If you're not willing to even look at the evidence that's out there being presented there's no sense in showing you evidence because you've already bought the media's LIE hook line and sinker you're not open to being educated
@TexChik Impressive to his fan club, not so much to anyone else. And saying he got more votes than any incumbent is misleading because the population is higher than in the past. Biden got more votes than any candidate in history for the same reason.
There is no evidence that Dominion machines changed votes or that mail-in ballots were fake. Trump brought over 60 lawsuits challenging the election, and only won one of them, something about how close poll watchers could stand to the ballot counters. Many of these were decided by judges Trump appointed himself. Only one lawsuit even alleged fraud, and when the judge asked the lawyers for evidence, they declined to present it.
Trump's administration had a record number of criminals in it. I'm looking forward to him being arrested sometime this year. Of course, his fan club will riot if that happens.
@Lila15 nonsense, there is plenty of evidence , Pennsylvania's Governor is still defying a subpoena to reveal the voting logs. I wonder why? All the states where the big cheat took place have plenty of evidence of the cheat...Especially with domininion. Now that red states have outlawed its use and cheat proofed the elections...Washington libs are worried.
@TexChik If there was evidence, Trump's legal team would have presented it in court when it would have made a difference.
Dominion is suing all of the clowns who slandered them. Even Fox News has stopped talking about Dominion. They wouldn't do that if they thought the lies were true.
The "audit" in AZ was a joke, and the one in PA will also be a joke. The only thing Democrats are worried about is the voter suppression that Republican states are pushing. Jody Hice, a congressman running for Secretary of State in GA, has promised to declare Trump the winner even if he loses. If you support that, why even have elections? Just declare Trump fuehrer and admit that you are fine with a dictatorship as long as the guy you like is in charge.
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If Congress doesn't certify the results. Federal law gives individual members of the House and Senate the power to challenge the results.
@jackjjackson it was the slowest because it was more thana”slowdown”, it was the most cataclysmic economic event since the 1930s, and the Republicans did everything possible to stop Obama from “having an accomplishment “ of resorting the economy, but he did anyway. Yea America!
@jackjjackson I am glad you don’t support civil war. Although that IS a ridiculously low bar for sanity. All trump has to do to stop the insanity is to tell his followers to stop the insanity. You people (trump supporters) are quite obedient to his pronouncements. My serious point was the enormity of not accepting the vote. And the damage he has done by saying without evidence that 5he election was rigged.
Also I think the tinfoil crowd talks a better game than anything.
@jackjjackson: @Lila15 is right I'm afraid. If the House and the Senate are split on which set of electors to accept, then responsibility devolves to the governors of the particular states.
A judge Trump appointed just dismissed Rep. Louie Gohmert’s suit against Mike Pence, which sought to force him to declare the votes of several states invalid. The suit was dismissed for lack of standing.
@whowasthatmaskedman We know the Cyber Ninjas “audit” will find 200,000 votes for Trump; their CEO said as much before they even started. So expect “audits” in other states to “prove” Trump really won.
Then what? Biden’s victory was certified by the House; that can’t be reversed. Do these people actually think Trump will be reinstated? For people who can’t stop talking about how much they love the Constitution, they’re sure ready to ignore it if it suits their purposes.
@Lila15 From here is doesnt matter. Either the audits will not have any substance, or they will be ignored. I do rely on Trump remaining Trump to destroy any remaining Cred he has in time and take those who still even whisper his name with them. To someone who has studied the Trump method from way before his foray in politics, he is obvious. A grab for other peoples money, using showman skills and the gullability of others. Its not rocket science.
It’s called Republican Election Fraud and it involves invalidating legally valid votes cast by Democratic Voters. It’s the only way Trump can “win” the election. If Trump was in college it would be called blatant cheating in order for Trump to obtain a pass.
In Georgia, as I heard this morning, Stacey Abrams put in the fix with her sister, the JUDGE who was deciding all the election cases. Stacey Abrams sister should have recused herself and did not.
I am not sure, because I can not find any updated news, but I believe the court case in Nevada has not yet been decided. That only involves 6 electoral college votes. Biden has 303, I believe, at the present moment.
However, the Pennsylvania cheating video, the illegal drop boxes in Georgia, and so much more, all over the country, is so overwhelming to Independent voters and to Conservatives in general that IF Trump can not overturn this election, Biden's presidency will be permanently tainted...stained with the dishonesty and dirty tricks which are the earmarks of Stacey Abrams and thousands of others who had to cheat to get him in.
History will view him as illegitimate, and will mock him.
1. Who said I watch CNN and MSNBC? I am not accusing of you of where you get your information. I am also not a middle aged person relying on cable news as a resource.
