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Have You Ever Walked Into A Grocery Store And Bought Something You Thought Was The Meat Of An Animal... And It Wasn't?

The very powerful meat industry, has done and are attempting to pass laws forbidding the use of labels/words like "veggie burger" or "vegan hot dog" on plant-based products. They SAY that it is confusing or "deceptive" to consumers, even though every plant-based "meat" product has meatless plain as day somewhere on the front of the packaging.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/7/3/20680731/mississippi-veggie-burgers-illegal-meatless-meat
Wraithorn · 51-55, M Best Comment
I think their own objective is to be deceptive by the sound of it.
Wraithorn · 51-55, M
[@910977,Piper] Their objective is surely to make as much money as possible. Maybe the objective is to be deceptive by pretending not to be deceptive and so confuse the customer into silence.
Wraithorn · 51-55, M
[@910977,Piper] Thanks for BA.
[@385840,Wraithorn] I kinda said that just now

Not really. It wouldn't bother me a lot I like to try new stuff.
I'm certainly not going vegan anytime soon, but that is a ridiculous move on behalf of the meat industry.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@1201381,LordShadowfireTheSarcastic] We agree that it is a ridiculous claim on their part. Not one person who disagrees, has said that [i]they[/i] have actually been deceived or "misled" by the wording on the labels of plant-based "meat" [i]or[/i] milk products. Not on this site anyway, or the other one I submitted the the same question on.
Not that it hasn't probably happened in some store at some time, when someone didn't bother to actually read the words on the label of a product.
Peapod · 56-60, F
Wow, the meat industry is really reaching on this one. I absolutely think it is ludicrous to think they can successfully argue that a consumer is getting confused by the word "burger". If I see "veggie burger", I sure as heck am not thinking I am getting a meat burger.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@711251,Peapod] I sure think so. They are clearly feeling threatened by what they consider "competition".
Peapod · 56-60, F
[@910977,Piper], totally ridiculous argument on their parts. I will really be disappointed if we let another huge industry get their way, all in the name of capitalism.

I highly doubt the fact that more people are choosing an alternative to meat will hurt them enough that they need to pull out this lame attempt at free marketing.

Regardless of whether people care about this personally, everyone should be concerned about the power any industry can have.
[@711251,Peapod] thats 4 sure and they are corporate monsters with nice human faces and families who were too self censored to read Orwell but they practice his warnings in the breach.
On the subject of meat, a few days ago my loving niece brought me a dinner of meat, potatoes and vegetables and a juice drink and coffee. I had just come home from the hospital. The meat was amazing. I asked what it was. She replied it was moose meat. Her husband is an avid hunter. Well, whoever prepared it did an amazing job.
As for the meat industry and consumers, I say, let the consumer beware, but also let it be THEIR choice as to what they choose to eat or not eat. The Meat industry is out for themselves and this type of reaction from them is not uncommon.
Fernie · F
[@822235,soar2newhighs] Of course people can eat what they want to eat...but, do it with a conscience...go and SEE what animals go through so you CAN have that meat to eat!!! Then make a decision
I hear what you're saying, but in that regard, the slaughter of animals for human food consumption is not going to stop anytime soon. Hey, if people are truly impacted by the end product and how it was achieved, it is their right to opt out and not eat what they choose not to.[@331316,Fernie]
Peaches · F
[@331316,Fernie] Our friends owned a turkey farm back home in NC. I saw how they slaughter those turkeys and ran home crying.😢
That is so weird. Anything to keep consumers from being able to make an informed decision.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@328496,bijouxbroussard] Yeah, I'm pretty sure very few consumers go to the sections of the grocery store that have plant-based "meat" products clearly labeled as veggie, vegan and meatless..and can't make an informed decision.
The meat industry, just like all industries, will do ANYTHING to keep people consuming its products. They must think vegetable-based burgers and hot dogs are going to keep consumer's money out of their pockets. Their claiming the labeling is deceptive or confusing, is a ploy. Do you think they would care if we were deceived or not if our being deceived meant our buying more meat?
Piper · 61-69, F
[@364304,Peaches] Unfortunately, those 'more humane' labels on eggs are quite misleading. It's great that you have access to [i]actual [/i] "free range" hens. :)
Peaches · F
[@910977,Piper] Yes...I've thought of that too.🤔 The world we live in is really just one big lie!😯🌍️💥
[@364304,Peaches] Yep. 😔
How about they start labeling dangerous foods as actually dangerous, like adulterated tasteless junk with too much fat and salt and chemicals?

