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IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Patriot96 Humanity has some traits all humans should be embarrassed by. In the 60's psycholigists,trying to understand how Hitler took over a modern society, performed several experiments with volunteers. In a nutshell, only 20% of our society at that time was capable of independent thought. I do not have a breakdown on that vs education, but one of the experiments used college students back when admissions requirements were more strict.
Carazaa · F
@IronHamster Just curious, how much education do you have? Do you understand that she doesn't know what "carry" or any other "Americanized" lingo means?
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Carazaa I don't think you understand what an education is. My paternal grandfather had a sixth grade education and he knew more about the world than most Masters graduates today. At the founding of this country, in order to even be considered for college one would have to know more than most PhD graduates today.
TexChik · F
Nope , the 2 A is the law of the land .
Mandatory 7 years for crimes committed with a gun.no parole
Reoffenders get another 15 , no parole
Murder with a gun is a capitol
Offense . Execution by hanging or firing squad.
Illegal sales of guns 7 years
Enforcing the law will solve the problem
Mandatory 7 years for crimes committed with a gun.no parole
Reoffenders get another 15 , no parole
Murder with a gun is a capitol
Offense . Execution by hanging or firing squad.
Illegal sales of guns 7 years
Enforcing the law will solve the problem
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TexChik · F
@IronHamster The other 70% have Ds!
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
1. Part of the plan for whack job losers who want to shoot up a church or school becomes to buy their gun a week in advance. As far as a background check, anyone who legally buys a firearm since 1993 has submitted to a background check.(Part of the Brady Bill signed into law by Bill Clinton.)
2. I wouldn't have a problem picking up a firearm at the police station, but I think their time would be better spent apprehending criminals than dealing with people legally purchasing a product.
3. It is already 21 for handguns, 18 for rifles and shotguns.
The latest mass shooting attempt, by a person already deemed to have mental issues and several felony arrests including firearms violations. I don't oppose keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, but laws already on the books should have kept this person in Houston from purchasing a firearm, in fact, she should have already been incarcerated.
2. I wouldn't have a problem picking up a firearm at the police station, but I think their time would be better spent apprehending criminals than dealing with people legally purchasing a product.
3. It is already 21 for handguns, 18 for rifles and shotguns.
The latest mass shooting attempt, by a person already deemed to have mental issues and several felony arrests including firearms violations. I don't oppose keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, but laws already on the books should have kept this person in Houston from purchasing a firearm, in fact, she should have already been incarcerated.
BizSuitStacy · M
@Lisa82 not true. All FFLs must run a background check on gun sales - gun show or not. In the case of private sales at a gun show, some states require the background check, others don't. And the number of crimes committed with firearms that fall into the "gun show loophole" you are referencing is miniscule.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Lisa82 If you buy from a licensed dealer, the dealer has to have an approved background check before he can sell a firearm or he is breaking federal law. A private individual can sell a firearm without a background check, laws vary, the state I live in, a receipt of the sale must be kept for 10 years.
SlaveEt · 36-40, F
Number 1 is already implemented.
Number 3 is law in many states for hand guns
Number 2 is just plain stupid. We need more government control in this world like we all need another hole in our heads.
Don't even get me started on the drinking age. It is so stupid to have 3-4 different ages for adulthood. Pick one and go with it for crying out loud!🤦♀️🙄
Number 3 is law in many states for hand guns
Number 2 is just plain stupid. We need more government control in this world like we all need another hole in our heads.
Don't even get me started on the drinking age. It is so stupid to have 3-4 different ages for adulthood. Pick one and go with it for crying out loud!🤦♀️🙄
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Let's strictly enforce the laws we have
BizSuitStacy · M
Much of that is already in place, except for cops selling guns. The job of law enforcement is simply that... enforce the law. Not become arms dealers.
BizSuitStacy · M
@Carazaa I think you're a kind person with your heart in the right place. Homelessness is a separate issue from gun violence, so let's not "mix metaphors" if you will.
The mass shooting epidemic is fairly recent in our history. Columbine (1999) was a turning point. Not that there weren't any mass shootings prior to Columbine, but they were exceedingly rare. So what changed?
It wasn't because of too many guns. There were already close to 300 million legally owned guns in the country by that point. If the number of guns was the issue, the mass shooting epidemic would have reared it's ugly head long ago.
It's not the type of guns either. Contrary to the leftwing narrative, the majority of mass shootings (60%) are committed with handguns. They tend to be cases of domestic violence or gang related violence, and tend NOT to be particularly news worthy. And for those who like to point to the AR-15 as the culprit, I'll remind them that that particular firearm has been available to the public since 1963...36 years before the epidemic began. I'll also point out that the Virginia Tech shooting, the worst school shooting in history, was carried out by a nutcase with a 9mm pistol and (17) ten round magazines.
