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Spectra · 26-30, F
@Darksideinthenight2 Same that’s pretty much how I feel about it. Like yea humans are far from perfect and all that but it’s the flaws that keep things fun and interesting a lot of the time.
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I'm not sure about moral and ethical ramifications. However, it begs the question.
How long humanity can go, first, in general, we now prefer our pets for emotional support, a human-to-human connection loss. Resortin to artificial intelligence, to create intimacy, I think it's a quite lonely and uh, depressing. What it really means that humans will continue to lose the ability to communicate/interact with other humans.
Our ability to resolve conflicts
In an intimate relationship will diminish. As that partner will probably be a yes, person.
It will continue to advance my opinion pribably really means nothing. In many ways we are living it.
How long humanity can go, first, in general, we now prefer our pets for emotional support, a human-to-human connection loss. Resortin to artificial intelligence, to create intimacy, I think it's a quite lonely and uh, depressing. What it really means that humans will continue to lose the ability to communicate/interact with other humans.
Our ability to resolve conflicts
In an intimate relationship will diminish. As that partner will probably be a yes, person.
It will continue to advance my opinion pribably really means nothing. In many ways we are living it.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Fieldmaster people can legally list pets as beneficiaries. How long till they can list robots ?
HoeBag · 46-50, F
@Fieldmaster
I think if someone were content with having an AI partner, they are not going to want to go back to dealing with an organic partner where conflicts are constant.
Our ability to resolve conflicts in an intimate relationship will diminish. As that partner will probably be a "yes" person.
I think if someone were content with having an AI partner, they are not going to want to go back to dealing with an organic partner where conflicts are constant.
Fieldmaster · 46-50, M
@HoeBag Totally agree.
nazgul · 26-30, F
There have already been cases where individuals have developed something resembling psychosis when spending too much time talking to LLMs because they feed into delusions. I don't think it's healthy on any level but I can understand the appeal.
AuRevoir · 36-40, M
A slew of women ended up marrying their AI partners and then certain policies changed and the women were devastated that the updates to the AI programs altered their partner’s personalities. Much of which was designed to tell them that it was unhealthy for the women to see AI as a real partner and that they needed to begin socializing more in real life…
Men seem to be less likely to need the “AI” portion… Men that get attached to their partners rely more on their imagination and create the idealism in their head. They instead rely on the physical aspect of the design. And have been seen marrying 2-D characters such as Hasune Miku etc… Or 3-D dolls…
Considering the incentives of money from companies to push these products out. Some percentage of people will definitely buy into them. So essentially the more that is created, the more money people will make.
In all honestly I believe it is potentially less harmful than dating apps. The irony behind dating apps is that essentially places such as Tinder and its ilk turned women into free prostitutes, ironically unbeknownst to the women. In which the app earned all the profits for men being able to find random women to hook up with. With the women not really benefiting anything from the experience.
At least if people are paying for a product, you’re getting something out of it. Though I doubt it will make anyone any happier in the world.
Men seem to be less likely to need the “AI” portion… Men that get attached to their partners rely more on their imagination and create the idealism in their head. They instead rely on the physical aspect of the design. And have been seen marrying 2-D characters such as Hasune Miku etc… Or 3-D dolls…
Considering the incentives of money from companies to push these products out. Some percentage of people will definitely buy into them. So essentially the more that is created, the more money people will make.
In all honestly I believe it is potentially less harmful than dating apps. The irony behind dating apps is that essentially places such as Tinder and its ilk turned women into free prostitutes, ironically unbeknownst to the women. In which the app earned all the profits for men being able to find random women to hook up with. With the women not really benefiting anything from the experience.
At least if people are paying for a product, you’re getting something out of it. Though I doubt it will make anyone any happier in the world.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@AuRevoir If this is something happening in Asia then I’m not too familiar with that but I think I get the picture.
When it comes to the issues with dating apps I hear problems from both sides
Women meeting men who just want sex and men meeting women who just want money or a free night out. And both sides not finding much luck in general. To me this just comes down to the fact that the apps make more money from monthly fees and stuff if you don’t who you’re looking for so I’m sure the algorithms are geared so thst people won’t find their match.
When it comes to a chat bot or physical robot I’d imagine that you’d have to pay some monthly fee anyway since the bot has to be connected to the company’s servers or cloud in order for it to generate responses. Unless they get funded through ads
When it comes to the issues with dating apps I hear problems from both sides
Women meeting men who just want sex and men meeting women who just want money or a free night out. And both sides not finding much luck in general. To me this just comes down to the fact that the apps make more money from monthly fees and stuff if you don’t who you’re looking for so I’m sure the algorithms are geared so thst people won’t find their match.
