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One man in USA kills 18 and injures many today! No one needs an assault weapon ever, So sad that the USA hasn't outlawed assault weapons!

Please [b][big]does any president care about kids?[/big][/b] [b][big]500 mass shootings this year! [/big][/b]Can you outlaw assault weapons PLEASE ?? So sad! What do we tell the kids? Do we want kids to be scared and mentally ill?? Please outlaw assault weapons! PLEASE 馃ズ
littlepuppywantanewlife31-35, M Best Comment
Wow! Only this kind of cases are happening in USA.
CarazaaF
@Heartlander We don't have a corrupt government like other countries, don't be paranoid!
@Carazaa you have too be kidding our government is filthy dirty !
ElwoodBluesM
@NaughtyPickle Well, it was somewhat dirty until we got rid of Trump!!

Wait, aren't you the guy who claims most of the mass shootings are actually done by the CIA?? What other amusing GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy ThEoRiEs do you have up your sleeve???

ArishMell70-79, M
This fetish for guns as if normal domestic implements to such an extent these killings are common, seems confined to the USA.

I know gun-owning is one the country's most divisive matters. I also know by no means all American households own so much as a pop-gun; yet others like to boast of their arsenals of powerful machines like assault-rifles designed purely to kill people.

I think I am right that there are even more shootings than these wilful ones, some tragically fatal, by accident or negligence. The latter includes occasionally, parents having carelessly left a loaded gun lying about the house, readily accessible to an inquisitive young child.

I know it varies from State to State, but the USA's gun laws seem very loose indeed. In some States it is easier to buy guns and ammunition than beer, in ordinary village shops! A friend bizarrely found he could, despite being a foreigner visiting a region that probably sees few foreign tourists. (He could replace ammunition he'd expended by invitation on his hosts' private range, on their farm, but could not prove being old enough to buy some beer.)
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Is there something in the American psyche that fosters shooting as the answer to all problems? It's certainly a violent society, but so are those of many nations.


Pressed, American gun-lovers often hide behind their mystical interpretation of a Constitutional, pre-Army [i]Amendment[/i]". So it can be [i]Amended[/i] again, even abolished, by national will via the nation's normal parliamentary process, but would need that will. So citing the Constitution simply evades the question "Why?" - do you want a gun, or guns.

Why own a powerful gun? Some, perhaps, by fear: "My neighbour has a pistol and looks a bit odd. I'd better buy a shot-gun." Others imagine some undefined, inexplicable apocalyptic event, even a second civil-war, so stock their homes and remote bolt-holes with food and ammunition. Still others seem merely, ghoulishly attracted to anything that can kill any living thing just because it can kill, and the more powerful, the more attractive. Like buying an enormous all-terrain SUV just to go shopping - except that the car is not intended as a killing tool.

Sites like SW suggest a nasty undercurrent of widespread, domestic, physical and mental cruelty in US society (the modern offence of "coercive and controlling behaviour" in UK law). Though perhaps we hear only from victims or boastful bullies, not about happy relationships, so the level is not possible to gauge; and domestic bullying is a world-wide problem anyway.

We also see SW posts revealing a strange desire to "nuke" any other country for anything. That thinking is as lazy as its slang, but perhaps from an outmoded American belief that you can shoot any country into the American way.

Hollywood, TV and video game companies make vast profits peddling images of extreme death and destruction for entertainment; very controversial, but often thought to numb some viewers' sensibilities and encourage the already-callous.


So although all of those factors may foster widespread callousness, it still does not really answer,

"WHY so many random killings, in public places, schools, work-places etc.; to a far higher level than in any other otherwise-stable country?"

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Very often the murderer is shot at the scene; by Police, some other gun-carrier, or suicide. So unless he (I have not heard of female "mass" killers) has left definite evidence at home, his motive is indeterminable. The motive is unique to the incident but some motives may be common in general ways, such as grudges.

Speculation, and blanket assertions by non-psychologists of the perpetrators' unspecified "mental illness", are pointless; but genuine analysis of left evidence and personal knowledge, may at least help explain the incident. Better still, if such shooters are also caught alive, and made to account for their actions personally, perhaps it may be easier to find just what are the common causes of the so many needless deaths .


Something must be there in US society to harbour a uniquely-American problem only Americans themselves can address; but [i]as well as[/i] unthinking gun-fetishism, what?
kodiac22-25, M
@Carazaa I'm not abusive just honest. Most of my responses are quotes of your words. The post is about mass killings. Your words ,god is punishing the US for assorted reasons. So logical mind takes that to mean the mass killings are the work of god as a way of punishing the US . You said it not me . It seems odd time after time we hear of the horrible punishments meted out by god but never any examples of gods love.
kodiac22-25, M
@Carazaa You're speaking FOR god again . How do you know what god wants?
CarazaaF
@kodiac Instead of accusing God of not being just, accuse us humanity of sin!
TexChikF
Sorry , guns are not the problem. Our constitution prevents knee jerk reactions like yours from violating our rights as Americans to keep and bear arms.

