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TexChik · F
The ownership of guns is restricted. No one under the age of 18 can legally own a gun. No convicted felon or mentally ill person can legally own a gun.

Aside from this the second amendment of the constitution prevents the government from infringing on an American citizen’s right to keep and bear arms.
TexChik · F
@butterflybaby75 Hardly. Maybe in your mind and in your world you depend on government to give you everything, and inversely can take it all away from you. You havent any idea what you speak of with regard to American ideals or American society, but that certainly doesnt stop you from blathering on. Guns keep your society safe and you and your fellow citizens under control. That is not freedom. The only flawed thinking is you actually believing you know what you are talking about when you havent the first clue. Police here dont sit around waiting to catch some desperate soul on facial recongnition software trying to buy food for their family only to be surrounded by a gang of armed police officers, beaten, and taken into custody. Guns here prevent that from ever happening. You on the other hand are unarmed and a subject of an armed authority who answers to no one but itself. You dont like that Americans are free? Then dont come here.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@butterflybaby75 So about those mass shootings that never happen because someone with a gun shoots the one planning on doing the mass shooting? You remember that church a few years back? Maybe the 'Draw Mohammed' shooting or the one the other night at the concert. You might want to rethink that statement. After all every law enforcement officer in the country carries a firearm.
Peaches · F
@butterflybaby75 That's not the only reason people own guns. I grew up poor in the south, and my cousins and uncle hunted for some of our food out in the country where we lived. They taught me how to shoot, AND to never point a gun at a person, even if it were unloaded. We have that privilege in America. It's a different world than the one I grew up in now.😔I can't imagine shooting anyone, but if I had to protect myself and it was the ONLY way I'd do it!

Restricted, definitely. Not as easily purchased.
banned.. no... restricted.. yeah absolutely... why the fuck do you need a license and a test to drive a car but not for a gun
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@SquirrelGirl in my state you certanley do need a license and for a hand gun a permit that is not given out quickly.min.age 21 for a hand gun record check and reaso
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@SquirrelGirl We have a license and permit for all our fire arms.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@SquirrelGirl wrong some states you have to take a safty coarse
Budwick · 70-79, M
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Strictmichael75 [quote] life has changed[/quote]

So what?
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@Budwick the anties seam to think guns are bad some day they may understand that a gun has no mind of its own.maybe long prison time with no parole posable until prison time is served and reinstate the death penalty in all 50 states mandatory will help.wake up people guns are not bad people are bad
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@Budwick and that is the reason any other country is going to think hard about fighting our gov. and our residents in this country
Gun ownership should be as restrictive as getting an abortion.

Funny how The Right has no problem with guns being put in the wrong hands to kill actual children but when it comes to the unborn they turn into moralistic vigilantes.
@beaglehunter We did have King Donny 👑 for a while, but his second Coronation was stolen and all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put his crown back on his head again. Because there was too many of his unworthy subjects who were mean and unfair to him and made him look bad. Even the toilets in his White House Palace refused to flush. Obama must have broken them the same way he broke the Air Conditioning and made it either too hot or too cold and that's why he had to leave his Golden Throne so often to play golf 🤷‍♂️
@whippersnapper [b]Thank you.[/b]
They don’t even see their own hypocrisy. 🤦🏽‍♀️
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@whippersnapper your mother should have had one
kodiac · 22-25, M
28 people die everyday from drunk driving crashes ,maybe we should ban alcohol.
tindrummer · M
@kodiac guns, unlike cars, are made for one purpose - to kill - so reasonable regulation is ...REASONABLE!
kodiac · 22-25, M
@tindrummer I agreed that regulations are needed but that's not good enough for any of you .You just want to paint all gun owners with the same brush .Guns are not created to solely kill PEOPLE.
kodiac · 22-25, M
@CorvusBlackthorne I gave him plenty of time to respond ,dude is a constant shit stirrer and that's why i blocked. Edited for spelling to placate the grammar nazi.
There should be background checks and you should have to pass a mental health test and gun saftey class.
@Graylight This is comically bad faith.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@BohemianBoo There's nothing comical about it. Mental health and police response will be the diversions for this latest shooting. Will throw around phrases no one understands or appreciates, nothing will get done because, in fact, the opposite is more often done, and more people will die in the future. All so young guys can carry around 9mm in their glove compartments.
@Graylight Mental health is only used as a diversion when it's used to change the subject away from gun control. I think we should have more gun control, including not allowing someone to buy a gun if they have a mental illness that can make them dangerous. Healthcare, as a whole, should also be more affordable through expansion of the ACA.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online record.

In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI.

Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%.

So, firearms are used in suicides and murders. We know they can kill children. It's not just assault rifles but all firearms that are an issue and considered dangerous.

