How does Trump win the election?

I’m genuinely curious. What is the mechanism where he wins another term and is sworn in on January 20? I’m interested in Trump supporters explaining how he will accomplish this. I keep hearing people say it’s not over yet but I’m not clear on the specific steps.

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LeopoldBloom · M

The dead-enders have several theories.

1. When Congress counts the electoral votes on Dec. 14, they refuse to count certain states because of "irregularities." However, there's no constitutional mechanism for this. Congress is not a court of law, and no evidence of voter fraud may be presented. You would also need a majority to go along with this.

2. A case is brought to the Supreme Court, which nullifies the election. Again, there's no constitutional mechanism for this. Also, the Supreme Court doesn't hear evidence; it rules on questions of law when the evidence is not in dispute. That's not the case here when not everyone agrees that there was fraud in the first place.

3. Insurrection. This would require coordination and logistical planning. We would know if this was happening. Trump would be taking to the military and organizing a coup. The problem with this is it would be blatantly unconstitutional; in fact, it would render the Constitution null and void.

4. I'm sure some people think that on January 20, Chief Justice Roberts can simply decide to swear Trump in instead of Biden and settle it that way.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

None of you has attempted to address the real problem the dems created for themselves.

The Constitution requires that state legislatures create election procedures ams no one else. This year state’s secretaries of states, governors and voter services changed election procedures often many times and often very late in the game without the approvals of state legislatures. In cases where this argument is made it is more likely that the SCOTUS accept those cases because of the Constitutional question involved. We will see.

@LeopoldBloom

Uachtarain · 31-35, M

@jackjjackson All the state legislatures, every last one of them, Democrat or Republican, said the votes had been conducted legitimately.

You would not be coming up with these ridiculously obtuse theories if Trump had won.

Newsflash: He didn’t win. In fact, he lost. Bigly 😂

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Not true. For example the PA legislature has its own case headed to the SCOTUS @Uachtarain

Uachtarain · 31-35, M

@jackjjackson show me a link (that isn’t OAN) because I can’t find any evidence of this.

Lila15 · 22-25, F

@jackjjackson Even of that is decided in Trump’s favor, he still loses.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Here’s one from a local PA newspaper. Next step SCOTUS

https://www.goerie.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/30/pa-supreme-court-rebukes-us-rep-mike-kelly-others-election-case/6453922002/

@Uachtarain

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

All that is needed is one. The same principal applies to every battleground state. @Lila15

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson There is no way the Supreme Court will invalidate 2.5 million mail-in ballots because Kelly is questioning a handful of them. And if they were stupid enough to do that, Congress will ignore them and certify the PA electors anyway.

And even if everyone loses their minds and the entire PA election is invalidated, that has no effect on the other states. You would need a separate suit in each one. And the same thing could apply to the states Trump won.

I know you're pinning your hopes on some magical decision that invalidates the entire election. If that happens, then we have no electoral votes, and when Trump's term expires at noon on Jan. 20, per the Presidential Succession Act, Nancy Pelosi will become president, and will serve until the next president is elected in 2024. Or, if she retires in 2022, then the next Speaker becomes president. There is no constitutional mechanism to re-do the election, as the dates are fixed and would require an amendment to change.

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson I just read the entire article. There's nothing there about Kelly appealing his case to SCOTUS. Since the state already confirmed the slate of electors, there's no way SCOTUS will interfere at this point as the deadline is next week. Recall the 2000 case where SCOTUS put a stop to the recount in FL because they needed a result by the deadline. Since we already have a result in PA, there's no need for SCOTUS to get involved.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Your fear SCOTUS resolving this. @LeopoldBloom

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson You fear they won’t.

Even if those votes are tossed, Biden still wins PA.

Even if Biden loses PA, he still wins.

SCOTUS cannot nullify the entire election. But if it makes you feel better to think they can, then please hang onto that. A fool’s paradise looks good to someone who has no chance of getting into any other kind.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

The same behavior in PA applies to every swing state. @LeopoldBloom

Uachtarain · 31-35, M

@jackjjackson Well, if you want to look at it like that, then it applies to ALL the states, including the ones Trump won.

I tell you, some of the Republican-leaning counties in Ohio, Texas and especially Florida had some extremely suspicious tallies...

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Fair enough. @Uachtarain

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson Even if that's true, and even assuming that the PA case gets to the Supreme Court, Trump can't just say "oh, and the other states were just as bad, so I get to be president." He'd have to make the same argument for each state, and as I said earlier, the Supreme Court rules on questions of law where the evidence is not disputed. That's not the case in most states where the "argument" such as it is, is over fake ballots or Dominion machines or whatever.

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

The SCOTUS would say the same principle applies to the states with the same facts duh. @LeopoldBloom

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson What states are those?

jackjjackson · 61-69, M

Someone other than the legislature changed the election rules. @LeopoldBloom

LeopoldBloom · M

@jackjjackson Doesn’t matter. The courts confirmed that change. That only applies to PA and NC. Tossing the late ballots wouldn’t change the results anyway.