Trump supporters: Why do you think Trump insists on referring to COVID as "China" or "Wuhan" virus? What is the benefit which outweighs the harm?

@Roadsterrider It's the same crap they pushed when some bimbo on saturday night, acting as sarah palin, said she could see russia from her alaska home, and the lemmings repeated it as gospel.

@sunsporter1649 No. This is reality. Seems Trump's inferiority complex is contagious amongst his followers.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

[quote]Sorry but facts are facts[/quote]

You don't need to apologise. It's just odd how you remark about facts and yet appear completely ignorant of them. Yes, the US response to Covid is lackluster, but is it [b][i]the[/i][/b] worst, as you allude to? Per capita, the answer is no. There're 8 other countries performing worse on this account; some didn't even introduce any measures (read Sweden). My point here is there's a lot of poor decisions being made by leaders around the world right now. This isn't only an issue for the US.

[quote]And trying to obfuscate with "accuracy of reporting" is something straight out of the Trump denial campaign.[/quote]

Obfuscate? Do you know what that means? Because me stating that accuracy is an issue isn't obfuscation. Aside from the challenges each country faces in terms of getting accurate data regarding deaths and cases, there's also the issue where some countries purposefully report incorrect data. For example, the cover-up of the death tally in Iran which was only discovered because of a data leak. If you think me pointing this out is obfuscating, you're just wrong.

[quote]Again. We are talking about the American response so what China did in December is irrelevant.[/quote]

You want to drop the China thing because it doesn't fit your narrative? Fine. But the fact they should be held accountable to some level when the dust settles is unquestionable.

Bottom line; Trump is an egotistical narcissist who has little to no handle of the situation. We don't need you exaggerating facts to make him look stupid, he does that all himself.

@hartfire thank you for the breakdown on the way the viruses are named. That is very interesting and I honestly didn't know until you shared that.

But .... and this is a big butt 😂, the blame game on Trump isn't gonna fly. His top advisor, Fauci, was the one claiming in Jan or Feb that this was nothing for the U.S. to worry about. Then, against just about everyone's opinion around him, Trump began putting restrictions on international arrivals within ten days after evidence of the virus hit the U.S. Then Immediately after doing so, Pelosi mocked him, telling her constituents to go eat at Chinese restaurants. Schumer and Biden called him racist and xenophobic for making that decision.

So which is it? Racist, xenophobic, not acting quickly enough, oh ..... nevermind. I know. It's All Of The Above for Trump haters! He's horrendous in every way possible! There's no Chance In Hell that he's Ever made one Correct decision, on Anything! Ever! Good grief.

@Cheekyshorts From what we know now, ten days after the first case is too late to shut borders. They needed to be shut before the first case.
Really, the blame is not entirely Trump's. It's a human problem - denial of unpleasant or inconvenient truths, and the inability to comprehend the degree and seriousness of a risk. Just about every country in the world made the same mistakes to a greater or lesser degree. In the second wave, people have relaxed, and so now it's getting worse - much worse.

@hartfire I won't argue with you on that. It's difficult to know which move to make next when something unknown hits. I'm sure some democratic governors who've taken heat over some of their decisions were in no win situations as well. Whoever is in any political office right now is being demonized over their COVID based decisions by someone. Some republicans in my state are slaying our republican governor over his decisions. Makes you wish people would at least acknowledge good honest efforts by both sides and agree that this is a universal problem needing universal support.

@canusernamebemyusername if that's his profession, he is really very good at what he does.
He whittles well too.

@Budwick

[quote] persecute Christians [/quote]

And you wonder why i call you a snowflake...😏
Toughen up, butter cup.


LMAO
Don't be dishonest, bud.

You stalk me because i [i]frustrate[/i] you, i make you angry and you [i]desperately [/i]want to put me in my place.
Don't try to make it seem like you're fighting the good fight for truth, justice and the America way!
You're just fighting.
And the fact that you keep [i]losing [/i]stings your ego and so you must try and try and try again.

tl;dr You're pretty horny for me lol

Many such people.
Sad.

@Pikachu what do you think of Biden & Kamala Harris

@DearAmbellina2113

lol would love to hear it remembered as that.
So deserved.

