Richard Dawkins on abortion [Spirituality & Religion]

@Gangstress They get it wrong all the time, playing God

@Gangstress Gangstress I didn't see your comment before. I'm so glad you survived. So many of the unborn ones are killed just because they are "different", because they do not fit into the norm. (In some regions unborn humans are killed because they are female) 😕

@helenS And some women have abortions because they don’t want their bodies used as forced incubators.

@Budwick I am addressing those issues, they are the reason abortions happen.

@DrSunnyTheSkeptic [quote] I am addressing those issues[/quote]

I wish I believed that.

@Budwick suit yourself

@Eternity The Bible speaks for itself, there's no picking and choosing. I see you cannot deny what the bible says about this. So you resort to false accusations.

@Eternity having a menstrual cycle is not the same as killing life in the womb, abortion. However, many do and regret it and if they say sorry to God and trust in Jesus who shed his own blood for us, he will forget that sin too since he died for every sin of the believer. And the mom will probably see that baby in heaven. God is so good and he says, "All things turn out for good for those who love God"

@Eternity [quote]It [the Bible] is either all literal or none of it is.[/quote]

Because you say so? I get it - you are young. You figured out earlier this year that your money can go further if you shop for food at a grocery store rather than a restaurant. I'm not poking fun - many people much older than you still haven't figured that out.

It's clear you do not believe in God, and that you haven't studied the Bible. [I wish you would reconsider both of those things, BTW] The Bible is multi-dimensional. As we read, interpret, and seek to apply the truths of Scripture, we must be careful not to overlook this artistic dimension, or we will miss an important part of enjoying the Bible. There are many literary forms found in the pages of Scripture, including figurative language, narrative history, poetry, wisdom literature, prophetic literature, gospel, oratory, and epistle. Read the Bible and enjoy them all!

@rob19 her.

But she's probably still "here"

@Elevatorpitches Thank you, I've corrected it now.

@CopperCicada Absolutely well said, thank you ❤️

@CopperCicada I Agree!

You know? I will respect your opinion. Forgive me but what is your question? Maybe, I am missing something, Councilor?@Human1000

@Oster1 I misspoke...I didn’t ask you a question. Withdrawn.

Well, I showed up. Taken under advisement, Councilor.@Human1000

@BlueMetalChick I doubt it

@TheWildEcho A lot of very significant contributions to the scientific community have come from Dawkins. This comment he made was in very poor taste, but he made it because of a written letter from a person who had severe chromosome problems and was lamenting having been born. Which is understandable but that doesn't mean you can speak for everyone with Down syndrome because one person felt that way.

@BlueMetalChick he made the same comment to an Irish mother expecting a downs baby!

@BoobooSnafu Thanks hun 😊😘

@BalmyNites I thank God, for your love and interests in protecting All Humans! I so admire you for that. The world needs many more like you. 🤗❤️

@Oster1 Oh thank you, that’s a lovely thing to say 🤗💜

@TheWildEcho that was decades ago - diagnostic tests have gotten significantly more accurate sense then

@SW-User Who are you to kill a child because you don't think it is of value? ALL humans have value regardless of IQ or number of fingers and toes. Hitler decided who was "worthy" He was evil and Satanic!

@Carazaa has nothing to do with deciding who does and doesn’t have value, has everything to do with being able to bring someone into the world with a good quality of life who won’t experience needless suffering - calm down with the Hitler talk, that’s a completely false equivalence

HHahahahaha! Bless your soul!😊🤗❤️@BoobooSnafu

@Oster1 Yeah, no you won't. You're gonna do nothing but bullshit me, call me names, ask me weird personal questions about where work or go to school, all while bragging about what a good "debater" you are.

@BlueMetalChick seriously gjrl, there are something s you just gotta let go .

This isn't the way to spend someone's time.

I get you got spark, and gumption, but your anger consumes you.

Breath and just let it go .

💜

@BoobooSnafu I'm not angry, I'm just fucking bored. The weather got hot here for the first time this year and it's a weekend night, so half my goddamn city is like a war zone. And considering I don't wanna get shot, I'm stuck inside until tomorrow morning.

@TheOrionbeltseeker totally agree!

@TheWildEcho How did they know what you believe, if you were minding your own business?

@LordShadowfire simply responding to a post on here, I think it's sad that some people are so abusive !

@TheWildEcho Okay.

@BlueMetalChick Yeah, i can understand the person who wrote the journal entry as they are living with the disease, it may not be the case for all people with Down's but Dawkins is still a douchesac for saying that. I would hope he would have a more intelligent response than agreeing with the person who wrote the journal entry, be sympathetic to him but don't invalidate everyone who has it.

