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One man in USA kills 18 and injures many today! No one needs an assault weapon ever, So sad that the USA hasn't outlawed assault weapons!

Please [b][big]does any president care about kids?[/big][/b] [b][big]500 mass shootings this year! [/big][/b]Can you outlaw assault weapons PLEASE ?? So sad! What do we tell the kids? Do we want kids to be scared and mentally ill?? Please outlaw assault weapons! PLEASE 🥺
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
This fetish for guns as if normal domestic implements to such an extent these killings are common, seems confined to the USA.

I know gun-owning is one the country's most divisive matters. I also know by no means all American households own so much as a pop-gun; yet others like to boast of their arsenals of powerful machines like assault-rifles designed purely to kill people.

I think I am right that there are even more shootings than these wilful ones, some tragically fatal, by accident or negligence. The latter includes occasionally, parents having carelessly left a loaded gun lying about the house, readily accessible to an inquisitive young child.

I know it varies from State to State, but the USA's gun laws seem very loose indeed. In some States it is easier to buy guns and ammunition than beer, in ordinary village shops! A friend bizarrely found he could, despite being a foreigner visiting a region that probably sees few foreign tourists. (He could replace ammunition he'd expended by invitation on his hosts' private range, on their farm, but could not prove being old enough to buy some beer.)
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Is there something in the American psyche that fosters shooting as the answer to all problems? It's certainly a violent society, but so are those of many nations.


Pressed, American gun-lovers often hide behind their mystical interpretation of a Constitutional, pre-Army [i]Amendment[/i]". So it can be [i]Amended[/i] again, even abolished, by national will via the nation's normal parliamentary process, but would need that will. So citing the Constitution simply evades the question "Why?" - do you want a gun, or guns.

Why own a powerful gun? Some, perhaps, by fear: "My neighbour has a pistol and looks a bit odd. I'd better buy a shot-gun." Others imagine some undefined, inexplicable apocalyptic event, even a second civil-war, so stock their homes and remote bolt-holes with food and ammunition. Still others seem merely, ghoulishly attracted to anything that can kill any living thing just because it can kill, and the more powerful, the more attractive. Like buying an enormous all-terrain SUV just to go shopping - except that the car is not intended as a killing tool.

Sites like SW suggest a nasty undercurrent of widespread, domestic, physical and mental cruelty in US society (the modern offence of "coercive and controlling behaviour" in UK law). Though perhaps we hear only from victims or boastful bullies, not about happy relationships, so the level is not possible to gauge; and domestic bullying is a world-wide problem anyway.

We also see SW posts revealing a strange desire to "nuke" any other country for anything. That thinking is as lazy as its slang, but perhaps from an outmoded American belief that you can shoot any country into the American way.

Hollywood, TV and video game companies make vast profits peddling images of extreme death and destruction for entertainment; very controversial, but often thought to numb some viewers' sensibilities and encourage the already-callous.


So although all of those factors may foster widespread callousness, it still does not really answer,

"WHY so many random killings, in public places, schools, work-places etc.; to a far higher level than in any other otherwise-stable country?"

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Very often the murderer is shot at the scene; by Police, some other gun-carrier, or suicide. So unless he (I have not heard of female "mass" killers) has left definite evidence at home, his motive is indeterminable. The motive is unique to the incident but some motives may be common in general ways, such as grudges.

Speculation, and blanket assertions by non-psychologists of the perpetrators' unspecified "mental illness", are pointless; but genuine analysis of left evidence and personal knowledge, may at least help explain the incident. Better still, if such shooters are also caught alive, and made to account for their actions personally, perhaps it may be easier to find just what are the common causes of the so many needless deaths .


Something must be there in US society to harbour a uniquely-American problem only Americans themselves can address; but [i]as well as[/i] unthinking gun-fetishism, what?
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell God might be punishing USA for producing most of the violent movies and video games and loving violence, and many let their children watch too. I believe God gives us what we deserve, a curse!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa How can people cold-bloodedly shooting complete strangers at random, for no clear reasons, be how your God is punishing your country for making violent fantasies?

I can see your God would object to violent films, but that would be a strange and callous way for a supposedly loving deity to show it. I'd certainly not believe in such a divine hypocrite. If he really wanted to, and really could, do anything positive, wouldn't he be subtly manipulating everyone into seeing guns for what they really are; so no-one wants to own even a sports starting-pistol without genuine cause?

I can understand religious rites may comfort the victims' families, as supporting the bereaved has always been one of the purposes of most religions, but they will not stop more such killings. Only society, of all faiths and none, examining itself in human terms can reach any way to that.