The problem is the government , which now does not prosecute criminals but will prosecute conservatives that oppose them . Children are being aborted, murdered , raped, kidnapped , and trafficked daily , yet you only speak up if they are shot. Guns did not commit these crimes, evil did.
@Carazaa wrong guns are an inanimate object absolutely harmless a gun can not harm a living soul
Unless used by a psycho with mental illness
CarazaaF
@TexChik I blame parents who are Godless, lazy and love violent movies and video games and let their kids watch them. And give them poor nutrition like fast food, and don't cook dinner and nutritious meals every day like fish, meat, vegies, milk and berries. I believe the intelligence is lacking in many parents and more kids have more mental illness! The government need to outlaw the sale of cheap poor nutrition (fast food), violent movies, video games, and guns!
TexChikF
@Carazaa Fortunately our government (which is one of the most corrupt entities in the world) can't touch our guns without declaring war on its own citizens. You are so determined to lay blame. What happened today is a normal weekend in Chicago and you never hear about it.
By definition, ALL weapons are assault weapons. If someone uses a gun of any type to shoot someone, smack them in the head with the butt, or uses it in any other way that causes harm, that鈥檚 called assault.

As for kids? You EDUCATE THEM!!!!!! Teach them that bad AND good people have guns. Answer their questions honestly. And most importantly鈥ever blame the actions of one person or specific weapon on the whole.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I never mentioned any political sway. It鈥檚 my opinion. You disagree with what I said. That鈥檚 fine.
@Pinkstarburst You don't have to because your outlook is very much tailored to make sure the arms industry and the shootings continue forever.

It is not much different than the "thoughts and prayers" platitude.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Thank you for explaining my outlook to me.
HoraceGreenley56-60, M
The US doesn't allow private citizens to own assault rifles. There are some exceptions but assault rifles have not been used in any shootings.

Now in Maine we have a mentally ill person killing people. This is a mental health issue.
MethDozerM
@HoraceGreenley It's whatever one wants to define it as in reality.
ElwoodBluesM
@MethDozer says [quote]It's nuanced. Up until a couple of years ago you could by them as long as they weren't "name brand" and containing certain features . [/quote]
I'm not so sure. The law has this "substantially similar" part that appears to rule out much of the offbrand stuff:

[quote] [b]What type of weapons are prohibited as 鈥渃opies or duplicates鈥 of the Assault Weapons listed in G.L. c. 140, 搂 121?[/b]
Under Massachusetts law, Assault Weapons are defined in several ways...

... The weapon鈥檚 internal functional components are substantially similar to the construction or configuration of a weapon that is expressly banned under the law (such as a Colt AR-15 or a Kalashnikov AK-47); ... [/quote]
[b]https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-assault-weapons-ban-enforcement-notice[/b]

As far as the "arbitrary legal term," the Massachusetts law references the wording of the original 1994 Bush assault weapon ban. So it's had that meaning under the law for at least 30 years. I see the NRA wants to define the phrase as fully automatic, but the legal definition has been semi or full auto for quite a while. Inside an NRA meeting, perhaps the phrase implies full auto, but here in the world of laws and commerce, semi auto fits the definition.
MethDozerM
@ElwoodBlues that's what I mean by it is arbitrary. The term used for military specifications says full auto and detachable box, during and intermediate cartridge blah, blah, blah but for legal purpose the term can be however they want to define it. It's completely arbitrary because in reality there's really no such thing. Horace argueing over semantics of the term and insisting that the legal side has to follow the strict
definition of an old military design requirement is silly. Really the only argument for why the AR is the most commonly used in mass shootings on the side that it isn't the firearm itself is that it is the most popular current long gun period.

Shit I own guns. Own or have owned AR-15 and AKs, and AR-10 and find his arguments with you ignorant and silly.

If you read I said up till a few years ago when they expanded the law.
deadgerbil22-25
It's very disturbing. A bad person with a gun almost always enjoys a tactical advantage bc they have the element of surprise. No one is expecting it to happen and even police(the trained professionals) responding to this bs can get killed too.

