If you're not willing to even look at the evidence that's out there being presented there's no sense in showing you evidence because you've already bought the media's LIE hook line and sinker you're not open to being educated
@TexChik Impressive to his fan club, not so much to anyone else. And saying he got more votes than any incumbent is misleading because the population is higher than in the past. Biden got more votes than any candidate in history for the same reason.
There is no evidence that Dominion machines changed votes or that mail-in ballots were fake. Trump brought over 60 lawsuits challenging the election, and only won one of them, something about how close poll watchers could stand to the ballot counters. Many of these were decided by judges Trump appointed himself. Only one lawsuit even alleged fraud, and when the judge asked the lawyers for evidence, they declined to present it.
Trump's administration had a record number of criminals in it. I'm looking forward to him being arrested sometime this year. Of course, his fan club will riot if that happens.
@Lila15 nonsense, there is plenty of evidence , Pennsylvania's Governor is still defying a subpoena to reveal the voting logs. I wonder why? All the states where the big cheat took place have plenty of evidence of the cheat...Especially with domininion. Now that red states have outlawed its use and cheat proofed the elections...Washington libs are worried.
@TexChik If there was evidence, Trump's legal team would have presented it in court when it would have made a difference.
Dominion is suing all of the clowns who slandered them. Even Fox News has stopped talking about Dominion. They wouldn't do that if they thought the lies were true.
The "audit" in AZ was a joke, and the one in PA will also be a joke. The only thing Democrats are worried about is the voter suppression that Republican states are pushing. Jody Hice, a congressman running for Secretary of State in GA, has promised to declare Trump the winner even if he loses. If you support that, why even have elections? Just declare Trump fuehrer and admit that you are fine with a dictatorship as long as the guy you like is in charge.
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If Congress doesn't certify the results. Federal law gives individual members of the House and Senate the power to challenge the results.
@jackjjackson it was the slowest because it was more thana”slowdown”, it was the most cataclysmic economic event since the 1930s, and the Republicans did everything possible to stop Obama from “having an accomplishment “ of resorting the economy, but he did anyway. Yea America!
@jackjjackson I am glad you don’t support civil war. Although that IS a ridiculously low bar for sanity. All trump has to do to stop the insanity is to tell his followers to stop the insanity. You people (trump supporters) are quite obedient to his pronouncements. My serious point was the enormity of not accepting the vote. And the damage he has done by saying without evidence that 5he election was rigged.
Also I think the tinfoil crowd talks a better game than anything.
@jackjjackson: @Lila15 is right I'm afraid. If the House and the Senate are split on which set of electors to accept, then responsibility devolves to the governors of the particular states.
Anyone who genuinely thinks Trump has any hope of success in his ludicrous attempts to subvert democracy by cheating his way around the election result is completely batshit crazy and in serious need of a reality check.
@HoraceGreenley absolutely comrade, we must be vigilant , it’s obvious Joe Biden and all Democrat voters are raging Commies who’ll stop at nothing until the USA resembles the old Soviet Union.
A judge Trump appointed just dismissed Rep. Louie Gohmert’s suit against Mike Pence, which sought to force him to declare the votes of several states invalid. The suit was dismissed for lack of standing.
@whowasthatmaskedman We know the Cyber Ninjas “audit” will find 200,000 votes for Trump; their CEO said as much before they even started. So expect “audits” in other states to “prove” Trump really won.
Then what? Biden’s victory was certified by the House; that can’t be reversed. Do these people actually think Trump will be reinstated? For people who can’t stop talking about how much they love the Constitution, they’re sure ready to ignore it if it suits their purposes.
@Lila15 From here is doesnt matter. Either the audits will not have any substance, or they will be ignored. I do rely on Trump remaining Trump to destroy any remaining Cred he has in time and take those who still even whisper his name with them. To someone who has studied the Trump method from way before his foray in politics, he is obvious. A grab for other peoples money, using showman skills and the gullability of others. Its not rocket science.
lol it's just so sad. You're watching a video of people doing a job you don't understand and you think it's blowing the lid off a conspiracy? Like these people were going to commit a crime that would land them in jail and just forgot that the building they work in all day has several cameras filming them?