God Bless America - but is it the Bible or the Bullet, that is Holy? Or both? Poor old God!
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell God has high standards. He is Holy! He will punish all sin in a country. More money is made by movies in USA than anywhere. The old governor of California was a movie star. Americans worships movie stars. They love violent movies instead of Gods word. And they even let kids watch. Many American children watched "Freddie" a new violent movie this week in preparation for Halloween!.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa This response is insane
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Punish all sin... what, you mean God is punishing the entire USA by encouraging random murders?


You believing in your God is one thing, but you seem totally unable to grasp:

1) Not everyone believes in your deity - which is by personal choice anyway.

2) Not everyone who does believe in a god, is of your religion - again personal choice, at least in our countries.

3) The concept that being religious means being moral, so being non-religious means being [i]a[/i]moral, is neither logical, nor seen in fact.

You can be a lovely or thoroughly nasty person, religious or not in either case. A lot of people who lead what you'd probably regard as virtuous Christian lives, are agnostic or atheist - they just don't need a deity; and why should they?. Sadly, there also many who find religious fervour their ready excuse for being manipulative, cowardly bullies - and worse.

I should add I am as opposed to enforced atheism as enforced religion: in that respect there is no difference between Afghanistan and China.

4) Pray as much as you like, but whilst it may comfort you, it will not free the world from atrocities like random "mass" murders.

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Those murders may reflect personality disorders, in some cases.

They may stem from festering grudges, in others.

They may be influenced by gratuitously violent films, but whilst the existence of that genre is itself disturbing, by no means everyone brought up on Hollywood rubbish goes on killing sprees. It goes back a long way too, to those idiotic "Westerns" of characters played by the likes of John Wayne cleanly killing "Injuns" or robbers a mile away with single revolver shots. At least, in most such films, the goodies win, the baddies lose.

They (the random murders) almost certainly are helped by unfettered access to guns: but most gun-owners, however rabidly attached to "amendments", are never going kill anyone, nor I hope kill any wild animal merely for "pleasure". (Though I'd certainly be with you in asking their perceived "need" to own tools designed solely to kill people; but many seem terrified that some future Government might ask the same....).

What they are[i] not,[/i] is any indication of any particular religious opinion. Random murders that [i]are[/i] in the name of some religion or another, are normally defined as "terrorist" for having a declared aim beyond the individuals, usually political as much as theological.

Anyway, even politically-secular democracies like the USA and Western European lands hold far more selfishness, cruelty and oppression than murder in the name of one or another "God"; but it is hidden behind the closed doors of chapels and homes.


So proselytise, pray and blame God in Heaven as much as you want; but it won't solve awful social problems in real life here on Earth. They, and their solutions, go beyond "Bible-thumping".
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell [b]God gives a country the leaders they deserve. We produce and spend millions on violent movies in USA that people love!
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[b][big]GENESIS 33[/big][/b]
"12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

13 The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

16 There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.

17 An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

18 Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

20 Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield.

21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.

22 Let thy mercy, O Lord, be upon us, according as we hope in thee."
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa It's always struck me as ironical that, at least here in Britain, people used to become all hot-and-bothered about steamy sex scenes in American-made films yet saw nothing wrong in those old-fashioned "Westerns" that settled scores by cold-blooded shooting and always portrayed the original residents - the ones to whom God had actually given the continent in the first place - as inferior and brutish.

Since then films became even worse in both regards, yet many of the amateur censors still seem to regard the copulating as nastier than the killing.

However before we become too bothered about the rubbish from Hollywood, it's as well to remember that humanity has always had a horrible fascination with inhumanity as a spectacle; and in ages past it was real not fantasy that drew the crowds.

- The Romans (pre-conversion) executing early Christians in dreadful ways as entertainment, out of institutional fear;

- Executions for all manner of Church and "ordinary" crimes, with hanging by gibbet being slow but perhaps the least barbaric; always public and drawing big crowds;

- Assorted blood-"sports" (hunting[i][/i] and animal-fights) that still continue to this day, although in Britain at least most have become illegal over the years.....

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That Genesis text seems rather self-contradictory. It tells us not to get above our station and that God is in charge; yet Verse 12 is probably one of those small fragments of the Bible responsible for most of the trouble even since.

Of course, when it was written by its unknown Hebrew priest, the concept of a nation as we know may not have existed, at least not in that region. He may have meant the community rather than a defined tract of land, especially to his rather nomadic, Late Bronze Age, tribal flock.

