Are Catholics, Jews, Mormons considered Christians?

@caesar7 Mary Baker Eddy started the First Church of Christ, Scientist. Who does she sounds like?

@57phoseman Written by a convicted con artist no less. You'd almost think the people tithing 10 percent of their income would have considered that. Guess not.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged", the most taken out of context line of scripture ever...

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24 KJV

(don't judge by your standards, judge by His standards)

as for all these watered down, modern versions of the Bible that use every opportunity to remove Jesus's name or words like "grace", or momons that add their fiction to the Bible...

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." - Revelations 22:18-19 KJV

@LadyGrace 🙏🙏🙏

@Nevaeh0081 ❤❤❤🤗🤗🤗

So that leaves out most Republicans

@Diotrephes Look, my friend, fairy tales are one category of things. It is facetious to equate them to spirituality that has inspired the formation of social cultures that gave us ways to articulate affection for one another: between man and wife, parents and offspring, brothers and sisters, friends.

You may not give a damn about religion but that is you. And you are free to do with yourself any way you want. If you think religion is fairy tale, that is your right.

@sree251 Thank you for agreeing with my opinion.

@FrogManSometimesLooksBothWays

Yes, I believe, they believe in "The Trinity."

@LadyGrace I agree with that. People can claim to be apart of the most doctrinally sound flavor of Christianity, yet be a Christian in name only.

@deadgerbil [quote] Mormons, that's where you have a Christian based group, that's gone ahead and added another book to the mix and that's where you start to really stray from conventional Christianity, whether that be protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, etc.[/quote]

I hope you won't associate Christianity with mormonism. Their belief systems are totally different. They believe salvation is work based, earned, whereas Christians do not. It's not biblical.

@LadyGrace ok ©️

@Soossie I don't believe she would honor that distinction. We will see.

And I will leave it up to you to argue it. I'll just block all notifications on this post! 🤣

@LadyGrace
[i]"Not "all" have Abrahamic beliefs. Some choose to consign themselves to strictly worshipping idols."[/i]

The OP is about three specific religions/denominations. None of which worship idols. Judaism and Christianity are both 100% Abrahamic faiths. Not sure about Mormons. Yes, they read and believe in The Bible. Which is, in itself, an Abrahamic text. However, Mormons also believe in "American prophets"🤷‍♂️

@Soossie Yes they are. 👍

@LadyGrace Fine. I yield to your BFF relationship with Christ.

@room101 You don't know what you're talking about and you don't know me. It would be nice if you could carry on a decent conversation without the necessity of trying to insult me or my beliefs. That's what mature people do.

@LadyGrace I don't know you, that much is true. BUT, I can read and your thoughts are all over this post. Including your analogy of Christ being your best friend, aka BFF🤷‍♂️

So no, not an insult. Simply your words reflected back to you.

@Human1000 I think He doesn't appreciate your name then claims. They contradict each other and reflect poorly on Him.

@LadyGrace You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

@Diotrephes [quote]Which gate will you pass through to enter the golden cube called New Jerusalem?[/quote]

Huh?

@Northwest [quote]Huh?[/quote]

If you are so inclined, you can find the answer by reading Revelation chapters 20, 21, and 22 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation+20-22&version=NKJV

@Diotrephes that’s just what David koreish said.

@Iwillwait I agree with you, except on one point: God the Father made the Plan of Salvation and set the standard for mankind to be able to be saved, and it is not up to man to change it. If we do not adhere to what God says about how to be saved, then we will not be saved, and I think you would agree with that. God's Plan of Salvation was for all mankind and it applies to everyone. If man tries to save his own self and set his own rules, they won't work no matter if they call themselves Christian or not. Jesus said we cannot work for our salvation. We are saved by the grace of God and his work on the cross to save us, upon putting our trust in Jesus and accepting him as our Savior. Some don't and won't accept God's plan. They won't be saved, that being the case. For example:

For a Mormon to achieve salvation they must do the following:

Believe in Jesus Christ.

[b]Be baptised into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[/b] Nope! That's "works"! And they are not the only ones who will be saved in this world.