You're a conspiracy nut, just like a flat earther. You see what you want to see and shut you brain off.
The train isn't stopping, bud. That's a tough pill for you to swallow but OPEN WIIIIDE lo
It’s called Republican Election Fraud and it involves invalidating legally valid votes cast by Democratic Voters. It’s the only way Trump can “win” the election. If Trump was in college it would be called blatant cheating in order for Trump to obtain a pass.
All the states' official election boards have certified their votes. All the lower courts and states' supreme courts agreed.
There are no constitutional arguments to be made, although the Google search constitutional scholars' will tell you otherwise.
The only path he has, is for the state houses to invalidate voters wishes, and send electoral voters who will cast their votes for Trump. That's no longer a scenario, because Governors of these states certified results.
Trump was all excited today, because an Alabama Congressman said he's going to challenge the electoral college vote, when Congress meets in a joint session on January 6th, 2021, to certify the Dec 14 electoral college vote.
@Northwest Assuming Mo Brooks actually follows through on that, wouldn't it be like proposing a bill? Congress would vote on the challenge, strike it down, and that would be it. It would put many Republicans in a difficult position, as on one hand, they'd want to vote down this nonsense, but on the other, at least a few of them will be afraid of the "tweet of death" and being primaried in two years by an even Trumpier Republican.
@LeopoldBloom I have no idea what they're planning on doing. Thursday night, they were all giddy following some video from a Georgia county. Hannity had a while segment about it. Giualiani was tweeting about the smoking gun, and Trump would not shut up about it. Even the Governor made a statement calling for an audit and Fox had nothing but that on its front page.
So, bright and early yesterday, election officials met and did an audit. They uncovered no fraud and debunked the video. They announced their findings mid day PST, and poof, instantly the story disappeared from Fox as fraud and they reported on it as debunked, the Governor stopped talking about it. Who's still re-tweeting the debunked allegations? Trump.
In Georgia, as I heard this morning, Stacey Abrams put in the fix with her sister, the JUDGE who was deciding all the election cases. Stacey Abrams sister should have recused herself and did not.
I am not sure, because I can not find any updated news, but I believe the court case in Nevada has not yet been decided. That only involves 6 electoral college votes. Biden has 303, I believe, at the present moment.
However, the Pennsylvania cheating video, the illegal drop boxes in Georgia, and so much more, all over the country, is so overwhelming to Independent voters and to Conservatives in general that IF Trump can not overturn this election, Biden's presidency will be permanently tainted...stained with the dishonesty and dirty tricks which are the earmarks of Stacey Abrams and thousands of others who had to cheat to get him in.
History will view him as illegitimate, and will mock him.
1. Who said I watch CNN and MSNBC? I am not accusing of you of where you get your information. I am also not a middle aged person relying on cable news as a resource.
2. If the evidence is SO clear then why has each court case been thrown out ? - by various states with various political persuasions. Sometimes with a serious reprimand from the judge.
For someone who doesn't listen to our soon to be ex president you sure do like to spread his paranoia and lies.
Tell me, have you given to his Saving America SuperPAC? Trump is pocketing 70% of it's earnings.
THAT's the reason why he is keeping this charade up and dividing the country. It has always been about making money to Trump. ALWAYS.
Basically all he can do right now is try to pull a coup, which is highly unlikely to be successful. It is over. The people who think otherwise are either divorced from reality, or have alternative goals that benefit from continuing the charade.
@LeopoldBloom Yep, even if Trump was able to manipulate Kemp into somehow giving him Georgia’s 16 electoral votes at this juncture, it would still be way less than Biden’s number. The people have spoken, and Trump’s out.