All bc we can't get serious with gun control
CarazaaF
@deadgerbil I am praying for strict gun control. We have to care about our kids more than guns!
Strictmichael7561-69, M
@deadgerbil Exactly
CarazaaF
@Strictmichael75 People don't really care about the future of USA or the kids! The USA produces violent movies, violent video games, and violent people! Disgusting!
TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
Wait wait

Is it Tragic this Happened ( You bet your A_s !! )

Yet..
Hadn't this guy even Recently
Threatened to do Exactly as he Did
Isnt so Professing that More then a Casual Threat

So..this guy was under "Observation" for what...2 weeks
Why Wasn't he Arredted for Terrorism
So... which Legal Agency and or People Dropped the Ball here
Enabling a Man who OPEnLY threatened to do Exactly as he did

The guy who Recently Nearly caused a plane to fall from the shy
Where 100+ could of died
That guy is charged with various forms of attempted murder or homicide
It turns out..F.A.A. apparently has major loop holes
That is seen to enable potentially unsafe pilots to fly

So here in Maine
Way too many died and are Injured
Yet
Why the Heck...wasnt that guy Arrested and or Mandates put on him for medical incarceration at the very least..for say..6 months or more

Yet someone ( of legal authority unfortunately ) likely was Like
Ahh..this guy was having a bad moment
Yeah year he is an expert in guns

Nah nah..let him go

Yet..our Failed laws and or Policies Enabled / Allowed this Tragedy to Happen

GOD rest the Souls who Now are in the Light
GOD help those still stuggling

PRAYERS !!
CarazaaF
@TheDisciplinarian We will pray, God will listen! There is a Satanic movement in the world, violence increasing everywhere. "All things work out for good for those who love God"
[b]AND PEOPLE[/b]
CarazaaF
@TheDisciplinarian [b][c=003BB2]Almighty God please hear our prayers. We admit we have a sinful country. Please forgive us.Please Heal us. Help us be a peaceful country! Help us love our neighbors, and our enemies! In Jesus mighty name, AMEN![/c][/b]
Diotrephes70-79, M
@TheDisciplinarian Well, one of the whines is that people should be trained in how to use guns. So, the guy is an expert with guns.They got what they wanted.
Mattypp56-60, M
It is not the gun it is the person that pull tje trigger that needs be got rid of
ElwoodBluesM
@Mattypp Of course the army will have weapons that are banned among civilians. You can't own a grenade, but the army has millions. You can't own a bazooka or a howitzer or a mortar, but the army has millions. You can't own shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles but the army has plenty. The list goes on.
Mattypp56-60, M
Can own a gernade and is my right as a citizan or amerivan i free @ElwoodBlues @ElwoodBlues
ElwoodBluesM
@Mattypp You are right about owning grenades, as long as you live in a state that hasn't banned them, and have all the proper licensing and permits and stamps - it will cost a small fortune. The 2nd A protects your right to own a grenade launcher, but not the grenade itself.

The latest ruling was District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008. Heller states that "the Second Amendment only protects arms that are in 'common use' for lawful purposes." That doesn't really open the door for grenades.
Why outlaw guns? Guns are absolutely harmless unless in the hands of an idiot
Slade56-60, M
@wonkywinky

[quote]I think a lot of these gun nutjobs will have a large collection of guns,that has cost many thousands of dollars,and just decide to get some use out of it.[/quote]

[b]So they commit mass murder to keep their guns in practice.[/b]

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the stupidest thing ever written

Congratulations, you've had plenty of competition
Slade56-60, M
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wonkywinky51-55, M
Ive read on another site some responses from gun nut Americans,like"If youre not American you dont get it","Its not guns that kill","why should our safety be questioned because of some nut?"...
Among a lot of Americans seems to be a kind of inbuilt paranoia about their Government.
Like they want to be armed in case the Govt tries to attack them,or something.
As if theres a dystopia just around the corner...I think dystopia is already there about 15 years ago.They just like playing with guns.
The way the gun manufacturer lobby rules US politics is disgusting and should be broken down.
You may guess im not American.but i love America,and im sad to see the division and social upheaveals that are prevalent,that are driving people to kill.
redredredM
Provide a legal definition of the minimum number necessarily to constitute a militia, not that it matters for the second amendment since it is clearly an individually protected right.

To make it understandable to a government educated leftard, try this.

鈥淎 well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a good day, the right of the people to buy and keep food shall not be infringed鈥

Now, to whom does that right apply, the people or the breakfast?


@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
wonkywinky51-55, M
@redredred Its funny how believing that innocent people shouldnt be massacred by nutjobs is always interpreted as being lefty.I think allowing the general public to arm itself without really strong restrictions is stupid.So when was the last time the US Govt actually launched an armed assault upon the population?
redredredM
@wonkywinky Ask the native American
ElwoodBluesM
* Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
* Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
* Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense
* Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

[sep][sep][sep]

Are there "1 to 3 million" defensive gun uses per year in the US?

The "1 to 3 million" figure comes from one "random-digit-dialed telephone survey of 4,977 adults conducted from February through April of 1993" and reported by Kleck & Gertz in 1995. Kleck says the random sampling error of his survey is less than 1%, but if so, that would produce far smaller error bars than 1 to 3 million.

