Actually, yes. Considering the odds, you have what ? A hundred billion stars in the Milky Way itself. How many of those have Earth type planets orbiting them ? Got be a fair number. There’s a good chance life took root on more than one. We just haven’t detected it yet. Multiply that by the number of galaxies we know exist, and those we don’t know of, the odds aren’t impossible. God , on the other hand, is extremely improbable. First you have to consider what prompted such a being to exist. (Assuming you hold to one supreme being ) his only reason as far as we can determine, is to create a universe and life forms, which seem to be the direct opposite of his own nature. If god is working on some kind of grand plan or agenda, he would not only create the raw materials, he would have to create them for purposes that could not exist for millions of centuries. Were as life would evolve around them naturally over the course of time. A creator, implies an intended result. You gotta wonder, what reason could a being with that kind of power and ability could possibly desire that he couldn’t achieve with far time and effort. Aliens, can exist, and evolve both in intelligence and technology. An all powerful god, would have no motive to evolve . He already has it all. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
@Diotrephes [quote] Do you really get your science knowledge from silly Hollywood movies [/quote] No, I got the basics from a few years at University and developed it from reading scientific papers.
The TDE has been proven with, [i]inter alia[/i], the muon example and the Hafele–Keating experiment.
@Sharon [quote]Warp 10 is the equivalent of light speed in the ST universe. In the Voyager episode "Threshold", Lt Tom Paris attempted to break the Warp 10 barrier. The effect he described were what the Theory predicts would happen at light speed.[/quote] Okay, but then how did they travel thousands of light years in a matter of days or weeks? (I know it's just a show, but you know what I mean.) I was under the impression that by creating a warp bubble surrounding the ship, they were achieving FTL travel.
@LordShadowfire The idea is the warp speed is FTL but the writer still imposed a limit, namely Warp 10. In the real worls, FTL travel would raise all sort of problems that the writers don't fully account for.
@caPnAhab [quote]I think an unexplainable, miraculous event will be proof enough for a particular person.[/quote]
Obviously not even that would change a person's mind because Jesus already did that and performed plenty of Miracles and people still would not believe. I witnessed a miracle when God saved my daughter from dying, yet not everyone would believe. It was definitely a miracle because the doctors and nurses told her there was absolutely nothing they could do to save her now as her organs were already shutting down and she had a week to live. We prayed to God to save her life, and he healed her immediately. We were expecting a miracle, yes, but we were absolutely shocked when God healed her instantly. I have pictures and records to prove that there was no way she could make it. But God proved us wrong. And so the first thing out of someone's mouth, when I tell them this story, is they say oh that was just a coincidence, she wasn't really that sick, or she willed herself to be well, it will always be some excuse, rather than to give the glory to the one who deserves it, Jesus. There will always be doubters.
@LadyGrace I have a similar experience: As a kid, I had contracted spinal meningitis and was expected to be dead. So, the doctors brought in a priest to say some final words for me. Instead, my mom requested to have a couple of the local missionaries give me a blessing and miraculously I'm still here.
@LordShadowfire True. But, i guess thats how l roll. In some things, I choose logic. In others, Faith. But, if i had to choose, it would have to be faith.
Although I do not personally endorse the idea of a deity, there is nothing in science which precludes the existence of one, or many for that matter. In the matter of 'aliens' we need to be more specific as to what form that might encompass. Are we discussing bacteria, plants, or advanced space traveling intelligence? If there were an advanced space capable species and they did visit our world in the past, in what way would they differ from gods in appearance to any primitive culture of our past?
In short, I believe in beer! Makes life simple and enjoyable, can't ask for more really..
If it happened here, it can happen again. Look at the deep field Hubble Space photos. Each point of light are galaxies. Each with hundreds of billions of stars plus planets and moons. The physics of life is everywhere.
I guess I just don't want to be told what to believe. I've had some experiences that certainly led me to believe there is something powerful beyond my knowledge. Not being Christian, I still think Jesus was cool. And that maybe there have been many like him, but they're diluted by all the modern distractions.
I've studied different religions, philosophies and science. I've lived, I've lost... But it's the unexplainable that I find comfort in. The curiosity that keeps me seeking. Not believing as I've been told.
Convergent evolution on separate planets seems far more likely than a supernatural being with a personal interest in each and every person individually 🤷♂️
I do believe there are aliens. The universe is so ginormous. Then who’s to say that beyond our universe is either more universes or something. As far as technology wise there are probably some not as advanced, just as advanced and more advanced as us. Personally I have no proof. Just a thought.
@specman [quote]I do believe there are aliens. The universe is so ginormous. Then who’s to say that beyond our universe is either more universes or something. As far as technology wise there are probably some not as advanced, just as advanced and more advanced as us. Personally I have no proof. Just a thought.[/quote]
In a way it is totally irrelevant if there are space aliens. That is because of the size of the universe and distance equals time. For instance, the Milky Way galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. That means that we are separated from an intellgent life form on the other side of the galaxy by 100,000 years at the speed of light. Humans have only been slightly intelligent for about 100 years. What were our ancestors doing 100,000 years ago? So, to make meaningful contact with us they would have to know that we are here now and intelligent and they would have to travel at about 10,000 times the speed of light to get here within ten years of our time.
