The Delusion of Atheism [Spirituality & Religion]

I stopped reading after [i] “The main delusion of atheism is that its followers believe that it exists.
“ [/i] - I can’t process this much stupid

"They are deluded into believe that no gods exist, yet they have their own gods that they worship and put their faith in."

No, they lack the belief that gods do exist.

[quote] The main delusion of atheism is that its followers believe that it exists.

They are deluded into believe that no gods exist, yet they have their own gods that they worship and put their faith in.
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This whole part doesn't make sense. Atheism isn't a religion with followers. Atheism is the lack of belief in organized religions and gods.

I'm not going to spend time debating you on your religion. You believe what you believe. But those sentences come off rather oxymoronic.

Remember that all forms of Christianity (just focusing on them for now) are cults, and the true believers will either refute you or ignore you or start a war with you for disbelieving what they believe because what they believe is the Truth and nothing else can be or is allowed to be the Truth in their eyes and minds.

In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a 'non-alchemist'. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.
[i]Sam Harris[/i]

Most Christians are atheists in that they refuse to accept the divinity of Hindu gods

"They are deluded into believe that no gods exist, yet they have their own gods that they worship and put their faith in." ... This statement in the post sums up how meaningless this post is!

Lots of theists believe in evolution. It's not synonymous with atheism.

the word "believing" is not used correctly when used with atheism. atheists know there is no god.. or in case of agnostic atheists doubt there is a god.

its the same with dragons or trolls... some people believe they exist. but you wont find anyone that says "i dont believe in fairies" people know there are no fairies.

"They are deluded..."

No. They simply hold opinions differing from yours; a concept you fear and ridicule.


Does you mean they [i]can[/i] not think and thus choose for themselves a belief that suits them?

Do you mean that they [i]must [/i]not think and choose a belief by the same thought and free will by which you chose yours?

Though you mean it as an insult, I do see what you call "delusion" as mistaken, but [i]only[/i] because it asserts as "fact" a claim no more verifiable than its opposite.

The real world is [i]not[/i] divided into your individual belief and atheists; but into many shades of belief and interpretation of many religions and their sects, agnosticsm (doubt) and atheism (denial).

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I cannot deny there is any sort of god, whatever name and sex you give it, whatever it is, and whatever it is doing. I cannot say there is one, though.

I cannot deny its existence because I cannot provide sufficient objective evidence it does not exist, and so far, nor can anyone else. Fervency of belief is neither evidence nor proof of claim.

I cannot say it does exist, because I cannot provide sufficient objective evidence it exists, and so far, nor can anyone else. Fervency of belief is neither evidence nor proof of claim.


You cling to your chosen interpretation of your chosen religion. That is your right. Others cling to their faiths, their doubts or their denial, by their right (unless unfortunate enough to live in a dictatorship like China or Saudi Arabia).

I find no need to follow any religion. I have friends who are probably atheist, and others who doubt but usually simply claim no interest either way. I have a few who are religious; indeed, two are ordained clerics.

[i]What is the problem?[/i] Free will?

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Since you mentioned it as an afterthought, the matter of evolution and the matter of belief in a god, are entirely different and mutually irrelevant. Science rises above mere personal religious differences, and seeks to [i]understand how[/i] things happened, whether driven by a deity or not.

[i]What is the problem?[/i] Understanding what you believe God's work?

Just the usual evangelical christian crap. Nothing new there.

Yahweh is a mad-made creation or 'entity' to 'explain' what humankind does not understand (which is a very large amount). You can called it 'G.O.D' if you like, and pretend that it is a male formed entity with male sexual parts, but that too is a man-made creation. There is no scientific proof that G.O.D is either (or neither) male or female and *cannot* be ascribed any human gender title.

If atheists are too deluded and stupid to be capable of believing in God like you smart Christians do, how is it their fault? It would be like punishing a toddler for not being able to do differential calculus.

Nah.
That's wrong.
I've explained it to you before but i'm happy to do it again.
An atheist is someone who does not believe or disbelieves in the existence of a deity. That’s it.
Many such living people exist.
No matter how you attempt to distort the meaning of the word (and you must, since no definition supports the idea that an atheist believes in a god) it does not make atheists any less of a real thing.

Maybe you'd like to say that people replace god in their lives with false idols like money or sex or pride.
Sure, fine. Whatever.
But those people still do not believe that those things are deities, those things do not possess any qualities of a deity and nor are they considered as such by those people.
Thus they remain atheists.
Simple as that.

If you believe otherwise, then I invite you to describe the ways in which money or sex can be said to have the attributes of a god.