2. If the evidence is SO clear then why has each court case been thrown out ? - by various states with various political persuasions. Sometimes with a serious reprimand from the judge.
For someone who doesn't listen to our soon to be ex president you sure do like to spread his paranoia and lies.
Tell me, have you given to his Saving America SuperPAC? Trump is pocketing 70% of it's earnings.
THAT's the reason why he is keeping this charade up and dividing the country. It has always been about making money to Trump. ALWAYS.
That whole I won when he did not and all it spawned is why he will never be elected again. Remember he lost the popular vote in 2016 and won the electoral. Nothing but his hard core would ever vote for him again which is not enough.
@Subsumedpat It is illegal in some states to change your registration just to mess with the other party, although I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted for this. I do know that in 2008, Rush Limbaugh urged his listeners to register as Democrats and vote for Hillary in their primary in order to drag out the conflict between her and Obama as long as possible. It wasn't necessary for them to vote in the Republican primary as McCain was the sure winner by then. I don't know if anyone actually did this.
I have heard of people crossing party lines for this reason, especially in states where you can just ask for whatever party ballot you want. But I don't know if it's ever had an effect.
@Lila15 they do it sometimes where I live because you don't have to register, you simply tell them when you vote in the primary which party ballot you want.
Well I will tell you what... Biden's inauguration is 15 days away. You would think by now that Trump's supporters would have accepted the fact that their guy lost fair and square. Nope. They are still whining and crying and hoping for some sort of victory.
@SW-User News outlets do not have the authority to certify.
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@PatKirby I did not mention news outlets. I said Congress have the ultimate authority, and they’re doing that now. Trump’s grip is finally slipping. 😎👍
@PatKirby News outlets only project the winner. However, Congress just certified the Electoral vote, so Biden will be sworn in on the 20th. Trump didn’t formally concede, but he did say yesterday that there will be an orderly transition, so he’s accepted that he’s not getting a second term.
@Stargazer89 deflection noted. You are a true [removed by staff] if you think the size of a rally meant that you win elections 😂😂😂 If you really want to go down that route, Hillary had FAR bigger rallies than Trump during 2016.
@Driver2 Yes, because either the plaintiffs had no standing, or in one case, Trump’s lawyers declined to present it.
All of the claims are either fabricated or normal election procedure. If Trump was honest, he’d also be complaining about Republicans suppressing Democratic votes, such as the mile-long lines to vote in some black precincts. An honest election should mean [b]everyone[/b] eligible gets to vote with no disparate treatment.
@OggggO People who don't know the difference between the 12th amendment and the Electoral Count Act aren't going to know the difference between claims and evidence either.
"Someone said something I agree with, therefore it must be true"
@akindheart Again, if the system is so corrupt, maybe Trump should have appointed more honest judges. And you said talking to [i]me[/i] was circular. 🙄
When Mitch McConnell and Vlad Putin congratulate Biden as the winner it really is time to give up on the idea of a second term for Trump.. Just saying.........😷
@MarmeeMarch Careful.. Someone will take that as an admission there was collusion in the case of Trump. I dont really believe that collusion existed, (if only because the Trumps were too inept) but Putin certainly got a lot of mileage out of Trump, with that Russian debt hanging over him (and more recently Jared) And now those banks have already announced their intension to pursue the debt next year. It will be interesting to see who the next owner of Trump Tower is and their attitude to the Russian tenants.😷
@Frank52 Could you tell me what his last message to me was? Mildly annoying when people reply before blocking since it makes it impossible to read the reply.
@Lila15 nope . The president of the senate ( Mike Pence) presides over the proceedings . It just takes one member of the house and the senate to object to the fraud and a seconded motion to throw the election into the constitutional resolution
@TexChik The two chambers deliberate for two hours, and decide if the states whose electors are in question should be tossed out or not. Both chambers have to agree; otherwise the submitted slate stands. I don't think the Democratic House will agree to toss out the electors from any state Biden won.
The "constitutional resolution" you're referring to only kicks in if no candidate reaches 270. So that would require the Democrats in Congress to toss out all four swing states Biden won.
@Harriet03 There are more days in court ahead of him where he can cry... 🥵"Everyone is being mean and unfair to me just to make me look bad. Nobody likes me." 😫 😭
Well, let us just say that only if Congress votes in favor of him, because yeah, it goes to popular, then EC, then Congress, but all are really just dog and pony shows made by the bankers for more profit...
But really, Biden got enough winning tickets, confirmed once, twice, three times, whatever. Bleah. I think you can tell that I honestly don't care because it's all bullshit.
