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Musk Responds to $354 Million Ruling in Trump’s Civil Fraud Case With One Simple Question

“Given that there were no victims with losses, who is supposed to receive the money?”
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justanothername · 51-55, M
When you are found guilty of committing a crime you pay the fine and or do the time.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Strictgram And the clown knows it, too
@sunsporter1649 Why is it that you just keep forgetting about liablities, dude???? As I said, if the documents and witnesses prove you've lied about your liabilities...

That constitutes falsifying business records!
Hey ijit! It's against the law to falsify business records!!
Hey ijit!! It's against the law to falsify business records!!!

Trump committed crimes by repeatedly falsifying business records. Falsification of business records is a violation of New York Executive Law EXC § 63(12), which has been on the books since the 1960s.

Trump falsified business records involving:
Trump Tower triplex apartment
40 Wall St
Vornado Realty Trust
Trump Park Ave
Seven Springs
Briarcliffe
Mar-a-Lago
Trump National Golf Club LA
Aberdeen Golf Course

Trump is thus required by law to disgorge profits made from these falsifications.

For complete details, see
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/02/Judge-Engoron-ruling-in-Trump-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Ah, like I borrow $150,000,000 from the bank, using property valued at between $500,000,000 and $1,5000,000,000, pay the loan back on time, with interest, and somehow being accused of ....something. But of course, if the esteemed judge says said property is worth $18,000,000, suddenly the scam being pulled on the borrower becomes clear....
spjennifer · 61-69, T
Interesting, try going to buy a new car and falsify your income on the loan application and see what happens to you. Please, try it, seriously! 🤪💩🦆
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@spjennifer So, how do you feel about Bill Clinton as an adulterer, or Obama as an adulterer, or Joe Biden for molesting his wife's children in the shower?
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PSuss1 · 56-60, M
"No victims with losses" isn't a true statement though, is it?

The banks were defrauded of $168m in interest payments.
Honest borrowers were denied the opportunity to borrow the money lent to The Trump Org, at the full market rate.
The NY State property market was skewed by the fraudulent activity of The Trump Org, so other property owners or potential property owners lost.
NY State had to build an expensive case to prove The Trump Org's ongoing fraud.
NY State now have to pay for an independent Monitor for 3 years to show The Trump Org how to do business WITHOUT committing fraud.

For my money, law 63(12) doing precisely what it was designed for, ensuring business is conducted honestly and fairly in the state of NY ...and extremely unlikely to be overturned on appeal, based on the facts and evidence of the case 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
@IronHamster Blacks have more interactions because the cops racially profile them.
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graphite · 61-69, M
Democrats are copying their heroes from Marxist hellholes like the Soviet Union and Venezuela to weaponize the "justice" system against anyone who dares to oppose them. America as we knew it is over. Rush Limbaugh in his latter days talked about the Democrats' criminalization of politics.
I'm doing your research for ya, sunstroke!!

The cause of action is of a type known as a “stand-alone § 63(12) claim.” Consistent with the wording of the statute, plaintiff need only prove that defendants used false statements in business.

New York Executive Law EXC § 63(12)
12.Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law 3 or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper.  The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.  The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct.  The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person.  Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

"The law under which Ms. James sued, known by its shorthand 63(12), requires the plaintiff to show a defendant’s conduct was deceptive. If that standard is met, a judge can impose severe punishment, including forfeiting the money obtained through fraud. Ms. James has also used this law against the oil company ExxonMobil, the tobacco brand Juul and the pharma executive Martin Shkreli."

Here's a bit more about the scale of Trump's falsifications (sorry about the ugly formatting: that's the way Fox News presented it):
Donald Bender ...

Bender made absolutely clear that under the terms of the engagement for compilation services,
the client was responsible for ensuring that assets were stated at their “estimated current values,”
and that Weisselberg was responsible for determining which GAAP departures were identified
and disclosed. TT 237-238, 319-320. The engagement letters, signed by a combination of
Weisselberg, Donald Trump, and Donald Trump, Jr., confirmed this by unambiguously
acknowledging that Donald Trump, through his trustees, was responsible for the preparation and
fair presentation of the personal financial information in accordance with GAAP. See, e.g., PX
741.
Bender later learned that the Trump Organization had withheld records, such as appraisals, that
Mazars had requested while preparing the compilations, leading Mazars to conclude that the
Trump Organization had falsely represented that it had complied fully and truthfully with all
inquiries from Mazars. Mazars subsequently terminated its relationship with the Trump
Organization. TT 242-243; PX 2992, 2994. Bender stated that it was not until he was
interviewed by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, in spring 2021, that he learned that the
Trump Organization had withheld appraisals from Mazars. TT 536-538. Bender made clear that
Mazars would not have issued the SFCs if it had known that it had not been provided with all
appraisals. TT 251.

. . .

Camron Harris ...

TT 450-451. Harris also indicated that the Trump Organization designated McConney as the
“individual with suitable skills, knowledge and experience to oversee [Whitley Penn’s]
preparation of your financial statements,” as the Whitley Penn compilation engagement
agreement required. TT 459-464; PX-2300. Harris stressed the “fundamental” importance of
the client’s obligations, particularly during a compilation engagement, emphasizing that “[u]nder
a compilation, we are not doing anything, you know, to verify the accuracy of that information,
so that responsibility and accountability follows within the client to be doing those things so that
the information is correct, because we didn’t do anything to verify that it is correct.” TT 464-
465.
Harris further made clear that Whitley Penn would not have issued the 2021 SFC without a
signed representation letter from the client, indicating that it acknowledged its responsibility for
providing a fair presentation of values in accordance with GAAP. TT 480-481.

. . .

Nicholas Haigh...

Before approving the credit facility, the Private Wealth Management Division consulted
Deutsche Bank’s Valuation Services Group about market conditions to arrive at a conservative
estimate of the value of the commercial real estate should a need arise to liquidate during “bad
market conditions.” TT 1013-1016. In so doing, the Valuation Services Group applied a 50%
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“haircut” to the valuations presented by the client, which Haigh affirmed was the “standardized
number for commercial real assets.”6 TT 1016, 1041.
Haigh affirmed that the Private Wealth Management Division would not have done business
with Donald Trump without a personal guarantee, and that the personal guarantee was the reason
for favorable pricing on the loan and the large size of the loan itself. TT 1017, 1020-1021, 1032.

. . .

Doug Larson...

The covenant obligated Donald Trump to provide an annual financial statement. Haigh stressed
that the annual SFCs were required because “[t]he bank wants to be sure that the client’s
financial strength is being maintained and also the bank wants to be able to test its covenants
periodically,” and that “[t]he bank would use the financial information that [the client] provided
to test itself to try and ensure that the client is in compliance with those covenants.” TT 1022-
1023.

. . .

Larson testified clearly and credibly that although his name is cited as the source to justify a
2.940 capitalization (or “cap”) rate8 on Niketown, a property in which Donald Trump owned two
long-term leases on 57th Street, Larson never had a specific conversation with Jeffrey McConney
in which he advised him that such a cap rate would be appropriate; nor was he aware that he was
listed as a source for such a cap rate. TT 1572-1575; See, e.g., PX 758. Larson further said that
he would not have advised McConney to select that cap rate, as “it’s not how we would value [it]
in our practice.” TT 1583. Larson stated that McConney was incorrect in stating that he
consulted with Larson when valuing Trump Tower. TT 1581.
Upon learning that his name had been repeatedly used to justify cap rates that he had not
recommended, Larson said it was “inappropriate and inaccurate … I should have been told and,
you know, an appraisal should have been ordered.” TT 1587.
Larson further took issue with his name being used to justify a cap rate on the property
controlled by a Vornado partnership interest. In 2012, Larson appraised the property at 1290
Avenue of the Americas at $2 billion with a cap rate of 4.5 percent. PX 1824; TT 1588-1589.
Notwithstanding, in the following SFC’s supporting data, McConney cites Larson as the source
for using a 3.12 percent cap rate, even though he never worked with McConney to pick a cap rate
to value that property, and that he would not have, as valuing minority interests is a specialized
area beyond his expertise. TT 1589-1595.

. . .

Michael Holl...

On January 10, 2017, Holl attended a meeting at the Trump Organization with Allen Weisselberg
and other Trump Organization employees for the purpose of reviewing the Trump Organization’s
financials as part of the insurance company’s due diligence. PX 588; TT 2496-2498, 2516. On
the way home from the meeting, Holl drafted an email to his supervisors memorializing the
information he obtained. PX 2985; TT 2498-2499. Holl’s contemporaneous email reads: “Saw
very few financials but did see the balance sheet for year ends 2015. They assured me that the
one being put together is better. They have total assets of 6.6 BB. Cash of $192 mm. Total debt
of $519 mm. No single debt larger than $160mm.” PX 2985. Holl testified that the $192
million in cash was a meaningful number for him, as it “was a measure of liquidity for the
company.” TT 2500.
Holl’s contemporaneous email also reads: “No material litigation or communication from
anyone.” PX 2985. Holl understood this to be a representation from the Trump Organization
that there was no pending litigation or notices or communication that could lead to litigation and
implicate the D&O policy, which he viewed in a positive light. TT 2500-2502.