As for the evidence for evolution, you have been presented with it many times by many people and while you [i]reject [/i]it as evidence, you have shown yourself consistently to be unable to produce an argument [i]justifying [/i]that rejection.
Your rejections is a matter of faith, not science and therefore you are unconvinced by scientific arguments.
In fact the dishonesty of your position is laid bare when you say things like "True science confirms god" because it means that you thoughtlessly reject any science which does not conform to your pre-existing faith position.

-Fin

This is mega-stupid lmao.

well this is a perfect example of why it's really hard to take theists seriously. this is so ridiculous the only thing i'm convinced of here is that this is a parody of religious people and not a serious post.

How can a non belief be delusional?

This is apoplecticly stupid.

Most atheists don’t believe in a god because there has never been any tangible evidence provided.

Ever.

It’s the definition of sanity.

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[quote]believe that no gods exist[/quote]

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)

[b]Where in there do I claim that no gods exist?[/b]

[quote]evidence for their type of science that evolution happened[/quote]

Leaving aside whatever it is you think you mean by ‘their type of science’ (?????)... would you like to see some evidence for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection?

You know... the evidence you’ve been shown several times and and [b]run away from[/b] several times

Sorry, but the only delusion is in the belief that Atheist are somehow obliged to explain or justify their non belief. I have no idea what there was before the Big Bang, I understand the basics of evolution, despite the fact I can’t show the origins of life itself.
People have been manufacturing gods from the start, but that in no way accounts magical beings. That’s just absurd.

prove to me that odin doesnt exist...

What are you even saying right now?

As an Atheist I I choose not to follow any higher power or to believe in what other Athiest do. Beliefs all of my own. And the first thing I believe in is myself.

So for you Christians try to believe in yourself, Because "your" god is busy helping someone better than you right now.

Do you feel the same about the delusion of not believing in astrology?

Science is provable. Bronze age Hebrew folk tales not so much.

I do agree that alot of "new atheists" aka anti theists often just swap the Christian evangelical god for exactly the same behavior just with no god and making equally absurd extrapolations from science stretching it beyond the breaking point. I think this "new atheist" anti theist trend is kind of it's own thing. First off because most see all religion through the lens of American evangelicalism and just replace one religion with another.

They discredit Him and His word instead of taking time to understand Him and His word......that is so true!

I prefer the book "The God Delusion". I think it makes a lot more logical sense instead of just believing in things on the basis of faith.

[quote]no such evidence to support their claims on that evolution happened[/quote]

Would you like to (again) see some evidence so that you can run away from it (again)?

Everyone is Atheist in respect of thousands of gods, [b]despite not being able to prove they don't live[/b]; some of us just go one god further.

What is really sort of fascinating.

Are you at all bothered that Zacharias is a known molester of women?

You do know this man, was proven a sexualy deviant? I don't say this to shame you.
I'm not an atheist ,but to use him as a source might prove problematic to your cause.
https://youtu.be/MQthPDslK_w
The above is the ministries,he worked for apologies to his victims and there are more videos highligting his crimes after an investigation into his conduct revieled that he was, in fact, guilty of sexual misconduct.
I don't know you, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't did not realize this was so ,before you put up this video.

You're an old man, cant you just die already?

For someone so devout you sure do judge people a lot I thought that was God’s job.

Sure ok obviously you don’t understand atheism since they don’t worship any gods that’s the point of being an atheist

He's a good speaker who started off well but seemed to get to a version of the argument from incomprehension. 'I don't or can't fully understand everything - therefore a particular god exists'.

I agree with you on all you say except that I believe in God and I believe in evolution

Thats not true lol. A lot of behavioural biology finds good evidence of evolution existing. I think you haven't read into it enough because that's just one field of science. If you believe in god then cool, but denying what is seems silly.

Not sure why both couldn't be true anyway, you could say science is the study of all that is which in some peoples eyes is god. I don't see the point in this constant bickering about athiests this and religion that, same old tired arguments. Live your life and enjoy it.

All the evidence in the world wouldn’t be enough to convince your kind man. It’s a waste of time to argue over it

Atheism is a WORD. That's all it is. As with every word, those who use it give it their own favorite meaning (could be the one they looked up in a dictionary). Many will insist that others have to mean the same as themselves, when they speak it - in which case they're not listening, and will learn nothing.

when people say "it means..." they should add "....to me" and ask "What does it mean to you when you call yourself atheist? If you want to know what your self-styled atheist neighbor thinks or believes, you won't find it in the dictionary or in semantic debate.

But then again maybe you're really not the slightest bit interested in what your neighbors think or believe; just in arguing?

The delusion of believing something that has to be believd wihout eviidencd.

Point of fact . Yahweh is not the only god mentioned in the Bible. He was a war god who came in to get business done. He’s the god that destroys cities and kills children bearing a sword,,not the all loving creator god..in the first commandment, he himself tells you not to worship other gods. He’s taking over the mob.