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Vidoc2 · 31-35, M
No
I’m about gender equality so no benefit or obligation should go to women that doesn't go to men
Is being a stay at home dad not a thing?

ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
Paying people not to work is never a good idea. It makes people lazy, disrespectful to themself and ...well..hell...I was proud to see what I could do, obtain, save.
Take away challenges... make everything free.... God helps us all!
I'm tired of my hard working tax dollar supporting the unmotivated people.
Sorry...touched on a subject that triggers me.
@ShadowWorker the ecosystem demands it. Too bad it's not your cup of tea. Sadistic people won't allow the ecosystem.
@NoahB Face your youth, your inexperience, your ignorance. I don't know who the "he" your're referring to, my post was a response to your original message!
NoahB · 31-35, M
@notyouraveragedummy oh! Fair enough lol
BlueVeins · 22-25
No, I support the idea of a UBI, but idk why we'd target it at starting families when the world population is already rapidly growing. If the bill were on the house floor, I'd vote for it, but it'd be less divisive and last longer if you just instated a regular UBI.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@NoahB I don't think you'd enjoy living in your pajamas after a month or so. Perhaps you'd find a job that you actually do like.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@BlueVeins oh I'd have a job alright. But it wouldn't be THIS shit lol
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Yes ---- I now identify as a woman. Where is my money??
NoahB · 31-35, M
@TheDeathOfOzymandiaz i'm working on it! these people aren't biting lol
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
no. they need to make daycare more accessible so mothers can work. The majority of the reason mothers can't work or better their life is because they can't afford $800 daycare a month on a ten-dollar-an-hour salary
@DeluxedEdition I applaud your answer, DE. So many single women manage their children in a poverty cycle. They cannot upgrade their education. They cannot afford daycare. Their jobs often end up paying a minimum wage which is not a living wage. They have no benefits so they cannot afford meds for themselves or their children. Men can complain about paying child support but these same men are not living in poverty. It is sad lives these women lead. Desperation and worry and stresses shorten their lifespans. And their children pay the price too.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@NoahB I’m sorry I just wanted that to be said 😭
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@PoetryNEmotion you said it very well I’m glad we were able to shed some light on this horrific issue today
Whodunnit · M
Where will this money come from?

You're potentially cutting your taxpaying workforce in half and then paying out more 'benefits' than ever. In which case taxes would have to rise to cover those costs (most likely income tax) and single working men would essentially be paying for other people to have children.

I'm sure your heart is in the right place but that's absolute lunacy.

It's not even as if the world is especially desperate for lots of extra children to be born. We've got more than enough people as it is.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@MethDozer bro i'm trying to sleep in a hammock all day and send the hoe to work but everyone is fighting against my vision of a better world
MethDozer · M
@NoahB Just throwing this out there. If we both had UBI she could also stay home and give you hammock handies.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@MethDozer oh Alright,,,,,
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
The problem is too much government already. Increasing the size and impact of government will only make the problem worse.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@NoahB Because you like paying huge taxes and getting no services? That is Canada at the moment. If you get sick don't plan on going to the hospital and certainly don't plan on using an ambulance. Both services are very badly over used and under served.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@hippyjoe1955 if it works out in America I’ll move back. Hedging my bets lol
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@NoahB Yeah I would be going the other way. I have lived under a low tax regime and an ever increasing high tax regime. The lower taxes made for a much more civilized society. The loss of economic and individual freedoms as the taxes increased was palpable. Not at all pleasant. And for the higher taxes we gained no benefit. The hospitals are no better the roads are worse the schools are a mess and the only people getting rich are corrupt government workers. Harmless activities I did as a kid are now banned or strictly regulated. The excellent care I would get at a hospital is long gone. The family cohesion as husband and wife worked together to raise their children doesn't exist any more as spouses are treated like disposable goods. He spilled the milk this morning so I will serve him with divorce papers. She burned the toast today so divorce is the only solution. Those who have kids put them in warehouses as they rush off to meaningless jobs that serve no purpose other than self gratification. Kids growing up knowing their high priced daycare workers better than their own Mom or Dad.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
OMG. Are you full blown-out crazy? Why women only? That's hardly fair. But, quite honestly the idea of just handing out checks under a UBI philosophy is flawed from the get-go. You only make it less appealing, more counter-productive, and more prone to fraud by outright discriminating against everyone EXCEPT only one segment of the population. And, to help bring you back to earth, it's not only couples wanting to start a family and women in particular who experience financial stress. Have you ever heard of students? What about veterans who make up a large segment of the homeless population? Have you ever heard about people just starting out on their own?