[b]Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands by a person with priesthood authority.[/b] Sorry, but priests have no authority from God to give the gift of the Holy Ghost. Only Jesus can do that. Priests still have mortal sin. They are no holier than anyone else. That is, we all have sins and so does he so he cannot forgive sins nor give the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[b]Endure the tests of their life on earth.[/b] Self-work again, in an effort to earn and keep God's favor. We [u]already[/u] have God's favor....it's called [i]God's grace[/i].

These above man-made rules, are revised and are just the opposite of God's standard for salvation. The above are called "works" or "working" for one's own salvation. The Bible clearly states that one cannot be saved by "works" or good deeds...not by our own efforts.

@LadyGrace all true but one discrepancy I can see and that's the definition of "Christian," does not have the same definition as "Saved," for Salvation. GOD is Clear I how we are to be Saved.

The Mormon/LDS view themselves as Christians and believe in Christ Jesus, my understanding is they also believe there are more prophets.

@Iwillwait Those two terms seem to be confused by some today. And this has nothing to do with you. I'm just stating that Society has these terms mixed up. For example, some may [i]call[/i] or view themselves as Christians, and actually believe it, but they're not, because they're following the wrong doctrine, so they're really not Christians if they're not following Christ's doctrine. They are not following [u]Christ[/u], they are following some type of [u]man-made doctrine[/u]. Doing so, will not get them to heaven. Even the devil believes in God, but he's not going to heaven. It matters what we believe, and why. That's something we don't want to get wrong.

@Nevaeh0081 I know there are some good things about church. I think growing up in a church is the reason why I love art, literature, and classical music. I was never really close to any of the members and my best friend growing up was kind of a Jack Mormon too.

@Lostpoet If you don't care for practices in that church, why have you not found one that you like?

@LadyGrace I think it's because I'm still emotionally attached to the church all my friends and family are LDS or pretending to be. Where I grew up everyone was pretty much apart of the church it wasn't until like Jr.High that I realized there are other kids with other faiths. My favorite college team is part of the church my self identity is part of the church I'm just not part of the church because of what I've witnessed and fist hand been put through in my eyes there is no way Mormonism was Gods plan.

I am deeply Christian though and have always had God and Jesus in my heart. Maybe one day I'll go looking for a Christian sect that fits my understanding of what God wants from us. But I'll probably wait until I have kids and a family of my own before I do that.

@DarkHeaven Do you mean that a Jewish person is not necessarily a practitioner of Judaism? This is a clearer way of putting it. The phrase "practicing Jew" is similar to "practicing Mongol". It's not only awkward to put it that way but also inaccurate. Although Judaism is a faith of Jews, not all Jews profess that religion.

We all know what a Jew is just as we know what a Turk or Greek is. In the case of the Jew, Judaism is rooted in the cultural origin of the Jew. This is truly unique in human anthropology. Even the Chinese people, whose cultural identity goes way back, don't have a distinct religion shaping it.

@sree251 Technically that's true. A Jew who practices Christianity is literally a practicing Jew. But in everyday use, the term "practicing Jew" is only used for people who practice Judaism, since that's the traditional religion of Jews. A Jewish Christian would simply be called a Jewish Christian.
Language is far from perfect.

@BohemianBoo Christian Jew sounds better. "Jewish" has the religious connotation associated with Judaism.

Come to think of it, even Christian Jew sounds odd. This is because the idea of a Jew is stamped into our heads by the story of Jesus.

@deadgerbil I woke up early and it's now getting late 😶

@deadgerbil dats my excuse

@Fishy forget the book of Mormon, here we have a fish with the book of excuses

@SlaveEt You can roll your eyes all you want, but you cannot assert control of the conversation in the public space. You have stated your point of view and I have stated mine. It is a multi-polar space for all points of view. No hegemonic bully must be allowed to dominate the conversation.

@sree251
I agree with you completely...😊

@SlaveEt Ok then. Present your argument by all means to counter mine as earnestly as you want. It's quite acceptable. Just don't roll your eyes.

@Nevaeh0081 i have no bad words to say about the being in charge of the universe, i have nothing but things to say about the corruptible humans that are left in charge down here in the creation. I have very strong spirituality and live my life in the celestial's name doing my good works in their honor, but when bad things are done in the name of this name of them i have to question why those people feel that is what a loving creator would be happy with..