So yes, at least for now access to firearms should be heavily restricted until we figure out how to conductor cells like grown human beings and stop killing each other with all our freedom.

(Source: Pew Research)
Laws need to be far more restrictive. I am not anti-hunting, target practice , self protection. Otherwise, we need responsible, sensible gun laws in every state.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Grateful4you we already have them. But people like you are the ones in power and are not enforcing those laws or even refusing to enforce those laws because they don't fit an agenda.
When the Republicans take control of the House they will reinstate trump as the Supreme Leader of the NRA party.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@softspokenman i never heard him do that but its possible that he did.i voted for obama the first time but not the second.in my mind he thought he was the owner of the country.i did vote for trump .and will again.trump was the first republican i ever voted for and i have voted every election since i was 21 and am now 77.i am discusted with who we have now especialy how he pulled out of the last war. my son was in the navy for 24 years and not on a ship or plane served in the last 2 wars on the ground in one of the most dangerous jobs on the ground (eod} and biden leaves some of our most secret equipment for who ever. lets go brandon
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@beaglehunter @softspokenman NO, just a serious question.
@nudistsueaz Serious questions are answered with 'yeahbut and whatabout' .
Ownership banned? Absolutely not. Restricted? Depends on why a/restrictions would be needed.
@soar2newhighs Are you familiar with the concept of red flag laws? Basically, if you've said or done anything suspect recently, it would show up when you go to buy a gun, and your purchase might be delayed for a while, or even denied. That's what was needed with that guy in Buffalo, because he was bragging all over social media about what he planned to do.
Peaches · F
Restricted to where mentally challenged people can't get them. If you have an assault charge you shouldn't be able to buy one either. The law surrounding gun ownership should be updated. There will never be a ban on them, because then all the "bad guys" would have them all. Like it or not, guns are here to stay. We own guns, and no one is taking them! I've been around guns my whole life without any problems.
Graylight · 51-55, F
At the least, a temporary ban except for those persons with a legitimate, active need to carry one.

What will that do? Offer some much-needed breathing room for an honest discussion about the best regulation policy for this country. Canada is a nation swimming in guns, but their regulations are among the strictest anywhere. [i]And it works.[/i]

If you're not arguing the freedom for you yourself to walk through Dunkin' fully strapped, be careful about arguing for everyone else right to also do so.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@dakotaviper Really? Worked in so many countries. Couldn't possibly work in this one.

Criminals get guns primarily as stolen items, meaning: [i] The guns belong to "responsible owners."[/i]
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Graylight feel free to give up your guns now if you own any. As for me, if they make it pass George, then they can have my guns, but they'd have to get pass George first.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@dakotaviper Busy saving lives with yours, are you? Protecting against all that danger like a cowboy superhero?
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
Is licensing and taxing vehicles to limit their use to those competent and trained to use them, and to pay for the infrastructure they require, "banning or restricting" them? Is regulating and limiting the use of powerful drugs to assure they are used for the proper reasons "banning or restricting" them? Is regulating and taxing alcohol, tobacco, and recreational drugs to help assure they are used appropriately and only by adults and paying for the health consequences of their use "banning or restricting" them?
nedkelly · 61-69, M
Simple answer - NO

Better education would be ideal
nedkelly · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire How many have died in car accidents in the last week?
@nedkelly
Cars are not manufactured for the sole purpose of killing things.
tindrummer · M
@nedkelly irrelevant - guns are made for only one purpose - to kill
LunarOrbit · 56-60, M
Restricted. Definitely.

If most gun offences like school shootings are from a certain age group (like 18 yr olds) maybe increase that age restriction to acquire firearms (or certain firearms)to 21 Or 25 yr olds.

We have a right to vote for an elected official but there is age restrictions on that.
As there age restrictions for drinking, driving, giving blood, etc etc etc.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@LunarOrbit so I guess that you're advocating that only people over the age of 21 can join the military then.
LunarOrbit · 56-60, M
@dakotaviper The military doesnt take everyone right?
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
Yes. Whatever the propaganda, guns kill people.
Montanaman · M
@ServantOfTheGoddess people kill people.
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
@Montanaman Often with guns.
Coffeequilt · 51-55, F
@ServantOfTheGoddess A gun has NEVER killed anyone or thing. Evan a gun and bullet has NEVER killed anyone or thing.
The ceitical element is a PERSON, who kills with or without a gun.
InHeaven · F
None of the above. The federal government should be investigated, RESTRICTED and banned.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I believe it’s already restrictive .
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@CopperCicada my opinion doesnt matter man. But I favor gun control legislation .
Zaphod42 · 46-50, M
Whether either of those should or should not be done is a moot point really. It would take a constitutional amendment to do either which itself is extremely unlikely, and even it were to be done there are still some 400,000,000 guns in civilian hands here. The chances of confiscating those are slim at best.