Holl deemed these representations relevant when HCC ultimately decided to extend coverage.
TT 2502.

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one being put together is better. They have total assets of 6.6 BB. Cash of $192 mm. Total debt
of $519 mm. No single debt larger than $160mm.” PX 2985. Holl testified that the $192
million in cash was a meaningful number for him, as it “was a measure of liquidity for the
company.” TT 2500.
Holl’s contemporaneous email also reads: “No material litigation or communication from
anyone.” PX 2985. Holl understood this to be a representation from the Trump Organization
that there was no pending litigation or notices or communication that could lead to litigation and
implicate the D&O policy, which he viewed in a positive light. TT 2500-2502.
Holl deemed these representations relevant when HCC ultimately decided to extend coverage.
TT 2502.

Sheri Dillon

Sheri Dillon is a tax lawyer who provided business and legal advice to the Trump Organization
from 2005 through 2020. TT 2527. Throughout her various engagements from 2011-2020,
Dillon interfaced with Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Jr. Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, Patrick
Birney, and Jill Martin. TT 2532-2534.
Contrary to the representations made to Holl about no pending litigation or claims, as early as
June 2016 Dillon was aware of claims made against the Trump Organization that could trigger
liability, and she had discussed such claims with Donald Trump, Jeffrey McConney, and Allen
Weisselberg. TT 2540-2555.
Part of her work for the Trump Organization was advising it about potential conservation
easements. TT 2531. Dillon explained that a conservation easement is essentially a “negative
covenant” in which someone who owns property agrees, in a recorded deed that runs in
perpetuity with the land, not to do something, in exchange for a tax deduction that is “equal to
the value of the easement.” TT 4123-4126.
Dillon recalls working on potential conservation easements at Trump National Golf Club LA
(“TNGCLA”), Briarcliff, and Seven Springs. As part of her engagements, Dillon would retain
appraisers from Cushman & Wakefield. She explained that obtaining a qualified appraisal to
value the potential conservation easement is an essential part of the process, as only a qualified
appraisal could determine the value of the tax deduction that could be taken. TT 4127-4128.
She clarified that qualified appraisers were tasked with determining the “highest and best use” of
a property if it were developed. TT 4141-4142.

When working on a potential conservation easement for TNGCLA, Dillon retained Brian Curry,
of Cushman & Wakefield, who valued the driving range on the property at between $27-28
million in 2014. PX 944; TT 2578-2580. On March 12, 2015, Cushman & Wakefield sent an
appraisal of the TNGCLA driving range portion of the property that valued it at $25 million as of
December 26, 2014; the appraisal also valued the entire TNGCLA property, before any potential
conservation easement, at $107 million. PX 1464; TT 2598-2603. Although Dillon could not
recall exactly with whom at the Trump Organization she shared this valuation, she knows it
would have gone to McConney, as he “would have needed it.” TT 2608-2611. Further, email
communications demonstrate ongoing discussions between Dillon, Weisselberg, and Trump, Jr.
about the potential conservation easement on TNGCLA. PX 1412; TT 4142-4146.
Notwithstanding, the 2015 supporting data and accompanying SFC valued TNGCLA at over
$140 million. PX 731; TT 2611-2623.

These are just a few choice excerpts of the many instances of Trump falsifying business records on a massive scale. For more, see https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/02/Judge-Engoron-ruling-in-Trump-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf

As noted above, in a “stand-alone § 63(12) claim.” plaintiff need only prove that defendants used false statements in business.
@sunsporter1649 Trump himself said it was an insurrection!!
I think it was an insurrection ... This was an insurrection ...
Donald J Trump Feb 8th, 2024

But you keep pretending he didn't say that, LOL!!!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues I can cherry pick too, to wit, elwood....is....stupid
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@sunsporter1649
I can cherry pick...
Yes, and you do it quite often, when you are not engaging in ad hominem attacks, tu quoque fallacies, and of course...
What you cannot do, perhaps as a result of advanced Alzheimer's, is to address a single topic without finding a thousand ways to deflect.
DUUUDE!!! I've explained this to you multiple times!!!

Trump has NY state business licenses and he violated their terms. Think of them as being like drivers licenses. If you speed, you may get fined and your license may get suspended. Even if there's no "victim" from your speeding, you STILL may get fined and be suspended!

And yeah, just like speeding, the state can receive the fines.