@DearAmbellina2113 I can't get the mental gymnastics / indoctrination level required to switch from "China is lying, it's much more severe than they let us know" to, now, "it only kills the elderly and the weak, let's riot against lockdowns and not wear masks"

@Pikachu Dementia hits the brain in such varried ways. I do know it is a sign of age though. Which is why you have to keep using your brain.

@canusernamebemyusername

Yeah i really don't know.

@canusernamebemyusername Even his supporters are noticing this. In a poll I keep quoting, 47% of FOX viewers thought that Biden had the mental soundness to be president (39% did not) compared to just 43% for Trump (51% did not). And this is FOX! Probably one of the reasons Trump can't be bothered with them anymore 😂

@JBtheUndefined

lol intellectual apathy is cool. 😏

@SW-User Considering how many people have died from it on his watch, it should be called the Trump Flu. He owns it.

@SW-User COVID-45.

@Picklebobble2

Waaat? Lauding someone's ability and credentials and then later throwing them under the bus?
That doesn't sound like something Trump would do! lol

@Pikachu Priebus. Kelly. Mulvaney. Vought. Walsh. Nielsen. Carroll. Hagin. Bannon. McMaster. Bolton. Fears. Kellog. Hill. Scaramucci.
To name a few

@Picklebobble2

lol oh so there IS JUST ABSOLUTE TONS of president for this behaviour.
I am shocked, i say!

@Pikachu [quote]I make the point that naming diseases in this way has nothing do with China [/quote]

It has everything to do with China.
That's why it's the China virus.
That's where the virus came from.
China is the place that knew about the virus long before it became a pandemic,
and they chose to keep it on the down low,
at the peril of the rest of the world.

Having ones ego bruised because thick headed leftists like yourself can't tell the difference between a country and a person vs unleashing a killer pandemic onto the world is a stupid comparison made by stupid people with a severe case of TDS.

@Budwick

[quote]Having ones ego bruised [/quote]

....?
Bud...at this point I genuinely don't know whether you're failing to understand that putting the blame on China by insisting on referring to the disease as China virus still hurts individual people or whether you refuse to acknowledge that fact because your ego does not permit you to admit error.

Given your refusal to address the question of whether you care about human well-being and why finger pointing is more important than that, i suspect the latter.

Either way, i think we can agree that this discussion has past its expiration date.

Fin

@Pikachu Oh, that's Cheeky you wanna bitch at.
He/she thought 'Chy-na virus' was funny.

You thought it was offensive.
I thought it was informative.

I guess I'm an excellent communicator-
able to convey so much in so few words.

Not like you.
It's always the same condescension and ridicule.
Kinds boring.

You should work on that.

@Budwick

*sigh*

This is the same thing you always do when you realize that you're on shaky ground.
You ignore the question, deflect by talking about me as a person and then clutch your pearls.
Not interested in your little boy games, bud.

I asked you a very simple question and you have refused to answer it.
Either you may contest the fact that this sort of naming convention genuinely hurts real people or you can explain why you don't care that it does.

Put up or shut up, champ🤷‍♀️

@DukeOfEarle

...so you're criticizing the way the WHO handled this pandemic in its early stages...therefore we can ignore what they say about the harm caused by careless (or malicious) naming of diseases...

Um...can you identify what narrative you felt was deployed or destroyed?

[quote]all you car about is what Trump calls it?[/quote]

No. I asked a few questions in this thread but you made it clear that you were not going to answer them.
Don't frame your shortcomings as me being myopic lol

@DukeOfEarle Spin is propaganda. It's the way facts are distorted, downplayed or dismissed by the use of emotive language directed at a target audience.

Facts, science and logic are not and cannot be spin.
It is possible to cherry pick facts and ideas to mislead in an argument.
But Pikachu has not done this; he has stuck closely to all the relevant information, has analysed the language with respect to linguistic logic and proven social and psychological effects.

So the question then arises, what is it that makes you feel it is so important to call the virus by the name of it origin, rather than by the name given to it by those who discovered it?

So no one forgets where it came from and who gave us this plague. @hartfire

@Pikachu One does not have to be xenophobic to be VERY concerned about China and its activities and goals.

@LamontCranston

Definitely.
But what does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

@Pikachu Tbh China did intentionally fuck it up again - maybe to import masks, gloves etc. just before the outbreak seriously hit the news.

