The Delusion of Atheism [Spirituality & Religion]

@Allelse Seriously?

@CopperCicada Yep. He's a pain in the ass and the world can do with a few less religious zealots.

@Allelse Well. @GodSpeed63 hates me. But I don’t wish him harm.

@CopperCicada So?

@Allelse All right. Rock on with the malice.

@CopperCicada [quote]But I don’t wish him harm.[/quote]

@Allelse isn't wishing him harm either. According to him, when he dies he'll be with his "father in heaven". Sounds like win-win to me.

@Allelse [quote]You're an old man, cant you just die already?[/quote]

I have eternal life through Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.

@Sharon Well, according to @GodSpeed63 I’m going to hell. So I guess I am an odd one in wishing him well.

@CopperCicada [quote]I’m going to hell. [/quote]
Look on the bright side, you won't be pestered by sanctimonious christians there - hopefully. 🤞

See you there! 🍻🥳

@CopperCicada Well if you where unknowingly on the path to hell would you not greatly appreciate the person who gave you warning of that?

Now if someone was wishing for you to go to hell then yeah it would be very hard to wish such a person well..

@GodSpeed63 No you wont you'll be dead. Makes me wonder though, you must have a lot of guilt stored away inside of ya, to be coming on here preaching all the time. So what did you do? Does it burn knowing that you'll never be able to say sorry to them, being that you're old and maybe they're already dead. Does all that praying really make the horrible things you've done any easier? Or do you keep up the lie because to stop believing in it, you'd have the face the things you've done. Made peace with your 'creator' and the ones you've wronged? Well, are they are already long gone? No wonder Christianity is such a popular religion, since it offers true monsters a good nights sleep.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]I have eternal life[/quote]

So, according to you, the bible is wrong then -
[i]4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. [/i]
(Ecclesiastes 9:4-5 KJV)

Has anyone told "god"?

@Adstar Well, as I was taught, people are saved through faith. Something that seems agreed upon here. But we have no way of reading the hearts of men and women. Or really fathoming the depths of God’s grace.

So I am always at a loss when I see people seemingly judicating who is saved and who is damned. One, only God can do that. But I don’t see how we can see, much less measure, grace. What is in people’s heart. See or measure faith. We can always observe how people’s actions are in harmony with what we are instructed. A principle I use as an educator. Does this student act as if they understand?

And that seems to be where people decide for themselves as to who is damned. Not because of their faith or lack thereof. Not because they are lacking qualities of character like devotion, faith, humility, love. But private things. How people sleep with their wives. Political or social convictions. Their hobbies. How old they think a rock is. Minor differences in orthodoxy and orthopraxy.

I see this and go back to the basics. We are saved through faith, and faith alone. But we are damned for these ancillary things? Especially materialistic choices we make navigating a world of suffering the best we can? I am sure the answer is to pray to God. Sure. But we still need to get the shovel in the dirt. Seems sad to chide another for the color of the mud on their shovel’s blade.

Maybe some of these things are ancillary things that we might need to purify in our hearts. Repent as they say. Perhaps things that we are judged for. And certainly all things will become clear in time. We are the ones with cataracts. Not God. But something to belittle, humiliate, mock others over?

@Sharon [quote]So, according to you, the bible is wrong then [/quote]

Your ignorance seems to know no boundaries, Sharon. I could tell you that I died and became born again and you'd think I was reincarnated but you'd wrong. I'm still the same person but with my true identity intact and eternal.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Your ignorance seems to know no boundaries, Sharon.[/quote]
I actually gave you chapter and verse of that quote. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. It's clear I know the bible far better than you do. That's why I'm an Atheist and you're still in the dark.

@CopperCicada [quote]@Adstar Well, as I was taught, people are saved through faith. Something that seems agreed upon here. But we have no way of reading the hearts of men and women. Or really fathoming the depths of God’s grace.

So I am always at a loss when I see people seemingly judicating who is saved and who is damned. One, only God can do that.[/quote]

If you preach that no one can know who is saved and who is not saved then you cannot share Gods Gospel message on how one comes to be saved.. If fact in preaching this doctrine that no one can say who is and who is not saved you cannot tell anyone how to be saved no matter what your personal religious theology is..

Yes i was taught that people where saved by Faith and that Faith is Trusting in the Way God has made to be saved.. Now if someone clearly states that they reject the Way God has made for them to be saved then one can say to them.. Your not saved.. But if they cannot say that someone is not condemned by rejecting the Way God has made for them to be saved then how can you then still preach what you believe is the Way to salvation??? You have just undermined the validity of your own salvation doctrine..

[quote]But I don’t see how we can see, much less measure, grace. What is in people’s heart. See or measure faith.[/quote]

Yes we can measure whats in people hearts when they express their rejection of the Way of salvation.. If people reject grace as a way for salvation and either call it foolishness or declare it evil then we can know whats in their hearts..

[quote]I see this and go back to the basics. We are saved through faith, and faith alone.[/quote]

Yes indeed i agree.. But when someone states clearly that they have no faith in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus to save them then one can see they have ZERO faith in what Jesus did to save them.. Thus we can know and say they are not saved.. That's if we actually believe that the atonement of Jesus is the Way to be saved..

@GodSpeed63 You aren't the same oerson and there is no true identity. Those are misconceptions.

@Entwistle [quote]You aren't the same You aren't the same oerson and there is no true identity. [/quote]

According to whom? Who was there when I became born again, you or me? Learn to spell.

@GodSpeed63 According to reality. There is no inherently existing "self''. Can you point to your self? Could you show it to someone?
I misspell words on occasion as i am a blind person.

@Entwistle [quote]According to reality.[/quote]

Yahweh is reality being that He's the Author of it.

@GodSpeed63 Yahweh is a fictional character. He exists only in your imagination.
Now,can you point to yourself? Your "i" where is it?

@Entwistle [quote]Yahweh is a fictional character. [/quote]

You still have to prove it. Otherwise, you're just whistling in the wind.

@GodSpeed63 I don't have to prove anything. It's obvious that an omniscient invisible being that created everything..is a work of fiction..

@Entwistle [quote]I don't have to prove anything.[/quote]

Don't you know that by refusing to support your claim that you make yourself out to be a liar?