I've explained this to you multiple times, but it never seems to penetrate that thick skull of yours😂🤣😂🤣
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues So, property valuations were disputed, eh? And the esteemed judge has determined everyone involved in the case, except the esteemed judge hisself, is guilty of criminal fraud, right?
@ElwoodBlues It's more complicated than that, sunstroke! Look it up in the judge's ruling; scan for SFCs (Statements of Financial Condition). I have conveniently linked the ruling at the bottom.

Falsification of business records is a violation of New York Executive Law EXC § 63(12), which has been on the books since the 1960s.

Trump falsified business records involving:
Trump Tower triplex apartment
40 Wall St
Vornado Realty Trust
Trump Park Ave
Seven Springs
Briarcliffe
Mar-a-Lago
Trump National Golf Club LA
Aberdeen Golf Course

Trump is thus required by law to disgorge profits made from these falsifications.

For complete details, see
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/02/Judge-Engoron-ruling-in-Trump-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Bullschiff
@sunsporter1649 says
Lets see, Borrows $150,000,000 against properties worth between $500,000,000 and $1,200,000,000. Pays back the money, with interest, on time. Show me the fraud

It's cute how you pretend that a trial spanning ten weeks with 43 witnesses was only about a single loan and a single falsified value.

Trump falsified business records involving:
Trump Tower triplex apartment
40 Wall St
Vornado Realty Trust
Trump Park Ave
Seven Springs
Briarcliffe
Mar-a-Lago
Trump National Golf Club LA
Aberdeen Golf Course

Trump is thus required by law to disgorge profits made from these falsifications.
Disgorgement is distinct from the remedy of
restitution because it focuses on the gain to the wrongdoer as
opposed to the loss to the victim. Thus, disgorgement aims to deter
wrongdoing by preventing the wrongdoer from retaining ill-gotten
gains from fraudulent conduct. Accordingly, the remedy of
disgorgement does not require a showing or allegation of direct
losses to consumers or the public; the source of the ill-gotten gains
is “immaterial.”

There are three groups of profits that must be disgorged, spread over five years.

Engoron ordered basically three tiers of judgements: $168,040,168 with 5~ years of pre-judgment interest; $126,828,600 with 2~ years of pre-judgment interest; and $68,000,000~ with 1~ year of prejudgment interest. The imputed rate in New York for prejudgment interest is 9%.

So, for the $168,040,168 tranche, Trump will owe $263,097,302.80 with the interest added. For the $126,828,600 (2 years), Trump will owe $151,739,452.95. For the remaining $69,026,048, Trump and/or his sons will have to pay $75,501,167.42.

For a grand total of $490,337,923.17! And each year this thing goes unpaid, Trump will owe an additional $44.1 million!


CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@Strictgram
Facts are obvious to anyone unbiased and rational. That makes you biased and irrational.
So instead of providing evidence for the so-called facts you claim, you choose to attack and insult.

How utterly, sadly predictable.

The only thing more predictable would be if @sunsporter1649 weighed in with a clichéd and useless comment to support your claim that you do not have to prove what you consider facts.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@CorvusBlackthorne If the shoe fits, wear it....
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@sunsporter1649 Right on schedule.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
It's too bad that the banks weren't big/smart enough to appraise the property values for themselves... 🙄

No bank is going to operate long taking a customer at their word and never verifying for underwriting purposes.
@sunsporter1649 Depends on how fast you were going! You can have your license suspended in some cases.

To child abusing sadist @Strictgram Nice fairytale!! Actually, in the real world, numerous bank officers testified AGAINST Trump.

See the excerpted testimony of Donald Bender, Camron Harris, Nicholas Haigh, Doug Larson, Michael Holl, and others. Happy reading!!
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/02/Judge-Engoron-ruling-in-Trump-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Nope, if you vwere nevere on the highway mentioned on thye citation, or the highway mentioned in the citation does not exist, the citation is voided
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues David Williams, Nicholas Haigh, Rosemary Vrablic....
Convivial · 26-30, F
He lied in a contract... Try it yourself and see what happens
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Lila15 you constantly elevate him to deity status. Perhaps it is not my meds we should be concerned about.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@sunsporter1649 just as bad
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
When you get a parking ticket for overstaying at the meter, is there a victim?
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Lila15

Grow up already
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 Hilarious. I haven't been to college, by the way.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
Another day of "law-abiding-citizens" complaining about the laws they don't want to abide by.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Kwek00 Yup, demonocrats do it all day long, it gets boring listening to their bleating
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sunsporter1649 It's kinda sad that everytime I point out some bad behavioral trait, the responds is: "other people do it too". I guess you are just as crappy as a human being as the people you complain about. Good job dumbass.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Kwek00 Folks that live in glass outhouses should not throw shit around
Bill1372 · 51-55, M
Receive the money?! The government… Then the dems can give 350 million more freebies to people running across the border
MasterLee · 56-60, M
So all the money the bank made should be confiscated?

