If slavery was legal... would you keep a slave ?

@BlueVeins eh... I'd say basic nutrition comes before "sensory pleasure" lol

Also, did you just compare eating meat with slavery? Haha jeez

@SatanBurger I think this happens due to a confluence of factors.

While veganism can be functional as a diet, it is by definition an elimination diet. People who are inclined towards restrictive eating due to eating disorders have a tendency to adopt veganism (irrespective of morals), but obviously, those tendencies don't stop there. A lot of times, these people will end up as frugivores, raw vegans, or otherwise adopt goofy restrictions that make nutrition difficult or impossible. Thus, it eventually runs their body into the ground and when they recover, they stop eating plant-based as well.

Most people here in the developed world have been eating animal products for generations, and as a consequence of that, we have a pretty well-developed cultural understanding of how to eat and meet our nutritional needs. For most vegans, by contrast, they don't have that knowledge and have to learn nutrition from the ground up. A lot of them go online looking for answers, but the online nutrition space is bursting at the seams with quacks and cranks preaching bullshit theories about health and nutrition.

I'd like to note that both of these things happen with omnivorous diets, but they're not talked about as failures of carnism (if you'll permit the term). If some guy falls ill from subsisting on an all-nuggies diet for months or years, that's not talked about as "a man getting sick from being an omni", but if some guy falls ill from subsisting on kale, you'll see all kinds of headlines about how a vegan diet almost killed them. It's an asymmetry that exists for understandable reasons, but it definitely skews our perception on the issue.

Also warrants mentioning that the people who make the most noise about giving up their vegan diets are content creators, who tend to cultivate audiences of vegans. When a content creator abandons veganism for any reason, a small but extraordinarily bothersome minority of vegans (who tend to congregate in these sorts of communities) will react very, very negatively to that. The content creator therefore seeks to justify their decision and/or pivot to cultivate a new audience. Thus, they have an incentive to play up any problems they've been having or draw spurious correlations in order to make themselves appear more morally upright and appeal to a more anti-vegan/alt-right crowd.

This is getting woefully long, but I guess this is what I want to get across. There's no such thing as "the vegan diet;" the options are endless even without incorporating sentient life into the mix. If someone is legitimately having a problem, there's typically something they can change without incorporating animal products that'll make a night-and-day difference, and probably the biggest thing people can do for themselves is being attentive to their bodies and addressing problems as they come up rather than thinking they can power through it. Nutrition isn't magic. It's just chemistry, and if you give your body the chemicals it needs, you're typically all good, regardless of how you get them.

@BlueVeins You do have points so I'll take into consideration, thanks for keeping it civil. My main point was that there's other issues to consider other than taste pleasure when I bring up physical issues. Vegans always assume that it's because it tastes good but there's may be other reasons is what I'm saying.

I'll consider your comment though, I been vegan too for a few years straight but ultimately went back due to being hungry all the time. I find steak simply more satiating than starch. Protein digests up to eight hours vs starch which is only like an hour.

Well its against the law to homeless. They kill in the USA with force vaccination if homeless so you slowly die with some cancer.

You can't say no vaccines and be free. Because your a dangerous human.

@HumanEarth It is not against the law to be homeless.
Ironically, if it were, the homeless would instantly be given shelter, if only via incarceration. Some acts like public defecation, aggressive panhandling and sleeping on the street, are what is illegal. For years I volunteered at a shelter that provided beds, meals and facilities for bathing, washing clothes and using the restroom.

@HumanEarth This is crazy tripe

@Lostpoet moral

@Vin53 vixed

@Lostpoet fixed. 😜

@SisterShadow I have kept and would again but they volunteer for that

@SW-User “Vile Jew sorcery?”

You know that’s offensive don’t you, and not funny even as a joke?”

@RedBaron meh, I thought Jews were supposed to think critically about religion. After all, that's why Yahweh keeps the devil around, to question us.

@ViciDraco Both! Just more!

@Entwistle absolutly zero anti slave ppl are too concerned about 80,000 missing children from across the border in 3 years...

nope.. slaves from 200 years ago get all our sympathy...

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Indeed.
My comment was referring to globally and presently.
I believe Mauritania only recently outlawed slavery.

@bijouxbroussard oh, I agree, enslavement is reprehensible, but my point was would it be if we had been enslaving people for hundreds and hundreds of years and it was accepted as being okay?

Would I, if I had grown up in a household where we had a slave or two, think ill of it?

I can say now I wouldn't... couldn't, but what if?

@Ontheroad Or perhaps you would’ve been like those who grew up seeing that reality all their lives and still became abolitionists. 🥹

@bijouxbroussard I want to believe I would, but it makes me wonder. Makes me want to understand more about abolitionists and how/why they started down that path.

@teenrob thats rough

@SisterShadow not my fault! LOL

@SisterShadow His mother can say no if she doesn't want to be a slave.

@Tastyfrzz who is that ?

@SisterShadow Cylon robot Zoe-A (number 6) from battlestar Galactica. The character is portrayed by Canadian actress and model Tricia Helfer

@V1lla1nous Morality, empathy, human compassion . .

@V1lla1nous
Ooo, aren't you just a lil brown paint stick? 😉🤣

@V1lla1nous the same reason that made it illegal in the first place, perhaps? Plus a bunch of others

@Vin53
Yes it is.
The answers may reveal a fragments of each mind, anyhow.

@PoetryNEmotion Ya I could never treat someone like that, too much of a conscience.

@Cloud7593 A man may never OWN another. That is wrong. Thank you.

@userfawkes1105 I can get with that but not the slavery that happens when people are too lazy to do anything for themselves and want to force others to do it for them.

@SatanBurger I agree it’s an equality and empathetic connection if you view it from the collectives perspective

@GuyWithOpinions It was much more complicated, and only certain people were seen as fit to enslave based upon who they were, where they were born, or what they didn’t have.
That was what made it ultimately wrong. 🥺

@PetalsOfLilac but also yes

@Spoiledbrat Is it?