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It is killing Kemp..they aren’t about to change anything...it was a clean election here.@bijouxbroussard
That whole I won when he did not and all it spawned is why he will never be elected again. Remember he lost the popular vote in 2016 and won the electoral. Nothing but his hard core would ever vote for him again which is not enough.
@Subsumedpat It is illegal in some states to change your registration just to mess with the other party, although I don't know if anyone has ever been prosecuted for this. I do know that in 2008, Rush Limbaugh urged his listeners to register as Democrats and vote for Hillary in their primary in order to drag out the conflict between her and Obama as long as possible. It wasn't necessary for them to vote in the Republican primary as McCain was the sure winner by then. I don't know if anyone actually did this.
I have heard of people crossing party lines for this reason, especially in states where you can just ask for whatever party ballot you want. But I don't know if it's ever had an effect.
@Lila15 they do it sometimes where I live because you don't have to register, you simply tell them when you vote in the primary which party ballot you want.
1. When Congress counts the electoral votes on Dec. 14, they refuse to count certain states because of "irregularities." However, there's no constitutional mechanism for this. Congress is not a court of law, and no evidence of voter fraud may be presented. You would also need a majority to go along with this.
2. A case is brought to the Supreme Court, which nullifies the election. Again, there's no constitutional mechanism for this. Also, the Supreme Court doesn't hear evidence; it rules on questions of law when the evidence is not in dispute. That's not the case here when not everyone agrees that there was fraud in the first place.
3. Insurrection. This would require coordination and logistical planning. We would know if this was happening. Trump would be taking to the military and organizing a coup. The problem with this is it would be blatantly unconstitutional; in fact, it would render the Constitution null and void.
4. I'm sure some people think that on January 20, Chief Justice Roberts can simply decide to swear Trump in instead of Biden and settle it that way.
@jackjjackson Doesn’t matter. The courts confirmed that change. That only applies to PA and NC. Tossing the late ballots wouldn’t change the results anyway.
@Stargazer89 deflection noted. You are a true [removed by staff] if you think the size of a rally meant that you win elections 😂😂😂 If you really want to go down that route, Hillary had FAR bigger rallies than Trump during 2016.
@Driver2 Yes, because either the plaintiffs had no standing, or in one case, Trump’s lawyers declined to present it.
All of the claims are either fabricated or normal election procedure. If Trump was honest, he’d also be complaining about Republicans suppressing Democratic votes, such as the mile-long lines to vote in some black precincts. An honest election should mean everyone eligible gets to vote with no disparate treatment.
@OggggO People who don't know the difference between the 12th amendment and the Electoral Count Act aren't going to know the difference between claims and evidence either.
"Someone said something I agree with, therefore it must be true"
Trump could declare martial law , cite massive election fraud and set another “ in person only “ Election Day .
Or the Supreme Court could declare the election is not certifiable and suggest that an electoral tie exists ( no one reaching 270) without those states in question being counted and that the constitutional solution is for house to select the president and the senate elect the Vice President . One vote per state .
When Mitch McConnell and Vlad Putin congratulate Biden as the winner it really is time to give up on the idea of a second term for Trump.. Just saying.........😷
@MarmeeMarch Careful.. Someone will take that as an admission there was collusion in the case of Trump. I dont really believe that collusion existed, (if only because the Trumps were too inept) but Putin certainly got a lot of mileage out of Trump, with that Russian debt hanging over him (and more recently Jared) And now those banks have already announced their intension to pursue the debt next year. It will be interesting to see who the next owner of Trump Tower is and their attitude to the Russian tenants.😷
Well I will tell you what... Biden's inauguration is 15 days away. You would think by now that Trump's supporters would have accepted the fact that their guy lost fair and square. Nope. They are still whining and crying and hoping for some sort of victory.
@SW-User News outlets do not have the authority to certify.