@SW-User [quote]It has been proven that the Russians helped Trump to win, [/quote]

Proven?
Really?
Are you referring to Adam Schiff's ever disappearing rock hard evidence that no one has ever seen?

Kiss my ass Lenin.

@Budwick No, proven by the FBI. Why do you think Comey was sacked because of his investigation into Russian interference. Russia helped Trump win. That's a fact. See ya ;)😎😘🏳️‍🌈🇮🇪.P.S. I'm Pro-Choice and Black Lives Matter!!

@SW-User [quote]That's a fact. [/quote]

@nowic2 yeah, I read that actually. 😉

@Keepitsimple

[quote] calling it the China virus isn’t exactly wrong.[/quote]

But calling it that causes harm to people, to families, to businesses, NONE of whom have anything to do with the virus.
How is that NOT wrong?

@Keepitsimple Where the hell did you come up with that idea?😂

@Dave1955

I think that's a good assessment.

And same. It seems weird to call it anything else.

@sunsporter1649 A lot of countries in the world had locked down by March. America was so busy navel-gazing or more like looking up its own arse, in their usual self absorbed, the self-obsessed way that they missed what was going on

I have watched every Coumo daily briefing and this has been brought up a number of times sunsporter by reporters...each and everytime it was made clear exactly what I said. The NY policy on it...now if nursing homes did not contact the NY DOH and say they couldn't handle covid patients ...then that is on them...not NY DOH or Coumo.

@PTCdresser57 You keep believing that, it amuses us

@sunsporter1649 I read the article you recommended.
It does not explain why you think PTCdresser57's comment is "bullschiff".

There is one serious problem with the article. It makes it seem as though the only problem was the inappropriate choice of aged-care nursing homes for people entering the country while sick with the virus.
It ignores the fact that 3,000,000 people from Europe entered directly into the community. Many were unknowingly infected and infectious, not yet sick or showing any sign of symptoms.
There was no system in place for enforced two-week quarantine to prevent the spread into the wider population.

The article outlines a serious error of judgement and policy committed by the government leaders of New York, New Jersey and California.
All three states currently have Democratic leaders - so it shows that Democrats can make mistakes just as badly as Republicans.

People do blame Trump for not immediately taking the threat of the virus seriously and using his power to close the borders.
But realistically there is responsibility on all sides, including for every individual citizen.

@Threepio LOL, yeah, lined up all the kung flu victims and gave them a dose of lead. Wonder how that would go down here

@Threepio

[quote]He needs to deflect blame[/quote]

Yeah i think you're quite right there.

@Carla

Yeah well said.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow And the goddamndemocrats are such sweet folks

@sunsporter1649 And here is one of those xenophobes now.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

That seems to be the most logical answer because ignorance can no longer be pretended.

@JovialPlutonian both Brisbane & Sydney are good places to visit. Hope you enjoyed them.

Correct a lot of the Australian ecosystems are very sensitive. Add to that, a lot of the wildlife especially some of the smaller critters are also very sensitive &/or limited in their food & environmental requirements.

Then the most recent fires were devastating. It will possibly take years to get an idea of just how much so.

We just need to stop China creating a nuclear winter then we may have a chance to redeem ourselves @nowic2

@JovialPlutonian totally agree with that. Unfortunately it's going to be difficult

@SW-User

Yup. Gotta have a scapegoat because Trump will not admit to any mistake or failure on his part.

@RightSaidFred

We know where the virus came from and i'm not sure why it is important anyway, unless you're of the conspiracy mind-set that it's all engineered by the chinese and bill gates.

The WHO has recognized that naming diseases after a group of people or country causes real-world harm to that group. They are targeted with violence, discrimination and economic repercussions.
Trump has been made aware of this so why does he insist on using this damaging language?

@Pikachu Aww, would not want to hurt somebody's feelings now, would we?

@Fernie

Yeah he decided it wasn't enough to blame China so he had to also make fun of it.

@Miklee02

lol indeed

@Pikachu

@sunsporter1649

@sunsporter1649 Lol love that serves him right

@IlovePeaches

lol if only it was as benign as mere stupidity.

@raysam363

It's not just a nickname though because he and his supporters [i]insist[/i] on making the connection to China.

@Pikachu Biologically it did originate in China.

Lick ‘em good boy@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@DukeOfEarle Sorry you. You will have to kiss the orange clown's feet yourself.

😂@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow