It stands for Diversity Equity Inclusion. This is not a quota program. It's a program that endorses businesses to hire people who would otherwise not be hired. And yes they must be qualified. This includes gender and religion and the disabled. As of right now this program has been discontinued. There are some who feel that DEI has nullified skill. It overlooks the qualifed. And promotes discrimination. Do you believe that DEI should be banned.🚫 Best answer wins. 🤔🇺🇸
Too many responses to read them all - but my take:
I have no problem with DEI so long as it does not lower the qualifications for certain jobs in order for people to get hired. Nor do I want to see unqualified people hired for important jobs. At the same time, I don't want private companies to be forced to hire people they would not otherwise hire. As long as they are complying with existing anti-discrimination laws, I won't complain.
DEI recognizes that certain, qualified candidates have been passed over for decades and still happens to this day. For example - two candidates that both meet the standard for an open job, but the hiring manager hires the one that celebrates Christmas over the one who celebrates Ramadan. In some cases, the more qualified person may be passed over for being, for example, transgender because the hiring manager feels uncomfortable.
But as I stated above, as long as candidates are meeting job qualifications, I have no issues with DEI.
@Zonuss Might sound like it, but my main point is that DEI definitely should not be banned because there is no basis to say that unqualified people are being hired as firefighters, pilots, etc, or that any private company is being forced to have such DEI programs - those being the only reasons I see for any law regulating/restricting DEI programs.
Basically the argument from the MAGA folks is simple bigotry.
You are right. People have it backwards, they believe it fosters hiring people with no merit. However it is just ensuring that people with merit can be hired regardless of their colour, race, sex, or gender. I have seen many times workplaces that are in an extremely ethic area, have only white middle aged men as employees. I have also seen a Chinese manager at my work, only hire Asian women in his department. DEI is to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen.
@Zonuss I can’t say she got her position because of DEI as I don’t know that, but her comments IMO sound very much like the mindset of DEI. Perhaps having been a firefighter for 30+ years I can’t accept her remarks regarding what emergency services personnel should look like when responding to aid someone or that a person or persons shouldn’t be in a circumstance where they are in need of help and/ or rescue because a female firefighter may be tasked with that person(s) rescue.
Yes, DEI mandates are outdated, and as a minority person, I actually believe they can limit opportunities for other qualified Blacks, Hispanics and Women. When quotas are involved, the focus shifts away from merit and becomes more about filling positions. This approach on hiring generally reduces efficiency. However, if you're running your own private company and choose to implement DEI, that's your prerogative. But that kind of selective approach leads to inefficiency.
@Jokersswild When quotas are involved it levels the playing field. And puts the pressure on businesses who normally do not hire qualified people of color.
After hearing the comments from the firefighter in L.A. who does not IMO-have any right to be a firefighter when she says the things she said. It is her kind of thinking very likely under the auspices of DEI that can get people killed.
People should be hired based on their ability to do the job. There should be no programs that ensure companies are more "diverse". Everyone is different. So if I have 5 black men standing in front of me, I have diversity because each man is his own individual. Each one has a name other than "black person". To think of a person no deeper than the color of their skin is racist.
In theory, it sounds good, yet in practice it is hot garbage. Look at the mess that Los Angeles is in. That falls squarely on putting the wrong people in the wrong jobs purely due to their identities and not their qualifications.
I doubt most reputable organizations are going to start discriminating in their hiring practices any more than some of them already (secretly) do, but it is also true that doing away with DEI is a step in the wrong direction.
I do not think they are going to say, "Well, since DEI was thrown out, we better stop hiring (whatever) demograph". It would not be practical to do so.
Trump just has these ideas that do not align with how things work in the real world.
@JimboSaturn Some people are like that. Maybe most people have seen it on a personal level. The main target of some pr*ck cuts off all communication but then the pr*ck just goes after someone else.
Dei should not be banned; the suggestions that it gives preference to qualified persons with diversity status ignores a) that it only equalizes the playingfield whereas persons without "diversity status" may have had preference already. And b) that currently the vast majority of positions are held by post retirement age white men. Is equal opportunity discrimination? I dont think so.
@jehova take a look at the statement by the la fire dept chief, a lesbian, woman, who admitted she would not be able to save a full grown man, it was his fault for putting himself in a dangerous situation. I saw it first hand in nursing school. An obviously unqualified black woman was allowed into the program she took the place of someone more qualified
@Patriot96 there definitely needs to be balance your first example. If someone (a DEI hire or not) cannot preform the duties of a position (even with a reasonable accommodation) they shouldnt be given the job. Second example i have the same perspective; though given a "leg up" in admissions if the person proves themselves to unqualified\not upto the position, that should be grounds for dismissal. Equal opportunity is not the same as legitimate qualification (it shouldnt be)
@jehova Adam Corolla did an interview inwhich he addressed that issue. He applied to LA fire dept. After 7 years he was called to take the test. A 5'2" black woman behind him in line had signed up on 3 days prior. Who do you want in an emergency. FAA has a DEI program for air traffic controllers.
The short answer is no. The long answer is that it's probably not even possible. DEI is profitable for everyone. It makes the business-owners more money, but it also helps the workers because it provides more opportunity. The government can ban programs that refer to themselves as "DEI," but does anyone really believe they're going to ban corporations from doing outreach to diverse communities in order to make more money?
In the UK, people who apply for public sector jobs are required by law to demonstrate that they subscribe to DEI principles. So it's hardly surprising that public organisations increasingly fail the public when culprits, or suspected culprits, are from "minority" ethnic groups.
What about the two or more applicants that all have similar qualifications? The white male is often the least considered a lot of the time in the name of equality.
No, i do not. Take one look at who wants it eliminated. Pull up photos of republican lawmakers, trumps picks, and those right-wing mouthpieces that relay what trump wants his cult to think. Those are the people that want to eliminate dei. No illusions as to why that is.
Numerous Wall Street companies this morning told trump to get bent on ending DEI. Here's the list so far. Things trump wants appeal to the lesser educated..........haters....racists.....but to society in general..............no.
She departed on Jan 4th, the fires broke out on the 7th, and staying in constant contact with officials. I see no problem with an elected official going abroad for state or personal business.
If you were NOT a Trump supporter Zonuss, I would participate in your question, but because you are a Trump supporter, what relevance would it serve for ANYONE here to answer your question if they were NOT a Trump supporters like you?
@swirlie Because many people have, even though they are not Trump supporters, and because many people have different opinions. That's what makes the world go round. You see, this is Trump's second go round. People realized their mistake the first go round. 🤣
@NativePortlander1970 I want to know that I am hired because I am qualified not because of the color of my skin or whether I am male or female. Gay or straight.