Mass shooters all look for a gun free zone, and a captive group of people confined to a given area, or a huge group of people in a large area where they just randomly shoot into the crowd.
These people are mentally ill, and probably radicalized in many cases. No gun law will ever solve that issue.
The mass shooting epidemic is fairly recent in our history. Columbine (1999) was a turning point. Not that there weren't any mass shootings prior to Columbine, but they were exceedingly rare. So what changed?
It wasn't because of too many guns. There were already close to 300 million legally owned guns in the country by that point. If the number of guns was the issue, the mass shooting epidemic would have reared it's ugly head long ago.
It's not the type of guns either. Contrary to the leftwing narrative, the majority of mass shootings (60%) are committed with handguns. They tend to be cases of domestic violence or gang related violence, and tend NOT to be particularly news worthy. And for those who like to point to the AR-15 as the culprit, I'll remind them that that particular firearm has been available to the public since 1963...36 years before the epidemic began. I'll also point out that the Virginia Tech shooting, the worst school shooting in history, was carried out by a nutcase with a 9mm pistol and (17) ten round magazines.
Mass shooters all look for a gun free zone, and a captive group of people confined to a given area, or a huge group of people in a large area where they just randomly shoot into the crowd.
These people are mentally ill, and probably radicalized in many cases. No gun law will ever solve that issue.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@BizSuitStacy police show up after the crime to outline your corpse
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Carazaa
"Text of Article 10:
Right of Revolution
Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.[1]"
https://ballotpedia.org/Part_First,_New_Hampshire_Constitution
our guns are there to protect us from an oppressive government,
You sound like you were born in the jungle somewhere or Russia or listen to Fox entertainment Ads, 😆
"Text of Article 10:
Right of Revolution
Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.[1]"
https://ballotpedia.org/Part_First,_New_Hampshire_Constitution
Lisa82 · 41-45, F
and act like the gun is a car...
1. You must have a license to use it.
2. You have to register it
3. If you sell it you must file the paperwork and transfer ownership
4. Have insurance on it
5. Lord help you if your gun was used in a crime and you did not report it stolen.
1. You must have a license to use it.
2. You have to register it
3. If you sell it you must file the paperwork and transfer ownership
4. Have insurance on it
5. Lord help you if your gun was used in a crime and you did not report it stolen.
Lisa82 · 41-45, F
@BizSuitStacy boy your very respectful...
And the mass of guns out there were made leagly and just got passed around and flooded market because of lobbying and corrupt politicians.
And the mass of guns out there were made leagly and just got passed around and flooded market because of lobbying and corrupt politicians.
BizSuitStacy · M
@Lisa82 I honestly don't quite understand your last comment, but...
Whether you realize it or not, you're just repeating the same anti-gun narratives I've been hearing for the last 40 years. I've heard 'em all, multiple times. But there are simple facts that blow up every single one of those arguments.
The facts in the next few paragraphs come from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report database.
The number of legally owned firearms in the US has roughly doubled since 1993, but the firearm homicide today is about half it was at that time. More guns, less crime. Now, I'm not saying the additional firearms caused the decline, but they certainly didn't cause an increase.
90% of all firearm homicides are committed by a felon. The average number of felonies they have is 4. The vast majority of killers have a violent history. Merely being in possession of a firearm is already illegal and enough to put them back in prison. Do you really think a gun registry is going to stop them? Or getting a firearm license? They can't even pass the background check to buy one legally.
The typical gun recovered from a crime scene is stolen, and on average, was stolen 11 years prior the crime. That's assuming they can determine the serial number.
Lots of ghost guns out there too...firearms without a serial number at all. Many of those come from overseas.
90% of all firearm homicides occur in the inner cities where gangs and drugs are prevalent.
90% of all firearm homicides are committed with handguns. They're easy to conceal. The dreaded "assault weapon" the media's fear porn, accounts for less than 1% of the murders.
The founding fathers were students of history. And they knew authoritarian governments had an ugly tendency to disarm their citizens. Plenty of examples prior to 1791, and plenty of examples afterward. It's never happened in the US because it's unconstitutional. Not that there are politicians out there who would confiscate firearms in the US given the opportunity.
My favorite quote in favor of the 2A. Please think about this:
Whether you realize it or not, you're just repeating the same anti-gun narratives I've been hearing for the last 40 years. I've heard 'em all, multiple times. But there are simple facts that blow up every single one of those arguments.
The facts in the next few paragraphs come from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report database.
The number of legally owned firearms in the US has roughly doubled since 1993, but the firearm homicide today is about half it was at that time. More guns, less crime. Now, I'm not saying the additional firearms caused the decline, but they certainly didn't cause an increase.
90% of all firearm homicides are committed by a felon. The average number of felonies they have is 4. The vast majority of killers have a violent history. Merely being in possession of a firearm is already illegal and enough to put them back in prison. Do you really think a gun registry is going to stop them? Or getting a firearm license? They can't even pass the background check to buy one legally.
The typical gun recovered from a crime scene is stolen, and on average, was stolen 11 years prior the crime. That's assuming they can determine the serial number.
Lots of ghost guns out there too...firearms without a serial number at all. Many of those come from overseas.
90% of all firearm homicides occur in the inner cities where gangs and drugs are prevalent.
90% of all firearm homicides are committed with handguns. They're easy to conceal. The dreaded "assault weapon" the media's fear porn, accounts for less than 1% of the murders.
The founding fathers were students of history. And they knew authoritarian governments had an ugly tendency to disarm their citizens. Plenty of examples prior to 1791, and plenty of examples afterward. It's never happened in the US because it's unconstitutional. Not that there are politicians out there who would confiscate firearms in the US given the opportunity.
My favorite quote in favor of the 2A. Please think about this:
Lisa82 · 41-45, F
@BizSuitStacy I'm not saying ban guns. I don't want that... I have lots of guns.
sree251 · 41-45, M
Mass shootings are problems? It is our American way of life. War is America's business, and we have been spending trillions of dollars on mass shootings by our military in foreign wars killing millions and millions of people. Our war culture is cultivated in our schools through violent competitive sports. Our politicians in Congress are warmongers voting on bills to fund production of weapons made by military contractors in practically every state in the nation.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@whowasthatmaskedman
Donald J. Trump never served in the military either and his dad Fred Trump bought Donald's way out of the Vietnam war draft a total of 5 times, yet Trump isn't looked down upon by the right-wing war mongers for avoiding military service!
John Wayne never served in the military in reality and was looked down on by many who did.
Donald J. Trump never served in the military either and his dad Fred Trump bought Donald's way out of the Vietnam war draft a total of 5 times, yet Trump isn't looked down upon by the right-wing war mongers for avoiding military service!
IronHamster · 56-60, M
Pass a law holding anyone that promotes gun free zones liable for any gun crime that happens in them.
Encourage armed staff at schools.
See, criminals look for easy victims. Anti-gun politicians aren't actually anti-gun because they are protected by gun carrying guards. They use schools as magnets for killers so they don't get hurt themselves.
Encourage armed staff at schools.
See, criminals look for easy victims. Anti-gun politicians aren't actually anti-gun because they are protected by gun carrying guards. They use schools as magnets for killers so they don't get hurt themselves.
pdockal · 56-60, M
Police have all they can handle and don't need that responsibility
Guns are easily available on the black market so restricting law abiding citizens won't help
Why does everybody think guns are the issue
Guns don't kill ... people kill
We need better mental health system
We need harsher penalties
We need better prisons
We need a better educating system
We need to close the gap between the have and have nots
We need to shift focus away from instant gratification especially for children
We need parents to be more involved in their children's lives
We need better politicians
Guns are easily available on the black market so restricting law abiding citizens won't help
Why does everybody think guns are the issue
Guns don't kill ... people kill
We need better mental health system
We need harsher penalties
We need better prisons
We need a better educating system
We need to close the gap between the have and have nots
We need to shift focus away from instant gratification especially for children
We need parents to be more involved in their children's lives
We need better politicians
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
@pdockal we just need better people and not an education system which turns kids into leftist non thinking zombies who think video games and the violence which comes with them doesn’t have a huge negative effect upon the brain.
pdockal · 56-60, M
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I’d add passing a psychological exam to that list. And no automatic assault weapons .
Carazaa · F
@AthrillatheHunt Thank you, good idea!
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@AthrillatheHunt same test fot voting and a drivers license with 90 day waiting period
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Patriot96 I’m on board w the drivers license but not a test that citizens must take to vote .
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Los Angeles started hiring police officers who can't lawfully own one
Carazaa · F
@MarineBob
LA is the same size as Sweden around 10 million people! Scandinavian police haven't had any guns for 500 years until recently when more guns have come into the country.
There were 8 death a year in Sweden until recently when guns have come into the country, and 10 A DAY in LA and even more lately probably. There is a direct correlation with number of guns in a country and number of deaths per year!,
Law enforcement are peace officers and need to develop trust in the community, not be scary and shoot people. Just recently have they had guns in Sweden. Of course at times force needs to be used and sometimes a gun is necessary in an arrest.