That said, there’s nothing in the constitution about the right to own ammunition.
Banned? No. Restricted? As mentioned below, ownership is already restricted.
No. If anything this is a long overdue call for vigilance.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
To read the 2nd amendment, it's a state issue if at all.

A problem with restrictions is that it gives a government agency the authority to determine who is or isn't sane enough. So considering how some may consider all Democrats to be insane, it would justify taking away their firearms.
@Roadsterrider Sure, but if a person is deemed unable to make life choices due to a mental illness, then they might not be allowed to get married, regardless of their age. We recognize that people who are severely autistic are not able to consent, the same way children aren't able to consent.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@BohemianBoo Someone with psychological problems is already prohibited from owning a firearm, and I support that. The problem is the next step, redflag confiscations. Legislation that allows an anonymous tip to move law enforcement to confiscate a persons firearm without due process, without any evidence. Who gets to decide who is mentally unstable? Who gets to decide when someone loses their constitutional rights?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Strictmichael75

Democrat or Republican?

I was just emphasizing the risk of letting a government agency determine who is or isn't sane enough to own a firearm :)

There are plenty of examples in our history to suggest caution for such paths.

In some states, during the Jim Crow era, Blacks were prohibited from possessing firearms.
God, Black people weren't even allowed to use public facilities.
I some places, people with epilepsy were forced to be sterilized.
There were all kinds of legal schemes to strip Hispanic Americans of their land.
And just being a native American was enough to put you on the receiving end of awful things.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
they are restricted.a convicted fellon can not get a pistol permit at least in my state and can only hunt with a muzzle loader here
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire in some ways i think your right but the fellon should have thought about that before he did what ever got him in trouble first---- or her
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@beaglehunter Or how about the guy I met at OSCI who was 17 years old when he met his 16 year old girlfriend, and her parents accused him of rape literally less than a week after he turned 18? Does he not deserve to defend his home?
The first mass murder that I remember was on Aug. 1, 1966, at the University of Texas campus clock tower. Enrolled student Charles J. Whitman took control of the observation deck and fired several weapons down onto the campus and the surrounding Austin business district. Fourteen people died and over thirty others were wounded. Not much has been done since then to restrict or ban guns. I don't expect to see very much now or in the near future and I am concerned about the next generation of military type weapons made available to the public.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@softspokenman And yet, mass murders had happened as much as 200 years earlier, first recorded in 1764.

What the Whitman incident did was highlight the need for tactical units for crisis response. But Whitman left a note asking that his brain be studied after his death to find out what changed him. He was found to have had a brain tumor pressing on his amygdala, a region of the brain crucial for emotion and behavioral control.

This led to scientific study that's revealed some interesting facts. But we don't treat mental health with the scientific and methodical approach it requires out in the public. We instead use it as a term to kick around; just another of the red herrings thrown out by gun lobbyists and the men they've bought.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-responsible-are-killers-with-brain-damage/#:~:text=His%20autopsy%20suggests%20one%20troubling,for%20emotion%20and%20behavioral%20control.
@Graylight I agree 👍
Sharky86 · 36-40, M
I think people from USA should be allowed to own and use missiles and even nukes but they should be allowed to use them only in USA.

That'd be very helpful for the rest of the planet.
Magenta · F
In this day and age, defo restricted. Although there are already restrictions on the books. No law or restriction will stop the lawless.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@beaglehunter nah, you didn't offend me. yes we are all normal people, but they don't even try to understand that. and they think that banning guns will stop these shootings.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@dakotaviper my dad got me my first rifle for xmas at the age of 9.single shot j.c.higens (sears)he would keep the bolt and watch every move i made.he made me memorise the 10 comandments of gun safty word for word and watch me every time he would let me hold the gun.when he was satisfied of my progress.he finaly took me to the woods walking in front of him and we got to an old sand pit said stop handed me a bullet watched me load it and said see if you can hit that can. i missed it but a few more shots and i got it.was one of the best days of a young boys life.at age 15 i took the safe hunters course given by a ma.game warden and passed 100 percent.i am now 78 still have that gun and actualy it was the first gun my son ever shot. he is now in mid 50s retired from u.s. navy(e.o.d.) as a captain with a bronze star from iraque and another from afganistan.he also loves to hunt mostly bird hunting with a profesanly traind bird dog.i am so happy he is into the hunting sports also and i hope his son will get into it too
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@beaglehunter after 14 years, I just lost my Black Lab to hip dysplasia a couple months ago. Got a Doodle coming from a Champion bloodline around the 4th of July. I hope she's adaptable to 'smoke poles'.
The Republicans will never ban guns or restrict ownership, case closed.
butterflybaby75 · 46-50, F
Lets see there is still half of 2022 to go - What is the 'frequency' of lone-wolf home-grown terrorist mass-shootings in the USA? How many more will occur before year-end?