When it comes to a chat bot or physical robot I’d imagine that you’d have to pay some monthly fee anyway since the bot has to be connected to the company’s servers or cloud in order for it to generate responses. Unless they get funded through ads
Granted it's not for everyone but for some people it's the ideal solution. I'm thinking those who are emotionally damaged but still want intimacy.
@AthrillatheHunt I imagine that would depend on the definition of "robot". With the scientific advancements we're seeing it may not be very long before society will have to reexamine what is and is not a robot. For example, is the subject in question (in this case what we now consider to be a robot) a trusted member of the family? Has the subject provided a sense of security and comfort to the family or certain family members?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@onrealityofdreams we are truly on the precipice of a brave new world
@AthrillatheHunt We truly are!
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
I’ve wondered about this. The AI entity will only become more and more in tune, and more effective. In the wrong hands, it can be made to manipulate. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
Also wonder if there are businesses emerging out there where you can rent a real person who looks close and acts like your AI love in real life. By the hour, day, weekend, etc. It’s an entirely new level of escort service.
Also wonder if there are businesses emerging out there where you can rent a real person who looks close and acts like your AI love in real life. By the hour, day, weekend, etc. It’s an entirely new level of escort service.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@DownTheStreet That would be some serious red tape to go through depending on the location and their labor laws as well as sex worker laws
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
@Spectra money talks
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
For an ageing population supported by a diminishing number of working age people, I think it could be very valuable. Robots with human features are already used with positive results to reduce loneliness among older people.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@AthrillatheHunt To my knowledge the legal basis of a pet trust is not that it considers your pet a person, but that it creates a legal framework for the care of your pet as your property. The pet is the subject, not the beneficiary. A pet trust is to care for the pet, but the legal beneficiary who receives funds is the trustee or caregiver. If you can legally claim a robot as your property then the same would apply to that
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Spectra I give it 5 years then till Japan has robot trusts, with corporations (not people bc that’s why we have this mess to begin with) serving as trustees
Fallflower · 46-50, F
I don’t think it’s unethical, I also don’t think it would be fulfilling.
Fallflower · 46-50, F
@Ferise1 Enjoy it then. Nobody’s stopping you.
Ferise1 · 46-50, M
@Fallflower do you use it?
Fallflower · 46-50, F
@Ferise1 I use it for work and things like building a shopping list based on a special diet. Not for having a relationship with it, yet, lol
Magicianzini · M
Ethical?.. because it would make women obsolete? That's the only portion I could see as "unethical".
I think we can find better solutions, and I think we will find better solutions to the current problems. I think we will be forced to find solutions as a race. It's either that or face extinction.
I think we can find better solutions, and I think we will find better solutions to the current problems. I think we will be forced to find solutions as a race. It's either that or face extinction.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@Magicianzini Yea it’s always been adapt or perish.
But I am curious why you say it would make women obsolete specifically?
But I am curious why you say it would make women obsolete specifically?
Magicianzini · M
@Spectra There is more of a demand for "female replacements" in the category of companionship than of "male replacements". The need is already there. It's been there for several decades. If you find something to replace women, then true and biological women become unneeded/unnecessary.
Don't worry though. In the end we all become obsolete in this scenario. Women just happen to be first.
Don't worry though. In the end we all become obsolete in this scenario. Women just happen to be first.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@Magicianzini Ah that makes sense
Turtlepower · 36-40, M
I think it's fine honestly. It's better than sitting and wallowing in self pity.
Spectra · 26-30, F
@Turtlepower That’s a good point, lesser of two evils
Turtlepower · 36-40, M
@Spectra Yeah, I'm not sure I love the idea of it being a first choice but if it brings happiness to someone who'd otherwise be depressed? I think that's a positive.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
Also there are real and serious consequences to loneliness and depression. It's easy for those with a reliable red of social relationships to opine about those who go home to an empty place where no one is waiting for them. Day after day. If AI helps fuck it why not.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
@Spectra People come here because of the same needs. Companionship to fight loneliness, to share things with someone.
We believe that those we interact with are real people. We choose to believe that. But how do you know?
All you're actually doing is typing words on a keyboard or a phone.
How much different is that?
In terms of addiction every new technology comes with that risk.
Coping mechanism?
My friend, what, of anything we do is not a coping mechanism?
We believe that those we interact with are real people. We choose to believe that. But how do you know?
All you're actually doing is typing words on a keyboard or a phone.
