The Delusion of Atheism [Spirituality & Religion]

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The main delusion of atheism is that its followers believe that it exists.

They are deluded into believing that no gods exist, yet they have their own gods that they worship and put their faith in.

They can't understand that there is only one true God, Yahweh, who has revealed Himself to mankind through His Spirit and through His Word, yet they try their darnedest to discredit Him and His Word instead of taking time to understand Him and His Word.

They keep claiming they have evidence for their type of science that evolution happened instead of God, Yahweh, creating the heavens and the earth but fail to produce evidence so far. They, however, have shown evidence that intelligent design happened instead but still claim it's evolution.

They mock, ridicule, and insult hoping that these actions will set them above those who believe, on the contrary, the opposite happens and their mocking, ridiculing, and insults fall back on them. Plus, these actions prove that they have no such evidence to support their claims in that evolution happened or that God, Yahweh, doesn't live.

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ArishMell · 70-79, M

"They are deluded..."

No. They simply hold opinions differing from yours; a concept you fear and ridicule.

Does you mean they [i]can[/i] not think and thus choose for themselves a belief that suits them?

Do you mean that they [i]must [/i]not think and choose a belief by the same thought and free will by which you chose yours?

Though you mean it as an insult, I do see what you call "delusion" as mistaken, but [i]only[/i] because it asserts as "fact" a claim no more verifiable than its opposite.

The real world is [i]not[/i] divided into your individual belief and atheists; but into many shades of belief and interpretation of many religions and their sects, agnosticsm (doubt) and atheism (denial).

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I cannot deny there is any sort of god, whatever name and sex you give it, whatever it is, and whatever it is doing. I cannot say there is one, though.

I cannot deny its existence because I cannot provide sufficient objective evidence it does not exist, and so far, nor can anyone else. Fervency of belief is neither evidence nor proof of claim.

I cannot say it does exist, because I cannot provide sufficient objective evidence it exists, and so far, nor can anyone else. Fervency of belief is neither evidence nor proof of claim.

You cling to your chosen interpretation of your chosen religion. That is your right. Others cling to their faiths, their doubts or their denial, by their right (unless unfortunate enough to live in a dictatorship like China or Saudi Arabia).

I find no need to follow any religion. I have friends who are probably atheist, and others who doubt but usually simply claim no interest either way. I have a few who are religious; indeed, two are ordained clerics.

[i]What is the problem?[/i] Free will?

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Since you mentioned it as an afterthought, the matter of evolution and the matter of belief in a god, are entirely different and mutually irrelevant. Science rises above mere personal religious differences, and seeks to [i]understand how[/i] things happened, whether driven by a deity or not.

[i]What is the problem?[/i] Understanding what you believe God's work?

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ArishMell [quote]Does you mean they can not think and thus choose for themselves a belief that suits them?[/quote]

They can think for themselves, it's a God given gift. We are free to believe what we wish but are responsible to believe in the truth rather than the lie.

[quote]I find no need to follow any religion.[/quote]

I don't either which is why I stay away from it.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@GodSpeed63 No - I was asking if you consider them unable to think for themselves.! :-)

Well, you've said they can. We're agreed on that then.

Then you say we are free to believe in what we like as long it's true - by your definition of truth. I.e. it is everyone's responsibility to think as you do.

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You stay away from religion? Eh? It doesn't look like it!

Do you know what? I don't think you really care about religion or if anyone else is religious or not. You just like starting inflammatory posts.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ArishMell [quote]Then you say we are free to believe in what we like as long it's true - by your definition of truth. I.e. it is everyone's responsibility to think as you do. [/quote]

No, it is everyone's responsibility to think on the Truth and not what I believe.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@GodSpeed63

:-) :-)

Your reply there manages to remind me simultaneously of the BBC TV situation comedy [i]The Vicar of Dibley[/i], and George Orwell's [i]1984[/i] dystopia!

Dibley's footling little parish council included one whose response to any awkward question was usually "NO - NO - NO - NO...... Yes!"