May I suggest you go back to the whiteboard in your isolated elitist world and develop usable suggestions that can actually be applied under real-world (not Sim World) conditions?
NoahB · 31-35, M
@MarkPaul I’m having fun
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@NoahB 🤨 It's not just about having fun and collecting stimulus money. You need to be responsible. Damn it.
@MarkPaul Couldn't have said it better myself.
Carazaa · F
It's possible to start a family on one income so the first few years Mom or Dad can stay home. Kids need a good start. Buying a house on one income not two helps. And having no credit cards helps too. But its hard. I think its good to have help from Granparents too, Government can help with longer paid leave for childcare, and help subsidizing preschools.
Djac17 · 22-25, M
Yes. With record inflation, government spending money it doesn't have, and a over 30 trillion national debt, yes, a universal basic income for women is EXACTLY what this country should do rn 😑
NoahB · 31-35, M
@hippyjoe1955 don't pull off my legs
Djac17 · 22-25, M
@NoahB Yeah those things aren't related man. Nobody saw COVID coming.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Djac17 I did. I said it would happen if trump lowered taxes and nobody listened. now look at us
Entwistle · 56-60, M
I would support it for every person. Not just women.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@BohemianBabe Look kid... we're giving you a platform to express yourself. Don't squander this opportunity.
@MarkPaul But I want to!
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
WhateverWorks · 36-40
Without laws to keep basic cost of living in ratio with minimum wage it would only result in further inflation
WhateverWorks · 36-40
In the States there are a ton of resources for the homeless (depending on region), so starvation or dying on the street is mostly not a realistic concern unless you refuse to follow the rules (which are not unreasonable rules for the most part, except some of the super religious organizations that require conversion/practice) of those facilities/agencies, which offer shelter, food, semi-permanent housing, toiletries, case management to help Connect with employment/training/education etc, Child care, State insurance etc. @BlueVeins
BlueVeins · 22-25
@WhateverWorks Fair, but you get the point. People spend like, half their waking hours at work; it shouldn't be something you just suffer through to avoid food insecurity and homelessness, you know? There should be some form of utility a regular person can get from it to at least make it tolerable.
WhateverWorks · 36-40
I think we need more pathways for people to find vocations that they feel are existentially meaningful that are also within their skill set or potential skill set, but without that I don’t think a little extra money would help the stagnation cost you’re talking about long-term. It’s my biggest grievance with all the social programs in the States presently offer: they discount the significance of people feeling like they are living a meaningful life. They offer people a myriad of options that are dead ends then we act surprised when many people sit in complacency on programs, more willing to acclimate to having less, learning to not mind than the prospect of working for meaninglessness. @BlueVeins
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
This would never work. I have friends where the wife has the best career, her husband would love to stay home and take care of the kids. Why should he be excluded?
How about a gay couple. Why should they be excluded?
UBI is a bad idea and not sustainable
NoahB · 31-35, M
@GJOFJ3
If they’re a couple already and he wants to be a stay at home dad 2 checks to the wife wouldn’t change that. It’d just increase their
Income buttttt
ooooo got me on the gay couple thing. Checkmate there lmao.
Bartleby · 51-55, M
UBI is an interesting concept but if it’s women only, it’s not universal. 😉

Single-payer healthcare and paid maternity leave would probably work better than UBI but that’s a guess on my part.
Is this only for women with children??? I don’t have them but would love to get paid to be at home. If you do it for one you have to do it for all.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Pinkstarburst I didn't specify. Was thinking all women
chrisCA · M
Are you an American?
Compared to other developed countries, the US is lacking in support for women who want to have children.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@chrisCA i do. And I know. And I think from the knee jerk reaction in the replies at even the implications you’ll see why it sucks for women so hard here 😂
Morrigan · F
Can I have my money now , I have run out of popcorn...
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Morrigan nobodies budging. But refills are on me
SW-User
Limiting it to women might have gone over well about a century ago. Maybe arrange with @JohnOinger to time-travel back and promote the idea then.
SW-User
I think people who don't have basic financial/mental stability shouldn't start a family in the first place.


Paying healthy people not to work is a insult to people with disabilities and to people who work hard.
SW-User
@NoahB @Entwistle If someone is disabled and needs constant care from others for their daily needs, it is not wise to have kids.

There can be exceptions on a case to case basis.

I choose not to have kids for similar reasons.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@SW-User Many disabled people don't need constant care.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@SW-User i respect your decision but i think thats a choice for the individual to make. either way i see no reason to keep the money from disabled women
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
What is universal basic income?
@smileylovesgaming It's when everyone gets annual free money from the government.
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
@BohemianBabe small amount would be fine. Just enough to fill up your gas tank or buy groceries for a week.
@smileylovesgaming Yeah, I think it should be a grand a month. With that amount, people would still have to work.
Why for women only? Why not for everyone?
@NoahB It matters because it gives the woman more agency, even before she gets married. And what if there's a divorce?
Besides, most working-class people are suffering. We should be helping all of them, not only some of them based on gender or race or whatever.