@Amyrakunejo Congress doesn't have to vote on anything. Their only constitutional role at this point is to count the electoral votes and verify that they are valid. By "valid," I mean to confirm that the electors were duly appointed and qualified.
@ididntknow [quote]well you’re the one that doesn’t know it’s happening, so we’ll leave it at that shall we,[/quote] I'm well aware of what's happening in reality, sadly, or perhaps gladly, I am not privilege to whatever contorted narrative is playing out inside your head. And since you refuse to share it with anyone else, I felt the least that could be done was to point out how utterly nonsensical you've been.
Isn’t the question now, where will he live? I understand that the good citizens of Mar Lago don’t want him around and he announced that he won’t leave the residence of the White House.
"When the lines-of-communication are so broken down that you might as well be attempting to convey information not by the spoken word, but rather by some obscure and arcane non-verbal dialect comprised solely of farts and tap dancing."
@Dave1955 I know - Biden's name was on the ballot! It should be like Trump's buddy in North Korea where only one name is on the ballot to prevent confusion. When Biden is sworn in, you should move there because they have honest elections.
On January 20th 2021 President-Elect Biden will be sworn-in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who will administer the Oath of Office. The authority of President will then be officially handed over to President Biden. The previous President should have vacated the White House by that time.
1) Get a court to throw out the votes, and Election (0-50+ and 2 surpeme court, we're not hearing that case, suggest this isn't happening)
2) States refuse to certify their state's vote (too late, already happened)
3) Jan 6, Congress (both the Senate and the House) refuses to certify certain states votes, to where neither canidate gets to 270 in the electoral college. Which would then go to another type of backup election which would favor the Republicans choosing the next President.
Which I've heard different rumors of how many Congress people need to refuse to make this work... but latest articles seemed to suggest possible a majority in each.
And Democrats control the House majority, and top Republicans of the Senate seem be suggesting, they're not willing to go that route.
4) Super extremes measures, such as
- Millitary takeover (if the Millitary would follow)
- Suspending or eliminating the American Constitution (which some nuts have called for, but generally speaking the Republicans are normally the one that uphold the Constitution more often and use it as a rallying call, so it'd be against Republicans nature to do that)
- Refuse to leave, and some how make it stick...
- Keep claiming you're the active President, even when someone else is clearly in the role. [b]I think this one might actually have a chance of happening the way things are currently going.[/b]
They are not much into details, but they are crowding around a crazy conspiracy/fantasy where he gets reinstated. In one version, John F. Kennedy who was assassinated in 1963 initiates this "reinstatement" storyline. In another version, the Supreme Court decrees a reinstatement. Despite both versions (or any version) there is no provision in the Constitution for a reinstatement to occur. There are no steps; there is no process. This will not happen. But, it gives "the base" something to hold on to as they attempt and fail to navigate reality.
Trump and Biden will go down in history as the two absolute worst back to back American presidents in history they both are horrible its sad having such piss poor candidates and not being able to do any better than these clowns
@ExperienceDLT Comrad Biden is destroying the USA. Trump made it a hell of a lot easier to live. Gas was cheap. Electrical car and trucks are not practical and climate change is a lie. Just like covid it is a scare tactic. Let's go Brandon.
He could see we changed the second letter to "r" and stuffed his ugly monster face with viagra and locked him in his playpen with a hollow electric baton
@Namor69 Where are you getting your information then? If it’s not on YouTube, it’s somewhere else. There’s plenty of stuff on YouTube about the claimed “fraud.”
@walabby He won't. He's making way too much money right now fleecing his followers. Once he formally declares his candidacy, he's subject to campaign finance law. Now, he can just pocket everything with no one looking over his shoulder.
If I was a Republican, I'd be worried. As long as Trump running is a possibility, no one else can openly campaign (although DeSantis is running a stealth campaign, and Cruz is always campaigning). So the longer Trump waits, the less time there is for anyone else to put an organization together, fund raise, etc.
@ididntknow No, he wouldn't, because that job entails actual work and following protocols, and Trump is terrible at that. He'd just use it as a platform to go after people he didn't like. He'd be completely ineffective. Trust me, the GOP leadership doesn't want him to be Speaker. If the Republicans win a House majority, they will elect McCarthy or someone else who is already there and knows how things work.
Trump is going to just keep raising money until the last minute. If he's not under indictment, he will anoint a successor. I'm not sure who that will be. It has to be someone who supports him 100% but also has a shot at winning because Trump hates it when he endorses a loser.
@Pretzel Or double speak for I will cross that bridge when I get there. He also might not want to say no right now because he knows the Democrats (in his camp anyway) have nobody to replace him that can win a primary let along a general election.