That's what the mass-shootings are - terrorist events. Home grown lone wolf terrorism is the worst kind because it's insidious and reflective of the culture in which it breeds.
I think we should have more requirements to own one (or atleast make it expensive, where an 18yr old can’t afford one) but we also need stricter laws, on what happens when you bring a gun to campus.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@SweetNSassy we already have the Gun Free Zone legislation that a Senator from the State of Delaware by the name of Joseph Biden who authored it and it was passed by the House and Senate and signed into Law by President William Jefferson Clinton back in the early 1990's. Look at how well that is working.
@dakotaviper I know they don’t let guns on campus but we need a law that says if you bring a gun you will be shot. Or something to that effect.
It is too late for gun control. It is like the one ring in Lord of the Rings, once they put their hand on it, it owns them.. it is their precious... They cannot stop wanting it, or stop protecting it. Nobody will ever take it from them except from their cold dead fingers.
Human1000 · M
hell no, AR-15s are sexy

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Human1000 · M
@Elessar u missed my point, but it’s all good
@UreBesFrend Apparently they are rubbing more than their gins with oil 🥴 Pathetic losers
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Human1000 I was unsure whether it was sarcasm or not, in fact, lol
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
i bet the queen and all the top leaders in the ukare protected by a lot of people with guns. do you think that her and the rest of them are better than you.i bet not
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire well you should not read my posts .i can read it and i think most others can too
@beaglehunter Or you could take a remedial course in grammar, so people don't have to decipher your posts.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire yes i could but you have to understand my spelling is bad and i dont use proper english because i had to quit school and go to work at an early age but i manage to get my point across. how ever i am not dumb enough to sell a bag of weed to an under cover cop.maybee you should have thought about what would happen before you decided to sell pot to anybody let alone an under cover cop.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
Yes banned unless it is an absolute neccessity .
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Changeisgonnacome A bit of ambiguity in the 2nd amendment there. It should be interesting.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State ..."

seems to protect the state from infringement by the federal government as well as other states. States aren't subdivisions of the federal government, but entities with their own rights and constitutions. But then the Supreme Court is a federal institution with the authority to dissolve state rights spelled out in the constitution.

Sounds like a constitutional crisis may be brewing :)
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Changeisgonnacome [quote]the supreme Court is expected to rule that gun rights may not be limited by the states.[/quote]

The 2nd Amendment says gun rights can't be infringed by anybody.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
@Heartlander or a civil war that we may never recover from.
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Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
Of course. There should be virtually none. The use of force by police, the losses of life-. It can all be phased out.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
there are many look up federal laws of who can and who cant own a gun state laws also
Really · 80-89, M
@beaglehunter what IS a look up federal law?

You need some punk tuition there.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Banning would create chaos amidst an already nervous population, that would be a disaster.
sally1981 · 41-45, F
It has been banned in the UK since 1996 in the UK. After A school shooting in Scotland.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@sally1981 Not completely. Handguns were banned after Dunblane, but not for example sporting rifles.
xSharp · 31-35, M
Ban vans aswell, in canada an incel killed 11 and injured 15 with a van.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
i hit the wrong button i wanted to say 2nd amendment rights
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
an other person with common sense.♥️
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
It is in this country.
@nudistsueaz The last news item I saw on guns and Biden was today and it was about him wanting to deal with 9mm guns. The two atrocities that have prompted this renewed debate, to the best of my understanding, were not committed using 9mm weapons. Or am I mistaken?
ravenhill · M
i have no opinion on it.
Bang5luts · M
Only if all governments of the world are in agreement and willing to throw their's out as well.
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Looks like some people can't handle the truth.
@LordShadowfire And we [b]do[/b], in fact, ban [b]drunk driving[/b] for that very reason. People are so silly sometimes.
Human1000 · M
Yes, but then again, I’m not pro-child massacre so I’m prejudiced.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@Human1000 thats stupid i dont think anybody is pro child massacre
@beaglehunter Gun fetishists and ammosexuals prioritize their own freedom to carry an AK-47 to kill a deer over the lives of children. That's pretty pro massacre from where I'm sitting.
beaglehunter · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire cars kill people so do you think a car owner is a fetishist.that dip shit should have never owend a gun.you cant punish the good guys with a gun for the bad guys here we have a back ground check.i dont know about texas i do know the should have a much better way of selecting thier sherrifs

 
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