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@PatKirby I did not mention news outlets. I said Congress have the ultimate authority, and they’re doing that now. Trump’s grip is finally slipping. 😎👍
@PatKirby News outlets only project the winner. However, Congress just certified the Electoral vote, so Biden will be sworn in on the 20th. Trump didn’t formally concede, but he did say yesterday that there will be an orderly transition, so he’s accepted that he’s not getting a second term.
@BigGuy2 No, that was set in motion by Trump's painfully obvious legitimacy crisis when he tried to torpedo a perfectly normal counterintel investigation.
Oh, and the Trump campaign chairman did get pinched for - you guessed it, Russian collusion.
@QuixoticSoul 🤔 ... so, evidence of Russian Collusion, or is it going to be a CNN version of events ... ie Reporter stating there is no evidence of violent protests as a Federal Court building burns behind him ... 🤣🤣🤣
Looking at this from a totally dispassionate and intellectual viewpoint, there is no court in the land that will even remotely look at a case of this magnitude without "Evidence", some proof of wrongdoing. I would therefor ask only 1 simple question, where is the evidence, the proof? If Rudy Giuliani does indeed have hundreds of thousands of affidavits proving "Voter fraud" what are they waiting for to present that evidence in a court of law so a judge can determine if there was indeed voter fraud... Either put up or shut up, "Enquiring minds want to know" one way or the other.
@jackjjackson Once the signature on the outer envelope is verified, the inner blank envelope with the ballot is removed and the ballot tallied. Since it’s a secret ballot, there’s no way to match a given ballot with the signature at that point. So a “signature audit” is meaningless, even if the outer envelopes were saved.
@jackjjackson So they check the signatures on the empty envelopes? Were they even saved? Let’s say they find that 10 of them were questionable and the voters don’t cure them. That won’t make the SOS decertify them.
@OggggO I personally would love to see that skirt Milli defy an order from the commander in chief.. do you even know how shit works? The ppl vote for the chief... not the unelected bureaucrats.the chief tells milli what to do..
There is no legal mechanism by which Trump can "win" the election, because he got fewer electoral votes and that's all that matters.
Even his efforts at a coup (typically incompetent) have been in vain, but all that is mostly just a con to grift Cult45 out of their money. It's all about the money for Trump. And maybe avoiding prison.
@PainfulTruth that’s been debunked by Georgia’s own Republican election officials. It’s standard procedure to scan the ballots in suitcases once then observers and vote counters have left the arena.
@Harriet03 There are more days in court ahead of him where he can cry... 🥵"Everyone is being mean and unfair to me just to make me look bad. Nobody likes me." 😫 😭
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i do love his latest strategy...using a state AG who is under more than one investigation...to file a suit that he has no standing on...
i am loving the the idea that conservatives are eating each other alive
@OggggO I saw that. It looks like the electors will vote on Monday, although I'm sure our MAGA friends will be saying that it can still be reversed with the right lawsuit.
If neither candidate reaches 270 it goes to what they call a Congressional vote a congressional is vote is one vote per state 50 votes Trump won 28 States Biden 16, 6 are in question. Then it becomes a simple majority vote just what liberals always wanted if Biden still gets the six that are in question it's still 28 to 22 Trump wins it's all spelled out in our constitution. the Constitution is an amazing document if you ever have time to read it. it has solutions for every possible conceivable problem in government but the most important thing is it limits government the people are supposed to still have the power.
but you didn't see thousands of people out rioting in the streets that are conservatives
It's not even a new thing, he's been encouraging this since he was a primary candidate: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-warns-supporters-may-riot-fears-violence-escalate-n540516
@dale74 Right wing media grossly exaggerated how "violent" those protests were. In some cases, they showed footage from Belarus and claimed it was the U.S. Most of the violence came from right wingers like Kyle Rittenhouse, or the cops themselves. From what I hear from people in Portland, if you were a few blocks away from the protests, you wouldn't have known they were even going on.
But if you think there were violent left wing protests, what do you think will happen if Trump manages to steal this election and stay in power? We'll have a civil war.