I do think the police needs to have more power to arrest homeless, and laws to enforce treatments and social workers to help them if they are mentally ill or on drugs.
LA is the same size as Sweden around 10 million people! Scandinavian police haven't had any guns for 500 years until recently when more guns have come into the country.
There were 8 death a year in Sweden until recently when guns have come into the country, and 10 A DAY in LA and even more lately probably. There is a direct correlation with number of guns in a country and number of deaths per year!,
Law enforcement are peace officers and need to develop trust in the community, not be scary and shoot people. Just recently have they had guns in Sweden. Of course at times force needs to be used and sometimes a gun is necessary in an arrest.
I do think the police needs to have more power to arrest homeless, and laws to enforce treatments and social workers to help them if they are mentally ill or on drugs.
calicuz · 56-60, M
First, let me say, that I am in full support of getting guns out of the hands of people that should not, and do not, need guns in their hands.
Number 1: Is already in place.
Number 2: We don't want the Government controlling the distribution of guns, which would ultimately lead to the "non-distribution" of guns.
Number 3: Full support
Number 4: I would switch that to a "full mental evaluation," at the gun owner's cost.
Number 5: I am against this, only because the Constitution guarantees us "firearms equal to the military," so "We the People," are never at a disadvantage against our own government.
Number 1: Is already in place.
Number 2: We don't want the Government controlling the distribution of guns, which would ultimately lead to the "non-distribution" of guns.
Number 3: Full support
Number 4: I would switch that to a "full mental evaluation," at the gun owner's cost.
Number 5: I am against this, only because the Constitution guarantees us "firearms equal to the military," so "We the People," are never at a disadvantage against our own government.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@swirlie Progressives want all powerful government. The anarcists want no government. The Right wants the right amount of government, only enough to secure our rights to life, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
A physical exam? Medical? I can understand suggesting a mental-health assessment but I wonder why "physical".
Is there though some aspect of society unique to the USA? We foreigners see it and find it as baffling as it is distressing. We also see the arguing too, and do know it is a very sensitive party-political matter there - but one only Americans can deal with.
Even most of the other nations that do have somewhat more liberal gun and wild-animal hunting controls than the UK, very rarely suffer from gratuitous "mass" shootings.
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[Since you wrote your original post we have of course had that appalling attack on a children's dancing club in the NW English town of Southport. That was with a knife not a gun, and the suspect is a British teenager who turned 18 so legally adult a week later, but really much the same sort of attack.
We do not yet know the motive - so far the suspect has been charged and remanded in custody, and I don't think he entered a plea of guilt or innocence at the remand hearing. Legally he is therefore considered innocent unless he admits guilt or is proven guilty by a Court of Law, which would of course examine the motive.
With a shooting, if the murderer also shoots himself, or someone else shoots him, dead before he can be caught properly, any motive can only be guessed at unless he has left some sort of clear notice of intent and reason. As that seems a common outcome it must make it harder to understand why such crimes occur, so perhaps find ways to reduce them.] .
Is there though some aspect of society unique to the USA? We foreigners see it and find it as baffling as it is distressing. We also see the arguing too, and do know it is a very sensitive party-political matter there - but one only Americans can deal with.
Even most of the other nations that do have somewhat more liberal gun and wild-animal hunting controls than the UK, very rarely suffer from gratuitous "mass" shootings.
....
[Since you wrote your original post we have of course had that appalling attack on a children's dancing club in the NW English town of Southport. That was with a knife not a gun, and the suspect is a British teenager who turned 18 so legally adult a week later, but really much the same sort of attack.
We do not yet know the motive - so far the suspect has been charged and remanded in custody, and I don't think he entered a plea of guilt or innocence at the remand hearing. Legally he is therefore considered innocent unless he admits guilt or is proven guilty by a Court of Law, which would of course examine the motive.
With a shooting, if the murderer also shoots himself, or someone else shoots him, dead before he can be caught properly, any motive can only be guessed at unless he has left some sort of clear notice of intent and reason. As that seems a common outcome it must make it harder to understand why such crimes occur, so perhaps find ways to reduce them.] .
There were only 82 school shootings in 2023. 38, which resulted in injury or death. Granted 1 is too many, but there were nowhere near 350.....
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@SusiesHubby There were none here in the UK.