@DiegoWolfe I can feel you on that. God can give truth/religion to man. But man can bend and use it to his own will. Truth. I can understand what you're trying to say. And it is sad. Very sad.

@Nevaeh0081 it is sad yes, and i am always reluctant to talk beliefs and faith cause what i see and how i see it is not "normal" due to seeing so much bad being done by those who claimed to be good and doubting the words of man in living as the creator decreed....

@BlueSkyKing Do you Believe there's more than 2 genders? Hope it's a yes.

@BlueSkyKing it's backwards to think there's only 2 genders

@BlueSkyKing There's over 800 gender indentities and it's backwards to think there's only 2 gender identities.

@BohemianBoo There you go with the word MOST again. Meanwhile, you're the only one saying such stuff.

Mate, seriously, read up on the history of Christianity. One doesn't have to prove that the Resurrection happened. We can see, in the historical record, the rise of a new belief system called Christianity.

Initially, the devotees of this new religion were persecuted (hence the Ichthys symbol that I have on my right arm, it was essentially a secret symbol used by Christians).

Some 400 years later, Catholicism began. At that time, what we now identify as followers of the Orthodox and Catholic denominations were ONE CHURCH.

The Great Schism happened in 1054 over a combination of disagreements relating to doctrine and politics.

@room101 [quote]There you go with the word MOST again. Meanwhile, you're the only one saying such stuff.

Mate, seriously, read up on the history of Christianity. One doesn't have to prove that the Resurrection happened. We can see, in the historical record, the rise of a new belief system called Christianity.[/quote]

Do I really have to prove that secular scholars consider Christianity to have begone with the belief in the teachings of the New Testament, as opposed to the Resurrection, which is mythology?
We don't know if the Resurrection happened. All we know is that at some point, people believe it did. And that marks the beginning of Christianity.

[quote]Now let's go a step further. Islam. Islam incorporates both the Old and New Testaments with one major distinction. It does not accept Christ as the Son of God. He is basically relegated to that of any other prophet. Islam then adds the teachings of Muhammad who declares himself as the final prophet.[/quote]

So even though parts of the Old Testament are part of Islam, the religion of the Old Testament is not Islam. Likewise, it's not Judaism, though the Old Testament is part of both Judaism and Christianity.

[quote]The Old Testament is the story of the Jews.[/quote]

I really think this is where most of the confusion comes from. The people you're referring to weren't the Jews, the Jews didn't exist as an ethnic group yet. When the Bible and Torah are translated, these people are usually referred to as Jews, but they're actually "Israelites" or "Hebrews." The term "Jew" came about later to describe the people who believed in Judaism. Israelite Christians were not seen as Jews.
Today, the term has evolved and Jewishness is defined by ancestry, not religion. But the beginning of the ethnicity was the establishment of Judaism.

[quote]Some 400 years later, Catholicism began. At that time, what we now identify as followers of the Orthodox and Catholic denominations were ONE CHURCH.[/quote]

Yes, I know. That's why I said Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism began with the Great Schism. Before that, neither church existed, they were born out of the Great Church splitting.

@AthrillatheHunt Jesus primary identification is not Jew... He is way above such human identifiers...

Calling Jesus a Jew is like calling a Cow boy riding a horse,, a horse..

@Adstar Jesus primary identification was most definitely that of a Jew .

@AthrillatheHunt Well we disagree on that particular point then..

@bugeye Why do you view the Mormons that way? What about the Amish?

@sree251 basically the same thing but pays little to no respect to the source material. they call themselves Christian (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) , worship the same deity, but have an entirely new book that most other Christians don't follow. some other christian groups say they're not Christian though because of the book of Mormon.

hence the Netflix reboot line. fans of the original rarely like the reboots because they add and change too much from the source material Mormons did the same to Christianity.