Isn’t the question now, where will he live? I understand that the good citizens of Mar Lago don’t want him around and he announced that he won’t leave the residence of the White House.
Prove the fraud, take it to local courts, gets thrown out out by local corrupt judges, moves on up to the Supreme Court, where the republicans have a majority, wins his case, gets another four years, Hopefully 🤔 But this election was definitely fraudulent, proof coming out everyday,
@ididntknow The Supreme Court does not rule on questions of evidence, it rules on questions of law. That means you can't take a case to the Supreme Court unless both sides are in total agreement as to the facts. So you're stuck with the lower court rulings.
@Lila15 nope . The president of the senate ( Mike Pence) presides over the proceedings . It just takes one member of the house and the senate to object to the fraud and a seconded motion to throw the election into the constitutional resolution
@TexChik The two chambers deliberate for two hours, and decide if the states whose electors are in question should be tossed out or not. Both chambers have to agree; otherwise the submitted slate stands. I don't think the Democratic House will agree to toss out the electors from any state Biden won.
The "constitutional resolution" you're referring to only kicks in if no candidate reaches 270. So that would require the Democrats in Congress to toss out all four swing states Biden won.
He doesn’t...the rest of the process is mechanical. 12/14 the delegates vote..
Trump is already renovating part of Mara Lago... He knows it’s over.. he keeps making noise to raise money for his PAC...that will go toward legal battles..
@Frank52 Could you tell me what his last message to me was? Mildly annoying when people reply before blocking since it makes it impossible to read the reply.
The real question you need to be asking yourself is how does the US disentangle itself from the outside influence of China etc who tried and if unchallenged succeeded in corrupting the US election. This is not a Trump/Biden squabble. This is a national disgrace that this level (any level is too much) of fraud has been perpetrated in the nation. A first world country that can't control its voter list or the number ballots that come in or even an accurate count of the ballots that have arrived? Seriously? There is something rotten in the state of the US, to paraphrase Shakespeare. Something has to be done or the US will no longer be a republic.
@hippyjoe1955 The state government, which certified the election, said that those suitcases are regular ballot containers. You’re free to think what you want but the results won’t change.
On January 20th 2021 President-Elect Biden will be sworn-in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, who will administer the Oath of Office. The authority of President will then be officially handed over to President Biden. The previous President should have vacated the White House by that time.
"When the lines-of-communication are so broken down that you might as well be attempting to convey information not by the spoken word, but rather by some obscure and arcane non-verbal dialect comprised solely of farts and tap dancing."
Cult Leadership: Narcissistic sense of self. Basically they believe they were born to be better than others. In fact, they are tempted to believe that no one else can be better than them. They are basically arrogant and are driven and motivated by a spirit of pride. Eventually they claim or imply or insinuate they have power, position and authority that is exclusively godlike. They not only claim to speak for GOD, but they teach that disobeying the leader is equivalent to disobeying GOD. 🤔
1) Get a court to throw out the votes, and Election (0-50+ and 2 surpeme court, we're not hearing that case, suggest this isn't happening)
2) States refuse to certify their state's vote (too late, already happened)
3) Jan 6, Congress (both the Senate and the House) refuses to certify certain states votes, to where neither canidate gets to 270 in the electoral college. Which would then go to another type of backup election which would favor the Republicans choosing the next President.
Which I've heard different rumors of how many Congress people need to refuse to make this work... but latest articles seemed to suggest possible a majority in each.
And Democrats control the House majority, and top Republicans of the Senate seem be suggesting, they're not willing to go that route.
4) Super extremes measures, such as
- Millitary takeover (if the Millitary would follow)
- Suspending or eliminating the American Constitution (which some nuts have called for, but generally speaking the Republicans are normally the one that uphold the Constitution more often and use it as a rallying call, so it'd be against Republicans nature to do that)
- Refuse to leave, and some how make it stick...
- Keep claiming you're the active President, even when someone else is clearly in the role. I think this one might actually have a chance of happening the way things are currently going.