Oh wait we didn't follow the money.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@1056469,Sweetnessandshadows] That would be a whole different subject, but labeling about certain ingredients has actually improved some.
[@910977,Piper] also still no GMO labeling, sometimes they tell u when its absent
Piper · 61-69, F
[@1056469,Sweetnessandshadows] Many labels do mention when some something is supposedly non-GMO, yes.
OggggO · 31-35, M
The dairy lobby is trying to do the same thing to plant milks.
DrWatson · 61-69, M
[@910977,Piper] And what about Milk of Magnesia? Not exactly a food, but that term has been long accepted.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@338282,DrWatson] Yeah, and milkweed. Better change that too! 🙃
DrWatson · 61-69, M
[@328832,OggggO] Well, it happened! My wife drinks almond milk pretty regularly, and today when I bought some at the grocery store, the carton said "Almond Non-Dairy Beverage".

I bet this change will neither increase nor decrease the sales of this product at all.

I am now waiting for "Non-Dairy Laxative of Magnesia!"
DrWatson · 61-69, M
I don't find it confusing at all.

Besides, historically, the word "meat" did not always refer to animals. We still talk about "sweat meats".

Edit: ok, ok.....SWEET meats!!! 😂
Piper · 61-69, F
[@338282,DrWatson] I know. That started long before the recent [i]sweats[/i] displayed by the animal meat industry. I'm not sure "Moo Juice" would be approved of. Cows DO sort of [i]moo[/i], after all. 🐄
DrWatson · 61-69, M
[@910977,Piper] I know....it would be a sneaky end run around their copyright! I bet no one is trying to control the use of the term moo juice, and this would throw it back in their corporate face!
Piper · 61-69, F
[@338282,DrWatson] That might be amusing.
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Fernie · F
[@20952,IstillmissEP] I have not eaten ANY flesh since 1970 after I went to a slaughterhouse. You have NO idea what you're talking about...not a clue. You are a heartless and ignorant person...GO SEE HOW THE ANIMALS ARE TREATED/KILLED...MAYBE YOU'LL STOP BEING SO FUCKING ARROGANT! Human beings do NOT NEED to eat meat
Piper · 61-69, F
[@20952,IstillmissEP] The greatest thing about you finding them disgusting, is that you surely have the choice not to buy or eat them. I've never tried "Fakin Bacon" myself, but there is a brand of a plant-based product with the flavor of bacon that I like.

No, [b]I[/b] don't need to be "careful". I have no trouble seeing the large print on the meat-less products, clearly labeled as such.
[@331316,Fernie] I learned all about that stuff when I used to listen to Gary Null. It is true.

We love that horrible stuff cause we don't know any better, but some of us do, and then think of why they are destroying the AMAZON RAIN FOREST for the sake of meat buyers. Our future, lungs of the earth..destroyed for meat eaters
BlueVeins · 22-25
God forbid someone accidentally eat their vegetables.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@4199,BlueVeins] Ha! Yeah, that [i]would[/i] be terrible. Fact is, of course, that few if ANY consumers have actually been "deceived" about these plant-based products.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
The use of burger with Veggie is incorrect. The definition of burger always has a reference describing meat between two slices of some type of bread substance, with other ingredients. So, the name veggie burger is misleading.

I'm happy for people to have their own dietary preferences, but the naming of products should not confuse others.