Doing business with Donald Trump fines now?
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Lila15 Still worshipping trump again? I keep telling you he isn't god. when you come to your senses, maybe I will engage you. Until then you are just an impertinent child.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
@MasterLee Please ask the nurse to bring you your meds. Your dementia is preventing you from remembering what possessives refer to.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Lila15 Very well child. Done.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
There is no such thing as a crime without victims, even if the individual victims are a step or two removed.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Lila15 No, you would be dead, due to my attack duck.

Lila15 · 22-25, F
@sunsporter1649 Hey, ducks are nothing to trifle with. Geese are even worse.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Lila15 I know, my pet duck, Mrs. Jones, protects me while I am fishin.

You can be a victim without losses.

Say you were supposed to get $250 million, but in the end you only get $25 million.

That's a $25 million gain, but you were a victim of $225 million as it was stolen or they cheated you out of that amount.


Also in this case, one bad actor can raise the loan prices on others whom correctly and legally report their information.


And I don't know this, but I think the money is going to the government, which in theory reduce the tax payers debt.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@sstronaut So Mar-A-Largo is worth $18,000,0900 eh?
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
It’s a fine, like a traffic ticket. Trump broke the law and will pay the fine to the state of New York. The victims are essentially the people of that state.
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IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Lila15 There's no expert that places the value of Mar Largo anywhere near what the shirtless pervert says. Would you sell your home for $200, because that's what a judge says it's worth?
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IronHamster · 56-60, M
The judge needs to be imprisoned for racketeering. Erdogan claims Mar Largo is only worth $18 million. Nonsense. Given the cost of land, that property of 15 acres with access to the ocean and intercoastal is about $1.3 billion. Erdogan couldn't even buy the parking lot for $18 million.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@Lila15 Meh. The shirtless selfie pervert judge.
4meAndyou · F
@IronHamster I saw a photo of Erdogan on the news last night. His smirking face looks like Poster Boy for smirking a$$holes.
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therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
The Clinton Foundation, aren't they the best at getting money to people in need? Didn’t they do this in Haiti?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@therighttothink50 A grift from start to finish,
PatKirby · M
Either they know they're going to lose on appeal for lack of legal standing and are just making a statement, or somewhere in a cave in DemonratSylvania a ghost is about to receive a phantom check.
The State. Aren't the damages punitive?
4meAndyou · F
Apparently the State of New York is just planning on stealing it. 🤭
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
@MarmeeMarch The money will go to the state general fund, so I'm sure they will use it for that.
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Lila15 · 22-25, F
@MarmeeMarch I thought you were suggesting one way to spend it. If the state gets it, it will contribute to taking care of the immigrants since that comes out of the state general fund.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
He has a good point
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
Elon is a liar. The American people are all the victims.
@sunsporter1649 wonders
Now suddenly a State trial is a Federal trial?
Nope. States have governments and taxpayers too, ijit!!

BTW, @sunsporter1649 How stupid do you have to be to pretend that undisclosed debt isn't relevant to a Statement of Financial Condition?? And how stupid do you have to be to pretend that false SFCs don't result in false business records??

Falsification of business records is a violation of New York Executive Law EXC § 63(12), which has been on the books since the 1960s.

Trump falsified business records involving:
Trump Tower triplex apartment
40 Wall St
Vornado Realty Trust
Trump Park Ave
Seven Springs
Briarcliffe
Mar-a-Lago
Trump National Golf Club LA
Aberdeen Golf Course

Trump is thus required, by law, to disgorge profits made from these falsifications.

For complete details, see
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2024/02/Judge-Engoron-ruling-in-Trump-New-York-civil-fraud-case.pdf
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues About as stupid as to believe that this bullschiff trial in ny is about some finicial transaction
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@sunsporter1649 What is a finicial transaction? I thought we were discussing financial transactions.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@justanothername So you have no idea, which is typical of you left-wing nut-job marxist clapping seals.

justanothername · 51-55, M
@sunsporter1649 You clearly have no idea how to use Google you right wing nut job.
@justanothername Google, which is nothing more than just another establishment tool, tied to the Klintoons, that does nothing but spews leftist disinformation.
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IronHamster · 56-60, M
@ExperienceDLT No. Fascists overstepped. This is shoddy work, and will get turned over on appeal, then Trump's legal teams will sue for malicious prosecution.

 
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