@bugeye When you say "most Christians", do you mean American Christians? This group of Christians are a different kettle of fish compared to those originated in Europe. American Christians are divided into two camps: liberals and conservatives. Conservative American Christians are the majority that includes the Mormons.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout MY family [i]belonged[/i] to Church of England and when they emigrated to the United States, there was NO Church of England available in their tiny farming community in Iowa. The ONLY church was a small Franciscan Catholic chapel. And THAT is how my family became Catholic!

@IM5688 I wouldn't endorse the fuel project at all and neither do some other Christians and Christian organizations I know. They strongly disagree with Mark Fairley’s interpretation of the rapture and fulfillment of the seals, trumpets, and bowls of Revelation.

Like most prophecy teachers, Mark says that [u]all[/u] of the Revelation seals, trumpets and bowls take place in the end-times, which is called futurism.

But that's not what Revelation 1:1 says....“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants....things which must shortly take place.” The first seal of Revelation was fulfilled shortly after John recorded the book of Revelation.

The historical fulfillment of Revelation, [b]counters[/b] the futuristic explanations provided in Mark’s new Revelation: Fuel Project Guide videos.

I hope people will pursue the truths of God's own Word, instead of what they’ve been led to believe. Some haven’t studied the scriptures, to validate the meaning of prophecies, so they have blindly trusted what some false teachers and pastors have told them.

@Patientlywaiting There isn’t a “board of Christianity.” My opinion is that you are not Christian, for example. You clearly don’t understand His glory.

@Human1000 luckily, your opinion is not relevant. You're not offering me salvation, Jesus is.

@Tminus6453 Yeah, I think that you've got that the wrong way round🤦‍♂️

@StevexStephie That all depends on what a person believes. Just like any other denomination, there are some in the denomination/church that are Christian, and some are not. God knows who they are. But just because they called themselves "Christian", doesn't mean they are. They may be believing the wrong doctrine, instead of believing God and His Word. But denomination has nothing to do with salvation. It says so in God's own Word.

God the Father made the Plan of Salvation and set the standard for mankind to be able to be saved, and it is not up to man to change it. If we do not adhere to what God says about how to be saved, then we will not be saved, and I think you would agree with that. God's Plan of Salvation was for all mankind and it applies to everyone. If man tries to save his own self and set his own rules, they won't work, no matter if they call themselves Christian or not. Jesus said we cannot work for our salvation. We are saved by the grace of God and by His work alone on the cross to save us, upon putting our trust in Jesus and accepting Him as our Savior. Some don't and won't accept God's plan. They won't be saved, that being the case. For example:

For a Mormon to achieve salvation they must do the following:

Believe in Jesus Christ.

[b]Be baptised into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[/b] Nope! That's "works"! And they are not the only ones who will be saved in this world.

[b]Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands by a person with priesthood authority.[/b] Sorry, but priests have no authority from God to give the gift of the Holy Ghost. Only Jesus can do that. Priests still have mortal sin. They are no holier than anyone else. That is, we all have sins and so does he so he cannot forgive sins nor give the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[b]Endure the tests of their life on earth.[/b] Self-work again, in an effort to earn and [b]keep[/b] God's favor. We [u]already[/u] have God's favor....it's called [i]God's grace[/i]. We don't "do" the keeping of our souls. God does.

These above man-made rules, are revised, and are just the opposite of God's standard for salvation. The above are called "works" or "working" for one's own salvation. The Bible clearly states that one cannot be saved by "works" or good deeds...not by our own efforts.

@akindheart Fake idol? Why do you care? If that medal works, it could save your life. You have nothing to lose. Just keep it in the glove compartment and nobody will know. Put it on your dash whenever you pick your friend up.

@Adstar 🤦‍♂️

@room101 Nope Again..

@Diotrephes SW is a good place to learn things. It's ok to not know things. We can learn. Right?

@Nevaeh0081 [quote]SW is a good place to learn things. It's ok to not know things. We can learn. Right?[/quote]

That's what I see as the purpose of forums such as this one. People express opinions about a variety of topics and the reader has the option to do research and see if the opinions have merit.

The topic of this thread is [quote]Are Catholics, Jews, Mormons considered Christians?[/quote]

The answer to that question is found in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 =
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+15&version=NKJV

Take a couple of minutes to read all 58 verses and you will have your answer from the guy who started the religion.