Whether if you agree or not black Americans are owed reparations

@MarmeeMarch shouldn’t BLM have more black ppl.. it’s always white ppl on film.

The brothers were down when there was free nikes and TVs..

Weeks later. It’s just white liberals desperate to keep the narrative going.. 😎👍

@jeancolby nobody is asking white people to personally give their shit to black people, but I’m not surprised you came to that conclusion

@Zenyatta Good, because I won't give it. If they do take it, I'll get it back cheque, blood or cash, have a nice day.

Does it reduce your welfare payment? @pagandad

"leftist commie scum" I see you have been working on you debate skills. @pagandad

@bijouxbroussard and lining up to vote Biden, a proven and documented racist. But okay, whatever.

@PrivateHell If Biden was a “proven and documented” racist, he got past it enough to serve as a loyal VP to a black president for 8 years. Trump’s proven he’s on the side of the Confederacy and the KKK, in 2020. Right now.

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I told you to shut the fuck up tho. But I meant if you are speaking for radicals But now you get it. @YoungPoet345

@Spoiledbrat some of these people have taken things too far. But I don’t think you can lump all people together. Lumping all liberals together or all conservatives together is counterproductive. Not all conservatives are racist, not all liberals are anti-racist. Not all of either party are extremists or support them. That’s the issue of today. There is a mob mentality of conservatives vs. liberals and vice versa

I think you should take ot with Congress anyway. I don’t make the rules. @rhouse

Nope. That is the simple way out instead of taking a stand against injustice. "Not my fault" said everyone who supported injustice.@Spoiledbrat

People have died. It’s definitely not their fault. @rhouse

@AshaKenyatta peonage, not slavery but just as wrong. You have your own opinions just like everyone else. I won't argue the case because those things were wrong to do to any human.

@Justiceforall peonage by definition is a form of slavery. And from what I gathered I’d that you and your friend don’t have an actual leg to stand on thus using out dated talking points.

@AshaKenyatta I know what it is, I do know how to read and I read the Mississippi story about that family who were forced to work. As for having a leg to stand on yes I have one leg that I can stand on. It seems to me that no matter what anyone has to say your going to make yourself right. You don't want to discuss things but be little other people. So I think this conversation is over on my part. But thank you for your words. Have a great day

@bijouxbroussard I know they make the most noise about it and use history as a weapon. They aren't alone in that mind. Nooo I interpret the needless direct finger pointing and bold words as anger, not a threat, just anger. Which is the typical tactic, make it a personal guilt attack

@TopCat I’m not sure what your point is. This was a post about reparations for the descendants of African slaves in the United States. You mentioned the Native Americans as if you didn’t realize that many tribes are receiving reparations already, so I simply provided the information. You’re also choosing to make assumptions about my personal feelings on the matter—and revealing your own in the process. 🤷🏽‍♀️

@bijouxbroussard you are correct my apologies

You are right. We both have our opinions but that opinion can never be accepted if it is racist.

Don't worry I would never be embarrassed by my service record. I am retired from the Army with over 26 years of service and I have spent over 7 in combat zones. I am sure you will now say you have 50 and 10 in combat zones but that doesn't bother (or impress) me.

I will agree that you have the right to your opinion but I will not agree that you have a right to anything that I perceive as racism. (I did say perceive. It may not actually be racism. )@JesseInTX

@rhouse you know I was throwing a bone out there that we might find common ground as people who served our country. But you just called me a racist so that bone is gone and you are now blocked. Sad that you did that. Goodbye.

@bijouxbroussard the protests are absolutely valid... there is a race problem. but i am saying there is a deeper rooted problem, and the whole BLM is more like trying to fix the symptoms and not the root of the problem. but maybe thats all we can do for now...

@IlovePeaches Some disagree with me, but my perspective as both a senior and a former teacher is that reparations in the form of educational opportunities would make the most sense. And it’s more feasible, with long term results.

@bijouxbroussard schools and opportunity is a very important stepstone of fixing societies

@Stereoguy Exactly.