Just a few years ago smart people thought that the universe was simply the size of the stars in the night sky. We now know that it is much larger but we are still limited by what we can detect. As a mind game, how many atoms are in the observable universe that we can now see? Imagine that there are as many stars in the universe are there are atoms in the observable universe. That would be a start in thinking about how large the universe is.
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the Sea to the River Jordan.[/c][/i][/b]
@Diotrephesto quote Inigo Montoya “I do not think that word means what you think it means”
Who other than humans made all those things? Does someone have to be all-capable to be intelligent? Einstein couldn’t drive a car. Leonardo daVinci couldn’t play piano. Grow up.
@redredred [quote]to quote Inigo Montoya “I do not think that word means what you think it means”
Who other than humans made all those things? Does someone have to be all-capable to be intelligent? Einstein couldn’t drive a car. Leonardo daVinci couldn’t play piano. Grow up. [/quote]
Any nitwit can drive a car, just look at the people doing it.
Leonardo daVinci was a creative genius and very intelligent. It's doubtful if you (or me) could do any of the things he was able to do from stratch like he did. Therefore, compared to him we are not intelligent although we can do all kinds of things that he couldn't do. That is because others made it possible for us to do those things.
Name one thing that you have ever done that would indicate that you are intelligent and not just smart.
I saw a UFO along with two others up in Moorhead back in '79. Same night that police car ran into something. I also experienced so strange things after Kristi died which suggests there is an afterlife. I am not ;however, interested in any of the existing religions.
@Tastyfrzz See, that's where I'm at with it. I've seen enough evidence to convince me there's an afterlife, but not enough evidence that there's a creator.
@LordShadowfire As I've mentioned many times on here my thoughts on God have changed a lot since Kristin's death. I guess I've become somewhat of a deist but instead of an anthropomorphized diety I'm imagini g it to be more of a matrrioshka brain. All matter is composed of energy. That's a given. I don't know how but if there is a field I'm imagining the energy as an ocean of N dimensions and we are just ripples in it and the "field" is interested in the life created but i don't think that it interferes with it. In fact, it may be one with it. Living all lives simultaneously or even serially if time is a dimension that it can manipulate. In which case the buddhists are right as are other religions with an afterlife but...I think in the view of the "field" heaven will be what we/ it decides or developes it to be.
@pride49 @Axeroberts @DocSavage I read somewhere that Gene Roddenberry came the closest to cracking faster-than-light travel. Can you imagine? A science fiction writer.
The only proof we have for any biblical event was written and revised long after it supposedly happened... Stories become embellished with time, especially when the object is to change behaviour
@Convivial Not so revised, that God's purpose and intent in giving us His Word, has been destroyed. Jesus said this world shall pass away, but His words shall never pass away. The main focus is how to have salvation in Christ, so we don't miss heaven. If we miss that message, we have missed everything.
well the universe is constantly expanding and is EXTREMELY BIG so to think we’re the only living thing out there would be very selfish i think i don’t want to respect christianity but idk some guy turning water to wine isn’t really.. logical to me but it is a good book i won’t lie
@Axeroberts 90% of archeology is still buried and undiscovered. Mankind is pathetically behind before they can claim anything. Look at the debacle of the Big Bang. The scientists that supported Hawking and Penrose are running for cover now.
@Goddessofthemoon [quote]There's no way we're alone in this universe or multiverse, so there's more proof of aliens than a creator god.[/quote]
In a way it's irrelevant how many aliens there are because the distance between worlds is so great. And distance equals time in space. Remember, humans have only been semi-intelligent for only about 100 years.
The Milky Way Galaxy is 105,700 light years in diameter. So, it's irrelevant if there is intelligent life 100,000 light years from us. Or even 20,000 light years from us. We will never, ever, meet on an equal basis.
[b][i][c=BF0000]From the River to the Sea and From the Sea to the River Jordan. [/c][/i][/b]
@Axeroberts and when the time comes to be scientific and address the Fermi paradox they seem to get all quiet. At least, I can't remember one even carrying the pretense of a solid argument against it
Well, no. It's an open question. It would mean that we live in an extremely unique and special place in the vast universe though if there are no other planets with any life at all on them whatsoever. That's not direct evidence though and it has to just remain an open possibility.
@Monalisaa1986 That's vague. That could mean anything. Whom we decide to worship is what determines where we spend eternity. None of us can walk into a holy heaven with sin on our heels.
Ummm... the mathematical evidence of life in other parts of the galaxy counts. The odds against 40 billion Earth-type planets in this galaxy alone all being barren are literally astronomical.