Others have tried to replicate Kleck's data; here's a survey of polling
[quote]https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/[/quote]
Needless to say, they produce much smaller numbers and likely have their own biases. But here's a useful quote:

[quote]We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.[/quote]
What they're saying, in not so many words, is that guns are often used to intimidate. The guy who draws the gun may think he's preventing a crime. But putting another person in reasonable fear of bodily harm is the crime of assault (battery is when you make contact with the other person). So they're running these stories by judges, who say that many reported "defensive" gun uses are actually the offensive crime of assault, unknown to the gun user.

They also say "8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime; 9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens." i.e. they say it's almost impossible to find a criminal with a gun wound who was shot by a law abiding citizen.

And finally,
[quote]Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote]

I'm not saying this Harvard data is perfect, but it asks a lot of specific questions about defensive gun use; and the results do tend to completely undermine the Kleck 1993 polling result.

[sep][sep][sep]

Here's the peer reviewed report from the two Harvard surveys:
[b]https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263[/b]

Same author, an analysis of the National Crime Victimization Survey from 2007-2011 covering 14,000 incidents
[b]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091743515001188[/b]
[quote]Results
Of over 14,000 incidents in which the victim was present, 127 (0.9%) involved a SDGU. SDGU was more common among males, in rural areas, away from home, against male offenders and against offenders with a gun. After any protective action, 4.2% of victims were injured; after SDGU, 4.1% of victims were injured. In property crimes, 55.9% of victims who took protective action lost property, 38.5 of SDGU victims lost property, and 34.9% of victims who used a weapon other than a gun lost property.
Conclusions
Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.[/quote]
SDGU = self-defense gun use
BeefySenpieM
I wonder if those who are pro guns would change their opinions if their spouse or child was killed by a lunatic on a rampage. I don鈥檛 think anyone can even say it鈥檚 sad because if you do nothing despite it happening so frequently for so many years it鈥檚 called insanity
TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
@Carazaa Regarding the Meals..Weak Leaders ( Too True )
Crazy the Video games out there..
They creat delusional sense of Non Realism ( shameful )

Yes..wayntoo many with variousmstates of mental stability ( rather the lack of ) own guns ( as likely do Violent and felon people )
Those are issues Needing to be Addressed
TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
@Carazaa as do i
Yet...
So to live in nyc..
That has Plenty of Nuts
Slade56-60, M
@BeefySenpie So how are they going to stop it beefhead?
kodiac22-25, M
It's odd that no one responded to my comment about Israel. Terrorists in freaking hang gliders landing killing kidnapping. None of which would happen if the people on the ground had been armed .Even only a few responsible gun owners could have taken them out. Try that in the US . With Terrorists streaming across our border the anti gun people might find themselves running to their responsible gun owning neighbors for protection.
kodiac22-25, M
@ExperienceDLT 74 cases of bystanders stopping mass shooter's
CarazaaF
@kodiac You think guns are the answer, but you fail to realize that the element of surprise catches people off guard and there is no defense against that, no gun owner has time to even shoot back because it would be too late, and the Israel concert attack was multiple attackers. Attackers come from behind. Stricter gun laws is the answer in the USA for sure!
kodiac22-25, M
@Carazaa It's telling that Israel has suspended gun regulations and is arming citizens. What new laws do you believe are needed ? Assault weapons are already banned ,background checks are mandatory , full auto weapons are banned. Why aren't you concerned that this person was known to be unstable and dangerous and was released from mental health facility. THIS is by far the common denominator in these cases.No comments about the 75 mass killings avoided by the actions of armed citizens.
FreerangerM
People kill people. Premeditatively.

Here's my solution. If an individual or individuals kill another human being premeditated, and the evidence clearly shows that, at the next available scheduled day, that individual should be executed.
Do THAT to one and all of them and watch the crime drop.

Once again, a nutter ruins it for those who are gun-owning, law abiding citizens. And let me tell you something. Until YOU have faced gun violence, and are unable to defend yourself, you don't know jack. I have, and there is nothing worse, and yes, absolutely please, I would unequivocally use an AR to do that.
Secondly, the "have's" cannot control and subjugate the "have-not's",, until they've confiscated all the firearms.
Good luck with that.

You implement the aforementioned solution and carry out swift justice, I guarantee you'll see a sea change. Straight up.
CarazaaF
@Freeranger I agree, but the problem arises when some are arrested and found guilty that are not guilty.
FreerangerM
@Carazaa Granted, but given the evidence, if the perpetrator has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the criteria, then mete out their sentence immediately. These perps know the worst that happens is that they'll become a lifer or out on parole in what 20? Plead insanity.....they'll probably knock off a few more.
But, if there is a clear path to a premeditated charge, then make their justice swift. Watch the crime rate drop. All the gang bangers, people pushing others in front of trains, kidnapper/torturers........try them, then execute them immediately.
AngelJade22-25, F
Assault weapons are outlawed, they were outlawed by the National Firearms Act when they outlawed machine guns.