It is amazing how they’ll demand things like “the homeless should be set up in upper class communities,” but when asked how many homeless are they putting up in their home the answer is always ZERO. They never put their money where their mouths are and in general are full of shit. @ProfessorPlum77

@Spoiledbrat That was some poorly done research seeing that none of your arguments have been fact based. All I see is pure emotionally charged rants

You haven’t even responded to my points. @Zenyatta

I haven’t done ant reading today. I just know because my major was early childhood education that there have been many programs in place to help poor people children and minorities. I actually did a speech on after school programs and how they wo4k and where the funding comes from. I’ve interviewed teachers from schools I don’t go to and worked in daycares (private and public) and worked in an elementary school middle school and high school. Not that that taught me much.

@MarmeeMarch You mean people who actually do research? Yeah it’s damn shame 😂

@MarmeeMarch @MarmeeMarch ???

@JoeyFoxx Awesome fucking answer!!! Spot on old boy.

@JoeyFoxx Such a great pivot

@Zenyatta no pivot. You mentioned Hawaii first.

What’s your issue with what I said?

😂@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

@hartfire
There is a precedent in the United States. Our taxes currently pay reparations to the Native Americans: from the descendants of those who actually took the land and murdered the indigenous people, the descendants of immigrants who came afterwards, the descendants of those whose Native ancestry has been too diluted to qualify for reparations or whose tribe wasn’t judged as “eligible”. The taxes of the descendants of those brought here by force, who were considered “property”; not eligible to own their own bodies, never mind land taken from anyone else—also pay this recompense.

It’s the equivalent of living in a home where property taxes are overdue. Doesn’t matter if the original debt was yours or not—it has to be paid. You live here now, you’re expected to pay a portion of the bill.

@bijouxbroussard That's great about the reparations to Native Americans! :)
(I'm an Aussie so I didn't know.) I hope the amounts are sufficient and achieving the necessary goals.

I think a valid moral argument would be that if a person migrates to a place that was stolen from others, they vicariously participate in the consolidation of that theft. We don't consider it legal to sell, buy or give items that have previously been stolen - and this still applies to artworks centuries after the theft.

In the 12-steps programs (I was in CoDA), one makes a list of all one's flaws and transgressions over an entire lifetime - and then makes amends as much as possible. It's a means of deep healing.
So I believe that making reparations for all forms of racial violence and discrimination would go a long way to healing entire countries.

In fact, I believe it may be, at least in part, toxic shame which keeps so many people motivated to deny a shameful history. It's a disease of the spyche, some would say soul.

I'd be thrilled to see the system you propose happen in the US, Australia, and every other country where peoples have been violated by invasion, theft, rape, murder, torture, conquest and slavery.

The country that would have the biggest difficulty would be South Africa - but even there, it wouldn't be impossible.

The next challenge is how to get this idea accepted as policy, preferably by the Dems or left-wing parties.

And then how to convince the majority to vote for it.

Seeing the way homosexual marriage has become legal in many western countries, I believe the campaigning and educating works. It takes patience and persistence, but slowly these gains become normalised and the old guard realises it hasn't threatened their lives or made them any less well off.

No. What does that have to do with anything? @Spoiledbrat

You sure know how to deflect. @Zenyatta

@Spoiledbrat Why are you deleting your responses as if I haven’t already screenshot the whole post.

@JAYS21 you’re crazy they have so much more fast twitch muscle . Physiologically ... they are better athletes

@TexChik
True....Jimmy "the greek" said that on TV back in the 80's and people lost their minds, so Jimmy was fired from his televised spot..some people cant stand truth bombs
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@IstillmissEP I’ve refuted all your points, you can’t have an honest discussion without resorting to changing your opinion to fit your narrative every time I reply, you are purely childish.

@IstillmissEP I’ll humor you, who aren’t I demanding money from?

Yeah not all white people do this or that. I really think it’s time to let go of the past and focus on now. @Zenyatta

@Spoiledbrat the problem is that now is a result of the past and generational wealth building that African Americans were explicitly left out of.

@Spoiledbrat Are you even able to comprehend what I’ve been saying or truly this smooth on the brain?

@sunsporter1649 You are so low effort to project your insecurities into a irrelevant point that shows your inability to read the entire post

@sunsporter1649 this is why your point is irrelevant
@jumbajuice could t have said it any better
https://similarworlds.com/6449027-I-Hate-Racism/3475174-On-Reparations-from-slavery-This-is-building-off-a

@Zenyatta LOL, how big a check you gonna write to barry big ears?

