acting in a dangerous manner and received the predictable consequences for failing to behave in a law abiding manner.