Also, I don't think most men are dead set on having a stay at home wife. But even if that was the case, that should be up to the couple. All the government should do is give everyone the same social programs, then let them figure it out.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@BohemianBabe
It matters because it gives the woman more agency
thats a good thing
even before she gets married. And what if there's a divorce?
what if there is? who cares. There are divorces with this dynamic all the time already.
Besides, most working-class people are suffering.
this would help them.
We should be helping all of them, not only some of them based on gender or race or whatever.
I said gender specifically. Don't muddle this up.
@NoahB Why is it a good thing that women have more agency than men?

And why would it be better to help working-class women as opposed to working-class people?
No
UBI should be for everyone. We don't need more kids on this planet and fortunately we left the tradwife times behind us.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
We need more birth control in this world, not more births.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Why are we encouraging the further over population of earth when there are people who can responsibly recognize they cannot support another dependent thus take measures to ensure there's no procreation?
MethDozer · M
@Starcrossed His point is to put conservatives into a tight spot with their inconsistencies
chrisCA · M
@MethDozer Yes. Some states are forcing women to give birth.
Penny · 46-50, F
hahahaha like that would even be a possibility. it wouldnt be fair ot men at all. just like life is not fair to women but that cant be helped lol
@Penny We'll always have inequality, but we can reduce it as much as possible depending on the situation.
Penny · 46-50, F
@NoahB men wouldnt allow that i am quite sure
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Penny i think your right judging by their reaction to my post lol
Ontheroad · M
No, but I would consider some type of UBI for a single parent... regardless of sex of the parent and I for sure 100% support equal pay for women.
Spotpot · 46-50, M
@Ontheroad And equal pay is what women get today for equal work.
Ontheroad · M
@Spotpot I guess you believe what you wrote and that is exactly the problem, or a large part of it. It is true that in certain industries and in certain countries women of today earn closer to what men earn when doing the same job. However, globally and in spots and certain industries (globally) women are still far behind men in getting equal pay for equal work/job performance. In no country is there absolute parity.
Yes. Obviously every Cosby and Weinstein would hate it.
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
No I think this would set up a terrible precedent.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Ceinwyn its all about marketing. Just call it the "Family and Home for Americans Restructuring Act" and they'll eat it up
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@NoahB Nonsense.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Ceinwyn Such is the state of politics
SW-User
no, that's sexist, and why do we need to encourage procreation? that seems to be doing fine
That implies women should be kept out of the workforce. UBI should go to everyone. I would support paid maternity (and paternity) leave to ease the burden of having kids.

What if the mother wants to work and the father wants to stay home with the kids? Does he get a check in that case?
NoahB · 31-35, M
@LeopoldBloom If the mother wants to work she'll get two checks. More income shouldn't have any baring on the fathers decision to be a stay at home husband
Carissimi · F
No. What about equality? Doesn’t sound very equal to me.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Carissimi yeah well news flash, it’s never been equal lol
Elessar · 26-30, M
Many will go get their d_cks removed tomorrow morning if that means we've finished working
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Elessar and?
Elessar · 26-30, M
@NoahB And UBI becomes universal again 🙌
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Elessar lmao
Didn’t you know in 2022 we’re all about equality
Spotpot · 46-50, M
I dont support any form of discrimination so no.
Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
No discrimination on the basis of sex. Pay everyone or no one.
Paladin · 61-69, M
SW-User
Hell no. There’s plenty of people on this planet
NoahB · 31-35, M
@SW-User fair point
handing out money so people wont work is doing great things already. lets just ramp that shit up a notch. LOL fuck it, lets everybody stay home and chill. ( pops open a beer).
MethDozer · M
@YourMomsSecretCrush UBI doesn't actually encourage people to not work. It encourages them to actually work. Welfare is what discourages working since often the jobs available to those on it don't offer much growth and a lose of their check.
DDonde · 31-35, M
NoahB · 31-35, M
@DDonde straight to the point. I like it
SW-User
NoahB · 31-35, M
@SW-User yeah no sorry lol. Biden’s not my dad and neither is trump. My dad is my dad and he’s a very good man
SW-User
@NoahB Bye now.
NoahB · 31-35, M
@SW-User see ya!
MethDozer · M
Nope. UBI should be for everyone. The main problem with unemployment, welfare, and other social saftey nets is that they are conditional.

In this case the conditions are very different and are problematic in different ways but it boils down to why just women? Why should it be gender dependent?
MethDozer · M
@empanadas partial shadowban.
MethDozer · M
@NoahB So would UBI but it would make more sense.
MethDozer · M
@empanadas I think this stunt account might also have something to do with it. Andrew and Nuno are humorless
empanadas · 31-35, M
No because where is that money going to come from. I agree its a problem. However, I don't think that's the solution. They should make the living expenses more livable. Lower housing cost to equal the current job market wages. Although, I do think Single mother's should get some type of help
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NoahB · 31-35, M
@BlueVeins my mexican ass is having mucho kids
NoahB · 31-35, M
@Darksideinthenight2 lol my post is about having kids but somehow your post got tagged as fetish. Something not adding up

 
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