Carazaa · F
@SusiesHubby There were 632 mass shootings in the USA 2023, and 1 in UK. So US has to improve this is not normal. we need to have more control who gets a gun, and help parents and communities raise happy kids instead of mentally ill!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Carazaa The whole cycle is self perpetuating. The number of gun killings of all types makes people rightly scared and their instinct is to get a gun the protect themselves. The socitey is under pressure and taught to fear and hate by its leaders (Lets not pretend that isnt happening) and a under of people crack under the strain and see the only way to relieve that pressure is to struike out and they pick up a gun and a lot of ammo to make themselves heard.. Changing American thinking is going to be hard and take a long time, even if there was a will to do it. If you dont want your kids to be part of that cycle at some point, find another place to live.😷
IronHamster · 56-60, M
That's not rational.
1. Waitimg peiods for every gun purchase may literally get people killed and only serve to make gun ownership harder. Tell me why I am right, because I bet you didn't think through it.
1. Waitimg peiods for every gun purchase may literally get people killed and only serve to make gun ownership harder. Tell me why I am right, because I bet you didn't think through it.
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
Carazaa · F
@therighttothink50 I didn't know he didn't respect peoples ideas, thank you!
onewithshoes · 22-25, F
Or just have everyone do homeschooling instead, which would also save taxpayer money.
pdockal · 56-60, M
Carazaa · F
@onewithshoes So you want to close schools? Home schooling is a terrible idea. The problem is not schools, the problems are mass shootings everywhere because of mental illness, availability of guns, (and in my opinion poor parenting, towns with poor community resources, etc.)
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Good luck selling that to Americans who use a gun as a security blanket and a p*n*s substitute..😷
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
And how will that stop a mass shooting. Please explain
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Patriot96
then vote them out
but dont blame the guns
dont blame law abiding citizens by making it harder to get guns
dont outlaw guns because you fear them
criminals will always be able to get guns illegally regardless of the laws
i think we should be allowed to open carry EVERYWHERE as long as weve had saftey courses
then vote them out
but dont blame the guns
dont blame law abiding citizens by making it harder to get guns
dont outlaw guns because you fear them
criminals will always be able to get guns illegally regardless of the laws
i think we should be allowed to open carry EVERYWHERE as long as weve had saftey courses
Strict4u · 56-60, M
The penalty for murder should be more harsh that would slow it down when found guilty don’t use tax dollars to feed them 40 years just find a tall tree and a short rope
Carazaa · F
@Strict4u Punishment does not work for criminals, children, employees, or anyone. Problems are not solved by punishing people, like in russia, N Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, or Nazi Germany, etc. We don't want a fascist authoritarian hell do we? NO! Problems are solved by finding solutions together! What causes people to be mentally ill, to want to own guns, to use drugs, to give up and live on the street?
1. We need to have treatments and good living situations for the mentally ill, drug addicts, homeless, and people who are so
mad that they hate people so much they want to kill people.
2. Many parents don't know how to raise happy successful kids. Instead they yell, hit, lock them up, and punish instead of reward them for good behaviors, role model positive communication, and spend fun times together. We need parenting classes for parents that have no idea how to raise happy kids.
3. We need to give police power to arrest homeless and give them drug treatments and social workers to help drug addicts and homeless.
1. We need to have treatments and good living situations for the mentally ill, drug addicts, homeless, and people who are so
mad that they hate people so much they want to kill people.
2. Many parents don't know how to raise happy successful kids. Instead they yell, hit, lock them up, and punish instead of reward them for good behaviors, role model positive communication, and spend fun times together. We need parenting classes for parents that have no idea how to raise happy kids.
3. We need to give police power to arrest homeless and give them drug treatments and social workers to help drug addicts and homeless.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
Just ban guns. Anyone caught with a gun without a valid reason gets life in prison..no parole..
BizSuitStacy · M
@Patriot96 the good news is that the 2nd Amendment is part of The Bill of Rights, and not the Bill of Valid Reasons.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
1 stop background checks
2 stop waiting periods
3 arm teachers and administrators
No more false flags
2 stop waiting periods
3 arm teachers and administrators
No more false flags
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@MasterLee Armed teachers and staff are the way to do it. If a teacher isn't qualifiable to carry concealed then they shouldn't be allowed alone with a group of children.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@IronHamster the problem was the establishment of "gun free zones" aka turkey shoot zones.
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I have a collection of bookmarked posts labeled "Use to combat dumbassery".
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@LordShadowfire They do have a commander in chief since forever, and it is not the idiot in the White House. The guy with the nuclear football is the fake Commander in chief of the idiots who voted for him. That football is fake and doesn't set off any nuclear weapons. Those bastards running the US war machine are not working for you and me, the American idiots with the power to vote for nothing.
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Carazaa · F
@therighttothink50 No security guards can prevent mass shootings and murders.