However, for sheer effrontery V.12 takes a lot of beating even though apparently moderated by the next three verses saying, more or less, all people are equal afore the Lord. Putting the chosen-ones line first makes it easy to ignore those next three, and the ones saying even kings are not invincible.

Claiming kings are not infallible does not seem the wisest act of a mere priest, though it may have been the Hebrews' own leader at the time who had actually said or even written it.
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell Yes, and if we stole the country from the indians, or if we treat them badly God will punish us I believe. Any violence regardless of the source real or fantasy is sin according to Jesus. We are to be loving. USA is not always loving the poor and the needy!

I am not poor or needy but I think we need more mental institutions, and more gun control. We can't close mental hospitals and stop prayers in school, and have Satan in our churches teaching hate and be a blessed country. 🥺
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa The USA is not the only one whose indigenous people suffered from settlers.

As for how God might punish America rather than Bless her, I suppose the problem is how to punish any country without making all the innocents suffer, be it by God or Man.

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Britain used to have big mental hospitals that did mean well but were seen eventually as more problem than solution, for it was all too easy to be put into one and left there for years until you became totally dependent on it.

So they were all closed apart from a few special units: secure prison-hospitals for the small number of convicted murderers and the like, and small community hospitals or wards in ordinary hospitals for the many who are ill and innocent. Otherwise, the mantra was "Care In The Community" but how well it has worked is another matter, because all such services are expensive and there is only so much money available. I think it's very patchy around the country, and various charities give a lot of help.

On the other hand, mental illness is now seen as such a blanket term, and the stigma that it once attracted has largely gone, that on the whole most patients do seem to have at least a reasonable life. There are people on the streets here, but I doubt most are so through mental illness.


Not far from me is a building that had had a far worse past. It was built as the local "work-house", a grim 19C way to give the most desperate poor food and shelter, in days when being poor was thought all your own fault and you deserved all you got. (Even being unable to repay debts was an offence, until it dawned on people that imprisoning debtors is not really very helpful.) In the 20C it became a maternity hospital for many years - when that eventually closed its starkly elegant main building was preserved outwardly but converted inside into flats.

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I don't know if UK schools still have short religious Assemblies to start each day, as they did when I were but a lad. It was easy then, because most Britons were nominally Christian, and if you didn't believe in God the ritual did not really mean anything anyway. The Assembly was also a chance for any school-wide announcements. It's harder now because although Christianity is still nominally the main faith, we're such a mixture or all faiths and none that it would have to be a remarkably ecumenical service; not just a hymn or two and a couple of prayers that would suit Anglicans. Catholics and the non-Conformist sects alike.


I don't know what you mean by Satan preaching in your churches, but I'd certainly not want to use a church that preaches division and hatred.
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell God explains that "A country who's God is The Lord will be blessed." When a country leaves Christ then it will be cursed by God, goes into poverty, and eventually slavery. Until they repent; then they will prosper and be blessed again.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Emotional blackmail, eh?
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell No, just a warning, and Gods law. Just as If you don't eat nutritious food you die!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa So you actually believe that god is punishing theUS because we play video games. Not only is that totally off the wall but you're re saying is god is responsible for mass killings .
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Slavery eh? Bit like the old plantations run by oh-so-Christian Britons and Americans?

Cursed? A curse only works, if at all, if you imagine it will.

Poverty? Don't tell the People's Republic of China, the avowdly-atheist nation dangerously on course to be the world's richest; while oppressing its Uyghur people simply for being godly.

Repent and you will be rich again: religion and financial success combined?
Carazaa · F
@ArishMell The Gospel is going out to the entire world, even china!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@ArishMell it really hopeless trying to debate with someone so delusional
Carazaa · F
@kodiac He is very nice and I like debating with him. He is not abusive!
Carazaa · F
@kodiac God punishes all sin, so now you know!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@kodiac LOL!
Carazaa · F
@kodiac God does not want us to enjoy violence, but Gods word and loving kindness which is the opposite of violence!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa I'm not abusive just honest. Most of my responses are quotes of your words. The post is about mass killings. Your words ,god is punishing the US for assorted reasons. So logical mind takes that to mean the mass killings are the work of god as a way of punishing the US . You said it not me . It seems odd time after time we hear of the horrible punishments meted out by god but never any examples of gods love.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@Carazaa You're speaking FOR god again . How do you know what god wants?
Carazaa · F
@kodiac Instead of accusing God of not being just, accuse us humanity of sin!