What I am defending is the right of individuals to be compensated for the wrongs that WE (apparently not you) have inflicted upon them. I am willing to take that side of the argument. @SW-User

@rhouse okay, start with your bank account; open it up for those whose grandparents were wronged

In case you don't understand it, that is exactly what I am willing to do. I pay taxes (a lot) in America. I understand that the money comes from me (more than most by the way.) I am up for your challenge. @SW-User

Definitely more than you if you are British.

@MarmeeMarch Actually that’s where you are completely wrong. On all accounts. For example 56 million white Americans can trace their familial wealth back to the homestead.Also we literally just gave have of Oklahoma to the Choctaws and we’ve given reparations to descendants of the people put in Japanese internment camps, “society will not tolerate ” you say🥴

@Zenyatta The Japanese did not get much with regard to a dollar value was under 20K per. The Japanese were taken out of their homes / businesses and put into camps. They lost money.
The slaves were captured by their own people and the Brits and the Spanish and Dutch all had a hand in the pot. Then the people of Africa sold them to people in the US to a destiny that they knew exactly how they would be treated.

If anybody owes blacks reparations is the UK, Africa and Europe they made the big bucks. We eventually turned them into Doctors / Lawyers / Actors / men of Science / College Grads / Professors / Supreme Court Justices and even a President - twice !

Tell me if those opportunities would ever have been available to people from Sub-Saharan Africa....

So dont bellyache to me about the homesteads - my family has never cashed in on that. You feel guilty - or any whitey that feels guilty - you hand out your reparations. 😂

@MarmeeMarch This is absolutely embarrassing. I know you had to have felt real proud of this.

Let’s break it down to you point by point on why your gish galloping Is complete nonsense.

Exactly how has any country outside of the US benefited from the slavery going on in on in US that warrants reparations from American slaves? There is absolutely no correlation. For the descendants who live in said countries

America’s wealth on the other hand was built off centuries of free labor from slaves forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity, cotton. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent. The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region. The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region.

On another point there’s this country’s way of making sure that black people couldn’t get ahead financially which were points I made but ultimately ignored by you smooth brains because slavery is the only thing that pops up in your mind.

While blacks did make gains in wealth acquisition after chattel slavery ended, the pace was slow and started from a base of essentially nothing. Whites could use violence to force blacks from their property via the terrorism of whitecapping, where blacks were literally run out of town and their possessions stolen. This includes the race riots, as in Memphis in 1866 and Tulsa in 1921, which systematically destroyed or stole the wealth blacks had acquired, and lowered the rate of black innovation. Black wealth was tenuous without the rule of law to prevent unlawful seizures.

A complicit Federal Housing Administration permitted the use of restrictive covenants, which forbade home sales to blacks; redlining, which defined black communities as hazardous areas, directly reducing property values and increasing rates; and general housing and lending discrimination against African-Americans through the 20th and 21st centuries.

Moreover, blacks were largely excluded from the New Deal and World War II public policies, which were responsible for the asset creation of an American middle class. The GI Bill is one example of several postwar policies in which the federal government invested heavily in the greatest growth of a white asset-based American middle class, to the exclusion of blacks. Historian Ira Katznelson documents that, by 1950, via the GI Bill, the American government spent more on education than the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe. But most American colleges and universities were closed to blacks, or open to only but a few in token numbers.
Meanwhile, GI benefits in education, employment, entrepreneurship and housing assistance were all distributed overwhelmingly toward whites. In the Jim Crow segregated South, there was a truncated housing supply. These factors limited the ability of historically black colleges and universities to accommodate the education and housing needs of black veterans.

On the next point having black celebrities, millionaires or even a president does not erase the wealth chasm that still persists. Your anecdotes mean absolutely shit to empirical data. Social science research indicates that blacks attain more years of schooling and education credentials than whites from families with comparable resources. In other words, blacks place a premium on education as a means of mobility.