Semi automatic weapons are not Assault weapons...almost all hand guns and rifles are semi automatic. Even Trump outlawed bump stocks, a device used to turn a semi auto into a full auto.

This guy did not have a Assault weapon and despite incorrect popular belief, AR does not stand for Assault Rifle.
AngelJade22-25, F
@Carazaa Freedom to hate is legal, that is not a crime. That is protected under the 1st amendment.

[b]YES I HATE YOU[/b]...and that is my right and freedom...[b]deal with it.[/b] I hate anyone who is for taking away the rights of people in the USA...which clearly includes YOU! Keep in mind I don't actually know you or hate you directly, I simply hate people who are for taking away rights in the USA, which you clearly fall into that category.

Guns are legal and always will be unless your advocating for the death of thousands or tens of thousands of people. I thought you were against gun deaths? Such a [c=BF0000][b]hypocrite[/b][/c]...gun deaths bad when a mass shooter but okay for the government to kill thousands to try and disarm and protect the others.

There is millions of people who the only way they are giving up their guns is for the government to attack them, kill them and pull them from their dead hands.

I will die before I ever give mine up, any group of officers showing up...will be a gun battle and my ultimate death...now multiply that by a few million. At least the state and local police will never enforce federal gun laws like that, which means the FBI/ATF will have to hunt us all down and kill us.

Your advocating for far more deaths than a few lives, and worse your advocating the government murder its own citizens...no amount of deaths matters to ensure our rights. A million kids a year could die, don't care...leave us alone. We are doing nothing wrong.

Plus where I live, I have defended myself dozens of times from crimes...the police cannot protect anyone as the Maine example shows, they are [i]100% useless in protecting people.[/i] This is the perfect example of why guns are a right and should be easier to get.

All the time's I've called the police for help, they've always been useless...never protected me. Police are not there for protection but to figure out who did a crime and bring them to justice after the fact.

No one has the freedom to kill, that is[i][b] illegal already[/b][/i]...try enforcing that law first and leave the rest of us alone.

No law can prevent crime, if that is possible then I suggest you fight for a law to prevent all rapes at any cost as top priority.

Rape is a far worse crime than being murdered, I'd rather have been killed...so if you want laws to prevent crime, then pass laws to prevent rape. Not punish people for it...but prevent it.
CarazaaF
@AngelJade So sorry that the police didn't help you!
AngelJade22-25, F
@Carazaa They never have either, even when someone shot my apartment and car when I lived in Las Vegas, they didn't care...enough to even pull the bullets out to try and track down the weapon.

Police might as well not even exist.

Thank you though.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways56-60, F
@Patriot96

Funny thing about those 鈥淏LM Antifa riots鈥:








TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways SOooooooo...
Your saying..
Ummmmmm

You Do Not like White Supremacists

I think of that Great scene..
Out of the Movie

The Blues Brothers

White Supremacists are Idiots
All humans via their D.N.A. are 99.98% the same
So at most a point 02 difference ( 0.02 at most )

Those who choose to Deny
Well..they Simply are Ignorant ( (3 =>$&梅*) lol
ArishMell70-79, M
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Looking at those photographs, two things strike me irrespective of whatever are the demonstrators' beliefs, or their sincerity or justice of cause:

- Why is anyone with no proper cause to do so, even allowed to carry a powerful assault-rifle or similar so openly around the streets?

Such a gun has no conceivable, genuine private-citizen need or use, but is a battlefield weapon designed solely for killing people as rapidly as possible.

So was that brazen "Boogaloo" character carrying it so openly at a demonstration, even if it was actually unloaded (which, unless perhaps with appropriate knowledge, we cannot know), telling everyone saying he would murder anyone in cold blood just for his political opinions?

=====

- The man coldly smashing shop windows, and those rioters setting things on fire, are not types confined to America.

Deliberately destroying innocent "bystander" property is a common, nasty aspect of demonstrations that have gone out control and become riots in many countries; but do the rioters doing that ever stop afterwards and realise just how pointless, stupid and cowardly they were?
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Heartlander80-89, M
So, what"s an assault weapon?