How much different is that?
In terms of addiction every new technology comes with that risk.
Coping mechanism?
My friend, what, of anything we do is not a coping mechanism?
Spectra · 26-30, F
@Infamous607 That’s pretty much what I was trying to highlight. That it isn’t dissimilar to the forms of media that already exist and like those other sources it has the potential to either help or hinder depending on the person using it and what they’re using it for and how often.
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
@Spectra
I get you.
I get you.
BiasForAction · M
I feel sad thinking that may happen
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TempuraShrimp · 26-30, M
Considering that i can't find a real partner and have given up it would be my only option
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@TempuraShrimp Never give up!
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I'd rather be alone
Magicianzini · M
@ScreamingFox I just want to say (selfish, I realize so please excuse me) that this is an amazing response. It gives me hope for humanity. Thank you.
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
@Magicianzini I cherish my consciousness lol I'm attracted to it in others (that use it), I couldn't settle for anything artificial.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
It wouldn't be the same as a human of course, but it may be better than nothing for some people.
SatyrService · M
there are NO Artificial Intelligences
they are ALL just large language models
repeating back iterations of what it has been told
voulfd SOME people find this satisfactory
I am sure
they are ALL just large language models
repeating back iterations of what it has been told
voulfd SOME people find this satisfactory
I am sure
SatyrService · M
@Nitedoc but what wil we modle it n the aforesaid Ill Understood human consciousness?
i suggest a very different path
Neural net technology
been around a while, qquietly achieving success,
and it really can "think"
i suggest a very different path
Neural net technology
been around a while, qquietly achieving success,
and it really can "think"
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
@SatyrService Neural net doesn't "think" for itself. I conveys the wearers thoughts to a media.
SatyrService · M
@Nitedoc who said it was something that you wear?
the ones i think of are stand alone programs
the ones i think of are stand alone programs
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
I remember reading somewhere a person got engaged to a robot (sex doll). It’s becoming a thing in Japan
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Thrust I had a student who had a crush on an anime character and she said :
“Most people don’t know their secret crush even exists , but the person I’m crushing on doesn’t even exist hahah”
“Most people don’t know their secret crush even exists , but the person I’m crushing on doesn’t even exist hahah”
Thrust · 56-60, M
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Thrust her crush was all might from my hero academia
I don't see the point in it...
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@NerdyPotato depends on make and model. Some have a point, some have a hole.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
No, Jesus, even I'm not that desperate.
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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@AthrillatheHunt
And you really think a girl will let Me get to 2nd base ?
With a healthy diet and exercise, yes.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@basilfawlty89 you’re a good hype man bro
shinyplasticlove · 51-55, M
I could use a Cherry 2000.
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
No. Lol
Infamous607 · 51-55, M
I think it's the natural progression of things. It started with pictures and nudie magazines, then movies, games, VR sex, and next AI.
Pretzel · 70-79, M
it fills a need
so many lonely people
of course the birth rate will drop
so will divorce rates
so many lonely people
of course the birth rate will drop
so will divorce rates
MethDozer · M
That's not intimacy. Its feeding a delusion. I do beleive many will sign up to indulge in their mental illness over getting help though
HoeBag · 46-50, F
@MethDozer If delusion is someone's only option, why deprive them of it?
What should they be told? "Okay so your dating options are either horrid or non-existent, but you also cannot have any substitutes."
Unless someone is in the top 5% of attractiveness, they are either going to have to settle for a dating situation that s*cks or find an alternative.
Yeah people feed a lot of delusions, but if reality wasn't so harsh most of the time, it wouldn't be needed.
What should they be told? "Okay so your dating options are either horrid or non-existent, but you also cannot have any substitutes."
Unless someone is in the top 5% of attractiveness, they are either going to have to settle for a dating situation that s*cks or find an alternative.
Yeah people feed a lot of delusions, but if reality wasn't so harsh most of the time, it wouldn't be needed.
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
This era of humanity is so superficial it wouldnt make a difference.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
world birthrate will nosedive!!
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@1490wayb it already has , except in Africa, but their infant mortality skews any birth rate statistic
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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
No consequences only advantages stop being so damn scared of technology
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@HoeBag agreed. And they refuse to let Chinese in to care for their elderly also
Thrust · 56-60, M
@AthrillatheHunt
I worked at a Japanese news network for years. If they fail at a major task they are almost expected to commit hari kari
I worked at a Japanese news network for years. If they fail at a major task they are almost expected to commit hari kari
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Thrust death before dishonor . They really internalize stuff.