In [i]1984,[/i] the anonymous government known only as Big Brother, defined "Truth" as anything that supported its tyranny, via its all-seeing "Ministry of Truth". It saw anything else as either treason or non-existent.

For you've said that we are free to believe as we choose then decree it is our "responsibility" as if by legal statute, to believe in what you call "Truth".

Yet it is already clear that what you call "Truth" is that which you believe. So all the rest of use have a [i]responsibility[/i] to believe what you [i]chose[/i] to believe.

Then you sneer at, deride, call "deluded" (by whom?) and imply are liars, anyone who does not toe your line.

Even your original question is just as self-contradictory by accusing "atheists" of worshipping other deities. Obviously, all those who follow sects or faiths other than yours, are not atheists; but I am not sure what you call them - infidels? By definition though, atheists worship no deities.

Frankly, I am glad I follow no sect that encourages intolerance of other faiths and none.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ArishMell [quote]For you've said that we are free to believe as we choose then decree it is our "responsibility" as if by legal statute, to believe in what you call "Truth".
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Those are your words. What I said was that people are responsible to believing the Truth and not what I believe to be true.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@GodSpeed63 It is still the same belief, for poor old Yahweh's sake, [i]unless [/i]you are now saying you don't actually believe your own proselytising.

Is your belief "the Truth" in your mind?

Is it others' "responsibility" to believe that "Truth"?

If so then that is believing as you do. If not, just what is it?

What is the "responsibility" you load onto them?

If everyone is "responsible" in your mind for believing some "Truth" that you now say is [i]not[/i] yours, then what the heck is the alleged "Truth" [i]they[/i] are supposedly "responsible" for believing, and what is [i]your[/i] "Truth"?

OR.....

Do you really mean that you are admitting at last that any personal religious belief (including atheism and agnosticism, which are beliefs about the existence of gods) are only "true" to that individual believer?

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@ArishMell [quote]It is still the same belief[/quote]

Jesus said we must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God. He also said that if we abide in His Word, we shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. It's His Truth that I refer you to, not mine.

Carazaa · F

@ArishMell They are deluded! We know God! To say he doesn't exist is not bright!

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@Carazaa Carazaa, we expect less arrogant insults and more measured respect from you for those of differing opinions.

Carazaa · F

@ArishMell I know God, don't be disrespectful!

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@Carazaa I know you have chosen to follow Christianity and believe in its god called "God", but I do not think you "deluded" for that.

I object to you (or anyone) calling non-believers and doubters "deluded" and "not bright" for choosing other religious opinions.

Yes, I would agree the philosophical flaw in flatly denying or upholding any god's existence as if unassailable fact. Why?

Because hard-line assumption drags examining [i]personal belief [/i] about a god existing down to the old pantomime routine: "Oh-yes-he-does / Oh-no-he-doesn't".

That is neither theology nor philosophy, but mere thrashing around between two sides both providing no convincing, objective evidence to support their [i]belief[/i]. At best sterile, at worst it re-inforces each party's prejudices and bitterness against the other over a personal opinion.

I do not and can not know if there is a god or not, but find it hard to believe there may be. However, I do understand the fundamental spiritual needs most religions try to meet for most of their followers.

What I [i]do[/i] know is that most of both the believers and the atheists on threads like this are sincere even though some are poor at expressing themselves; but neither has given me anything objective by which the agnostic like me may judge the case in their favour.

We can sincerely but only, [i]believe[/i] there is a god or there is not.

The choice is ours, but to call another's intelligence into question merely for choosing a differing belief in or about any religion or deity, is wrong, negative and needless. And as I said, I think you usually above such merely denigrating your "opponents".

Carazaa · F

@ArishMell The Christians here care about God and people that's why we are here. I have a fulltime job, and things to do, and I am writing a book, and I have a business. God commands us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, "when the entire world and every people group has heard, Jesus will come back to judge the living and the dead!" We know God personally and I am just tired of you and others harassing us! We take this serious. There is no more serious business than telling people about the truth that Jesus died for your sins.

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