Amazing how no one wants to define what makes a weapon an assault weapon. This is intentional for the obvious reason.
CarazaaF
@Heartlander Whatever you call them is not important. And mental illness is not something constant. A person could be fine one day and lose their family, or their job the next and lose their temper. They should not have a gun handy because they are afraid of a burglar because anyone on a bad day can lose their temper and if they have a gun in their home they could do something they regret. Alcoholics and drug addicts are much more violent than mentally ill people. America needs to learn from europe is more effective. It should also be against the law to fire people like in Europe, because that can trigger someone to lose their temper. A request from the police department and a long background check and a long wait period for a very good purpose like hunting etc.
Heartlander80-89, M
@Carazaa We are all our brother's keepers, so why don't we have general guidelines for what we should do when our brother, sister, parent, child, neighbor, etc shows signs of mental illness. Like remove their access from firearms, take away their car keys, checkbooks, etc. And maybe we should hold guardians responsible for assuring the above. When a person is mentally ill and not responsible for their actions, why are we reluctant to make the guardian then responsible?
pdockal56-60, M
@Carazaa

USA isn't Europe or anyplace else
Unless you live here it's hard to understand
The 2nd ammendment to OUR bill of rights allows we the people to possess firearms
We don't need a reason

If you look @ history
Disarming the citizens is one of the first step to taking citizens rights away and horrific things usually happen after
SW-User
Nothing ever happens
SW-User
@Carazaa America won't change guns are part of the culture
CarazaaF
@SW-User I am praying!
CarazaaF
@SW-User [b]Over 500 mass shootings in the USA ,THIS YEAR! [/b]
TexChikF
Assault weapons are a lib term used to demonize guns.

Had the killer used a truck to drive through a crowd of people, would you then want to ban assault trucks? Bashing your head against the brick wall of the Second Amendment does nothing. But you would have a disarmed populace while the disease-ridden hoards of military-aged illegal alien men pour across our borders? America did not become America because it cowered to violence.
TexChikF
@Carazaa You really should know what in the hell you are talking about before making an ass out of yourself as you have just done here. My family heritage is now corrupt because I disagree with your BS? You must be a lib, and clearly a knee-jerk reactionary, pompous windbag.
CarazaaF
@TexChik Jesus wants us to be loving, pray for our enemies and those who persecute us. Please read your Bible and follow Jesus not Satan!
TexChikF
@Carazaa I think even Jesus would look at you with disdain. Try keeping your ignorant mouth shut until you actually know what you are talking about.
ilikeitlikethat2361-69, M
If the gun enthusiasts want to play with automatic weapons, move to Israel or Ukraine. You can kill all you want there, war is the only place where those weapons are needed. They do not belong in a civilized society, proof is in the news.
BizSuitStacyM
@Carazaa no thanks. I'd rather be able to defend myself against lunatics.
CarazaaF
@BizSuitStacy No one can protect themselves from someone coming from behind with a machine gun! Don't live in fear!
BizSuitStacyM
@Carazaa Ask the families of the 1300 dead Israelis and the 200+ hostages if they wished their loved ones were armed.

This is what living your enemy will get you.
Strictmichael7561-69, M
I see the IDIOTS Slade and Kodiac have blocked me from replying to their stupid remarks
Great cowards! Guns but NO BALLS
Slade56-60, M
@Strictmichael75 Impossible for you to feel like a big boy, you eunuch non binary

You are inferiour
You have always been inferiour
Strictmichael7561-69, M
@Slade Keep insulting me!
I know I got you mad!
馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀
But I won鈥檛 stoop down to your level!
CestManan46-50, F
@Strictmichael75 [quote]But I won鈥檛 stoop down to your level![/quote]
Oh it isn't so bad on his level, kind of entertaining. I stoop down to it all the time. 馃槃
redredredM
The shooter was an army reservist who taught marksmanship. He had, at the army鈥檚 insistence been institutionalized for 2-3 Weeks this past summer and had recently been reporting that he was hearing voices.

The failure here was not civilian access to standard firearms. The failure was on the part of the VA or whoever was treating him. Im quite sure you鈥檙e not advocating the disarming of the army but that鈥檚 who鈥檚 to blame here.
redredredM
I don鈥檛 know. How does that matter? If it was an actual assault rifle capable of fully automatic fire then I would guess he got it from his position in the military. If it was a standard civilian sporting rifle limited to semi-automatic fire then it could well have been his.

Focusing on the weapon when the shooter had exhibited such clear signs of serious mental illness seems pointless. The VA failed this soldier and is responsible for the dead and wounded. @ilikeitlikethat23
ilikeitlikethat2361-69, M
@redredred this case demonstrates the need to have a list of those under care that shoyld not posess weapons. State legislation has been passed to eliminate this restriction.
redredredM
And if the red flag law were limited to actual clinical findings rather than accepting lies from an angry ex-wife they might have become law.@ilikeitlikethat23
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ninalanyon61-69, T
@Max312 That's a curiously off topic ad hominem. What makes you think that a lack of Christianity makes monsters? Or is your definition of Christianity such that being a monster means that you aren't a Christian and that therefore lack of Christianity made you a monster?
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CarazaaF
@Patriot96 The USA do not need to take people in unless they applied for a job here[b] before[/b] they came and have a job lined up and prove it with a written letter from their boss, and have no criminal records! As well as people who can benefit the country in some way.
Patriot9656-60, C
@Carazaa CAN YOU SAY NO
CarazaaF
@Patriot96 NO 馃槀
Roundandroundwego61-69
Being safe leads us to demand even more, like peace with other countries.
Conservatives understand that.
People kill people
Slade56-60, M
@ExperienceDLT when they come for my guns they'll get them - one bullet at a time
@Slade it just amazes me how people just want to give up the protection they have from psychos and corrupt government and leave themselves completely vulnerable
Slade56-60, M
@ExperienceDLT I'm sure we'll hear from Beeto today 馃ぎ
pdockal56-60, M
Don't blame one nut job or the weapon he used