@spjennifer A lot of his friends encouraged him to sit down with people who have Downs and talk about it with them. Because yeah, saying you should abort your baby for it is unacceptable commentary.

@BlueMetalChick Eugenics is as reprehensible as Hitler's Aryan Race bullshit!

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow coincidentally that's what happened with a former close friend of mine. Was a normal guy, bit edgy, bullied in high school and rejected by women, but typically a decent guy, bit watched all those videos and steadily went further right. When I stopped being friends with him, he was full on Alt-Right.

The irony is he wants a white ethnostate, but doesn't realise he'd be kicked out as he's Middle Eastern.

@basilfawlty89 Yikes. Had the same thing happen with me and a friend. I managed to pull him partway out a hole. He went from fascist skinhead to a Jordan Petersen right wing self help fan so better but not great.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow One of my oldest friends of 40+ years went down the Alex Jones rabbit hole and still hasn't emerged, he's gone full on right wing, gun toting, racist wingnut, think QAnon Shaman minus the horns. We don't even talk anymore sadly as I can't stand his blabbering on about "Muzzies" and "Mud People".

@Nobody00 you do realize that this is the entire philosophy behind our current penal system right?

I think I was clear @Eternity

@Nobody00 clear? Yes you were clear.

Consistent? Perhaps not.

@smiler2012 totally agree

@SW-User The interview? I was talking about something he said on a podcast, he was recalling his experience having read this dude's diary page that he posted online and expressed that it was so despondent sounding that he thought it would be better for Downs babies to be aborted so they didn't have to suffer like the one guy.

Is there a separate incident involved here? An interview talking about the same topic?

@SW-User that's exactly what he said about an Irish lady expecting a down's child!

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It's a slippery slope, and an absolutely massive jump from preventing people with these kinds of genetic diseases from being born, to euthanizing people against their will. Further, it's stated as a principle instead of policy.

@QuixoticSoul Unfortunately as a disabled person I have seen how easily people can rationalize from defective fetus, to defective child, to defective adults and everything in between.

Robert Latimer used this kind of defense when he force fed his disabled daughter prescription pain killers and fried her brain.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow People can use all sorts of arguments to justify all sorts of stuff, but one is voluntary abortion and the other is murder.

@Carazaa Let me clarify. Of course parents love their own kids. What I'm saying is that as a society, we don't like kids in general. We don't offer benefits like day care, maternity leave, prenatal care, or other benefits that are taken for granted in other countries. About the only benefits we have for children are welfare for the very poorest people, and free public schools, and conservatives want to get rid of those, too.

@LeopoldBloom OK I agree to a point. There are free preschools,free school aftercare, maternity leave, family leave, prenatal care and prenatal leave in california and inmost other places in the USA but maybe not as extensive as in Scandinavia.

@Carazaa California is a blue state. You don't find those same benefits in red states. The US is the only developed country without paid maternity leave.

If you're wondering why the birth rate in the US is going down, it's because people can't afford to have children. Fortunately, we're not in any danger of falling population as people are still eager to emigrate here, mostly from Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I couldn’t say. That they supported the idea at [b]any[/b] point in their lives while contemporaries did not is significant, especially WEB DuBois because he [b]knew[/b] that white doctors, especially in the South, were regularly sterilizing Native and African American girls and women without their knowledge or consent.

@bijouxbroussard so what were you trying to say? At first I thought you were normalizing the belief of eugenics, since all these decent, well respected people bought into it, but now it seems you're saying the opposite: anyone ever tainted with eugenicism is basically bad

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I guess what I’m saying is that it’s a complicated issue. They were all widely respected but apparently had their reasons for supporting eugenics. And while it [b]didn’t[/b] have the stigma then that it came to, especially after the Nazis adopted certain practices, it was still considered a way of being rid of those considered “lesser” or “defective” beings.

@MrBrownstone pity any of us have!😥

@Human1000 Apparently not.

@WanderingSavage There are probably no points about being pro-choice that you don’t know.

@Human1000 I’m just curious how your pro choice points on the subject t of Down’s syndrome would go down with @Gangstress considering she was pre diagnosed as having this condition and was born without it.

@Tsondru you're right there!

@Gangstress you're welcome!

@LordShadowfire A bunch of people have. What are you talking about?

@LordShadowfire yes it was. and its coming back, beware all u counselors and clients alike.

@LordShadowfire Fair enough. He's incredibly gifted in the realm of evolutionary biology, but he does also have a big ego. The comment he made here about Down syndrome children being aborted was said because he read a publicized journal entry of ONE person who actually had Down syndrome, and who had written that they wished they'd never been born and that their parents had terminated the pregnancy. However, one single person's feelings don't speak for everyone.

@MarmeeMarch don't forget the Running Man!