As a point of reference, I did look up the definition of burger because I have been annoyed at the idea of a veggie burger for some time.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@338282,DrWatson] Ha! No, but I was there many times. There were many words for the sausages I quite enjoyed while living in Germany. I do think even then though, I'd have tried one that had "veggie" before that word.
Zeusdelight · 61-69, M
[@910977,Piper] Hi Piper, I assume, the word hamburger was shortened to burger because of the various meats used. People understood that a Hamburger did not usually contain "Ham" and so used a less misleading term. It is very unusual in Australian advertising to hear of a Hamburger being advertised, rather it is a burger being advertised. (I did laugh at the hamburger and Frankfurt comments, I remember thinking the same as a kid:))
Piper · 61-69, F
[@1387,Zeusdelight] I wouldn't assume that, myself. Glad you enjoyed those comments, though!
I thought I was buying ribs yesterday.. picked up a pork belly instead..
what da fuq is pork belly
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DrWatson · 61-69, M
[@327405,theoneyouwerewarnedabout] Pork belly sandwiches are incredibly good, but you have to consider "grease" to be one of the basic food groups!
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Snorky · 26-30, F
That new impossible burger looks gross and it leaks liquid that resembles blood.
Snorky · 26-30, F
[@331316,Fernie] who knows what's in that shit .
Fernie · F
[@1023521,theshowstoppimp19] I know!!! Have you ANY idea what happens to the meat while being "processed?" No...you don't. You'd puke if you knew.
Snorky · 26-30, F
[@331316,Fernie] i'm aware of that so are many others . but i don't trust that leaking burger and that's fine .
SweetMae · 61-69, F
Oh no ...
Sicarium · 41-45, M
I'm all for less fake shit in the grocery store. That would include "meatless meat".
Piper · 61-69, F
[@33564,Sicarium] Well, there has always been what could be considered "fake shit" in grocery stores though, and just to be clear...plant-based products are not labeled as [i]meat[/i].
Sicarium · 41-45, M
[@910977,Piper] [quote]Well, there has always been what could be considered "fake shit" in grocery stores[/quote]

[quote]I'm all for less fake shit in the grocery store.[/quote]
UserNameSW · 41-45, M
Dont produce misleading labels and no lawsuits required.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@291556,UserNameSW] Actually, none of them are "deceptive".
UserNameSW · 41-45, M
[@910977,Piper] calling a vegetable sandwich a steak,is deceptive.

Calling almond drink as milk is deceptive.

I have no problem with people create, selling, purchasing, consuming a variety of products. The problem is when you present the product as something it isnt.


If producers and marketers are not misrepresenting their products - this law will not effect them.
Piper · 61-69, F
[@291556,UserNameSW] This is getting a little wearisome, but I'll try once again anyway.
[i]You[/i] have NOT been misled or deceived by any of these plant-based products, yet you still insist the labeling is "deceptive". No one is calling a vegetable sandwich "a steak", either.

[quote]Calling almond drink as milk is deceptive.[/quote]

How do you figure that, the various definitions of "milk" aside...when almond, soy, coconut, rice...etc., is clearly right there in front of "milk' on the labels? That is also the case, on the labels of plant-based meat alternative products.
RogueLoner · M
I've seen it labeled "meatless",plainly and clearly, but never "big as day".😏
Piper · 61-69, F
[@609293,RogueLoner] Well yeah, I [b]did[/b] just say. When using a fairly commonly used idiom, it is surely preferable to get it 'right. 😬

I'm glad you pointed out my mistake, so I can 'fix' it.
RogueLoner · M
[@910977,Piper] I assume your "mistake" is always reprimanding ME for doing the same thing!! So good 😘. Otherwise I agree with the post 100%.👍️
Piper · 61-69, F
[@609293,RogueLoner] You'd assume mistakenly.
Peaches · F
NO!?😐️I sure hope it doesn't happen as I just mostly eat chicken. I don't eat much beef at all. I really love fish the most, but for some reason good fish is hard to find at the markets.
[@364304,Peaches] its getting more scarce due to predatory overfishing and pollution
Northwest · M
Constantly happens to me, I walk into a grocery store, to pick up a juicy burger, and I accidentally pick up a veggie burger, that tastes like falafel :-)
Piper · 61-69, F
[@9416,Northwest] Oh My! That must have been traumatic. :)
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Not really. But I have bought the wrong items because maybe it had hot sauce in the fish can instead of fish oil. 🤭
Piper · 61-69, F
[@322117,Zonuss] I've purchased a [i]wrong[/i] item also, but it wasn't because what it was wasn't right there on the label. A bag of coffee beans instead of ground, for instance. Like the issue in question here...I was not "deceived" by the labeling, I just wasn't paying close enough attention.
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Piper · 61-69, F
[@377644,Noahkahol] I simply asked you a question, directly related to your own response to my post. Nothing you have said strengthens your argument in agreement that certain words should be illegal to use in the labeling of plant-based products. Not to me anyway, when all of them already have "veggie", or "vegan" [b]and[/b] "meatless" clearly visible on the packaging.
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