Despite this investment, the racial wealth gap expands at higher levels of education. Black families where the head graduated from college have less wealth than white families where the head dropped out of high school.
Rather than education leading to wealth, it is wealth that facilitates the acquisition of an expensive education. The essential value of wealth is its functional role; the financial security to take risks and the financial agency that wealth affords is transformative. Your anecdotes mean absolute shit compared to empirical data.

Once again your arguments fall flat and I’m very much doubting your citizenship here, exactly what reality do you live that has two American black presidents?

@PainfulTruth Irish Americans aren’t suffering from the affects of hundreds of years worth of systemic oppression and laws that deliberately cripple communities. Also the Irish weren’t slaves they were indentured servants. Try again

Neither are most blacks. @Zenyatta

And white people suffer. Look at woman and gays how far they’ve come.

Fuvk you and sad racist bullshit. Grow the fuck up. @HijabaDabbaDoo

@Spoiledbrat Your inability to make a point besides "fuck you" and "fuck off" quite clearly indicates who needs to grow up here. 🧐

@Spoiledbrat I would love to know how in your world she institutionally oppressed you.

This generation of people like you are a cancer on this country you’re idiots and have no common sense or rational I’m done fuck off asshole!@basilfawlty89

@Ravens80 Comments like these are a dime a dozen. I’ve seen so many of these that I feel as if you guys copy and paste off each other but I digress.

Here is cold hard data that demolishes your argument.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/amp/

@RedBaron You seem mad about something it’s like a nerve was hit, might want to calm down a bit and not get worked up over a post on the internet

@Zenyatta I'm quite calm and really don't care what happens. I just think you have an outrageous sense of entitlement and no idea how unrealistic this whole idea is.

@RopinTexan You’d be surprised how many of us remember legal segregation. I was a child, but my parents are still alive. Pop remembers having to ride in the back of the bus when he returned from serving in Korea.

@bijouxbroussard That's f'd up.

You forget American people pay taxes so it’s their money reparations come from. @AshaKenyatta

@ProfessorPlum77 So we’ll have to dig up some dead legislators and demand they pay reparations.

@Spoiledbrat Bold of you to assume that thought hasn’t crossed my mind, and honestly I couldn’t care less. I’d be paying this too and if it’s to fix this incredibly large disparity I’d happily redistribute my wealth. I’m already having my family set up financial literacy programs for when the time comes for true economic mobility in multiple communities in our surrounding area.

@MarkPaul reverting back to your MSNBC fantasies again?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Stuck in your Putin dreams and Baby-trump fantasies.

@MarkPaul Okay Dave Rubin.

All these tbings are available. @Tastyfrzz

@Spoiledbrat barely... They'd rather build up the military weapons in the police force.

But they’re available the same amount to all. @Tastyfrzz

@canusernamebemyusername if you want a post about native Americans do it yourself. Also they got reparations, granted they still got screwed over with it. If I were you would look into how underhanded it was implemented.

@Zenyatta They were here, first. Let's start with them.

@Harmonium1923 LOL, does the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ring a bell?

@JBull actually we very much are

@Barrelracer1 Do you actually know anything about what Al Sharpton does in various cities, like in my state where he comes and works with people trying to get their lives together ?
(He doesn’t get much media coverage for that.)
Or are you just another racist using his name as a talking point ? 😳

@goliathtree Guiness for you

@jeancolby I will take what I can get.

Ditto! @goliathtree

@Dominus No actually, this was a test post and I wanted to see how many people could all lives matter this post. I’ve learned that if you put black in it that people will throw a hissy fit over it. I notice that when other POC make posts pertaining to their specific people they do not catch flack for it, but when black people do it...well hopefully you see where I am going with this. Also Japanese Americans got reparations like 2 years ago if I remember correctly. Thanks for exposing yourself “ally”

@Zenyatta Oh in that case thanks for your passive-aggressiveness. It's a characteristic most people put on their list for "people to avoid." I notice that you did not respond to any of my questions except one cherry-picked question. I never was your ally, I was there at the beginning of BLM, protesting. I am willing to bet that you were not. You are precisely the type of person I've been warning about, everything or nothing types who prevent others from receiving justice.

@Dominus Well for one my reply was for literally all your questions. Two you do not know what my actual views are. Three I genuinely do not believe anything you’re saying in regards to being an ally your tone says it all for me. I told you what this post is for, so take the obvious hint