Blame the mental health system & society
pdockal56-60, M
@Carazaa

Then it's not worth talking to you because your clueless

Mentally I'll are the only ones killing people and if the programs were in place then none of this would happen

Guns don't kill
People kill
CarazaaF
@pdockal Guns kill, now you know 馃檪
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Diotrephes70-79, M
@Carazaa I think it's hilarious that they know exactly how many people get killed at any minute in Gaza/Isreal but they can't count how many people get killed by a single shooter in the USA.

[b][i][c=BF0000]Lewiston, Maine mass shootings leave 18 dead as manhunt underway for suspect Robert Card
The Lewiston Police Department said they are searching for suspect Robert Card, who is wanted for multiple counts of murder, following two mass shootings in Lewiston, Maine, that left 18 dead Wednesday.[/c][/i][/b]
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-october-26
CestManan46-50, F
@Diotrephes It is not fake news, although depending on where you find the headline, the number of those killed and injured keeps changing.

I THINK this is it but as mass shootings are a dime a dozen now, hard to say...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/lewiston-maine-shooting-manhunt-gunman-police-live-rcna122270

Maybe @Carazaa could verify if this is the one or not.
Diotrephes70-79, M
@CestManan [quote]It is not fake news, although depending on where you find the headline, the number of those killed and injured keeps changing.[/quote]

We tend to joke with each other once in a while. You can't be serious all of the time.
CarazaaF
@CestManan I don't know the number killed but regardless if it is 18 or 22 it is irrelevant to my point.
@redredred


Laws establish military forces but rarely dictate structure and man power.

But basic English dictates plurals mean more than one person.

And tell me without telling me you don't know anything about the second amendment beyond what the NRA newsletter tells you to think.
redredredM
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow And 鈥減eople鈥 doesn鈥檛 mean the government. 鈥溾he right of the People to keep snd bear arms shall not be infringed鈥. Just how fucking dense are you?
@redredred You call me dense. Yet you completely subtract half the text because feelings and ignore the definitions of whatever you like.


And in the context of the US government in particular "the people" almost exclusively refers to the government. As in throughout the entire legal system. 馃槀


"The people vs X"

doesn't mean random people off the street.
redredredM
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Were talking about the constitution, the highest law of the land. Find another use of 鈥減eople鈥 in the constitution that means the government. I fucking dare you. Just try.
dontbekoi36-40, F
We need to figure out a way to stop putting guns into the hands of people who are mentally unwell. This appears to be a impossible ask. In the meantime, society needs to do a better job protecting our most vulnerable. 馃ズ
ElwoodBluesM
America's gun homicides in perspective

homicide rate vs OECD


per capita gun deaths by state red vs blue

gun deaths by state
ArishMell70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Aside from the party-politics although the reflect it (not vice-versa), do these wide murder-rate differences reflect wide differences in social and economic factors between State?

That would seem the obvious, [i]but[/i] is there something else going on, perhaps very deeply-rooted, beyond these?

After all, many other nominally wealthy, developed countries have similar differences and divisions of their own, but generally lower murder rates, and (excepting terrorist attacks) random "mass" murders are really very rare in them.
ilikeitlikethat2361-69, M
@ElwoodBlues telling isn't it.
ElwoodBluesM
@ArishMell I wish I knew why there is such a disparity in gun deaths between US states, and between 'red' and 'blue' states. Laws, culture, poverty, I suppose they all play a part. What's clear is that fighting gun deaths with more guns is NOT working.
GuyWithOpinions31-35, M
That seems to be a common thing in the states.
GuyWithOpinions31-35, M
@Carazaa i think its more so the amount of psychological pressure some people are under causing some to just snap. I dont know if violent video games has everything to do with it. Alot is happening in the US. With all the political issues, bullying, gender dysphoria, inflation, conspiracies, population density and the "Karen's" out there, its a tough decade to handle.
Slade56-60, M
@helenS c'mon man. That's absolute bullshit.

You are aping the lowest of our demogogues
GuyWithOpinions31-35, M
@Slade these are global problems not just the states. Though mass shootings seems to be more prominent in the US. I blame the media.
The world is just getting more and more insane each day.
TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
@latinbutterfly Unfortunately So..
SHAMEFULLY SO
@Carazaa YES. Just like the Bible also says that there will be wars and rumors and wars, and nations will rise up against nations...which is exactly what is happening now.
TheDisciplinarian56-60, M
@latinbutterfly Not a Good thing
ChipmunkErnie70-79, M
The President has nothing to do with it, it's the Gun Lobby and Right Wing courts.
@ChipmunkErnie President of United States is powerless anyway he/she cant pass anything unless it is voted through so how much so called power do people really think a President has
BizSuitStacyM
The guy was mentally ill. All the clues were there. But sure...blame the gun. 馃檮

@BizSuitStacy best comment 馃憣 馃憤 馃憦
ElwoodBluesM
@Patriot96 says [quote]And you know he used an ASSAULT WEAPON. Please give us a definition[/quote]

The definition in George H. W. Bush's 1994 assault weapon ban is acceptable. We should also limit magazines to ten rounds. Do you have any problem with the definition of a ten round magazine?

BTW, this is what the Dayton shooter used to kill 9 and wound another 17 in 32 sec. Does anyone really think they can make a case for this killing machine to be in private hands?

Yeah, that's a 100 round drum magazine. There's no excuse for magazines over 10 rounds.
ElwoodBluesM
The approach of fighting guns with more guns is FAILING!!!


Australia had a VERY effective gun buyback plus strict controls after a mass shooting, and gun deaths went down dramatically. Australia is a lesson gun nuts desperately want to ignore.

deadgerbil22-25
@ElwoodBlues they'll just come up with excuses and ignore the data. Even worse when some politicians try to campaign for even less control and no background checks
ArishMell70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues I think New Zealand has similar after an atrocity there a couple of years ago.

The British Police work on county-force bases, although are cohesive nationally, and from time to time one of another county force will have a weapons amnesty.

These yield all sorts of things including knives, swords and guns, and occasional so-called "martial arts" items, knuckle-dusters and the like. Many of the guns were "war souvenirs" or had been legally held and used but by someone now deceased, and being disposed of by the family.

The weapons are not bought, and are really of little legal monetary value anyway, so the actions are by conscience not for gain; but they do collect a lot of nasty things that should not be about.

Since it's no questions asked, I daresay some weapons are from people who had them for all the wrong reasons but now wanting to live a decent life.
JimboSaturn51-55, M
I heard there were 585 mass shootings in the US this year; that's more than one a day. How bad does it get before people realize it's an epidemic?

Like another user says, this level of mass shootings occurs on no other place on the planet.
helenS36-40, F
@JimboSaturn I wonder why the women and mothers of America don't start destroying all guns. The guns which kill their babies.
It's easy to destroy a gun. A simple cheap hammer is all that's needed.
@helenS or the women could raise there kids to not grow up into psychopaths and become mass shooters 馃
If guns are banned and some psycho breaks into one of yalls houses the next day yall would be on here whining about how you couldn't defend yourselves
StevexStephie70-79
@ExperienceDLT That risk would be no greater than it is right now! I will be glad to reduce any risk at all! This is a 鈥榝alse flag鈥 argument. Maybe we should all live underground in case a meteor falls! Let鈥檚 get serious here.
As much as I love this guy's music I hope to live long enough to see a day when this one song becomes historically irrelevant and a sign of a bygone era like the Inquisition.

[media=https://youtu.be/RHQC4fAhcbU]
StevexStephie70-79
But what about those 2nd Amendment rights? Isn鈥檛 that the most important thing in the world? How could we ever live without guns? So deeply sad!
DearAmbellina211341-45, F
Not only does the US need to ban assault weapons, they also need to allocate a vast part of tax funding to MENTAL HEALTH CARE for all citizens.
kodiac22-25, M
Assault weapons are outlawed in the U.S.
kodiac22-25, M
@NaughtyPickle No it doesn't so new laws or banning guns would have little to no effect.
CarazaaF
@kodiac No they are not!
kodiac22-25, M
@Carazaa yes they are ,you can't legally buy an assualt weapon . The only ones are available to military or police. You should research what an assault weapon is.
ElwoodBluesM
@Patriot96 [quote]my home was invaded and my family was threatened. I have carried a weapon for the past 20+ years.[/quote] I'm sorry to hear about the crime committed against your family. Have you carried an assault weapon for the past 20 years?
WintaTheAngle41-45, M
I really like Americans, and loved my time there. But they are absolutely incapable of change.
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KA9ha31-35, M
well trained ARMS INSTRUCTOR of the US armed forces gone berserk

 
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