Secession, why or why not

Not that it would ever happen, but if there was an agreement to divide the nation, you'd see two dramatically different countries in 10-20 years. Blue America, running on Obama/Biden type policies would delve into socialism/communism. While red America running on America first policies would thrive and excel economically. After the blue gov't confiscates people's homes, their 401Ks and IRAs, creates a 30% unemployment rate, makes their frozen cricket dinners unaffordable, destroys the electric power grid to the point where people are unable to heat/cool their gov't apartments and abandon their EVs, blue Americans would attempt to escape to red America. But red America and its thriving economy would have built a wall to prevent illegal blues from sneaking in. Blue Americans would be fed a steady diet of propaganda, drugs and vaccines to keep them passive and reduce the population. Red Americans would be enjoying incredible prosperity saying to the blues, "I told you so."

would be some interesting borders...


until "blue" America starved to death from lack of food production that is... 🤔

Secession is not allowed by the Constitution, a fact affirmed by Texas v. White. Also, the divide isn’t so much red vs. blue states, but red rural areas vs. blue cities.

It’s hilarious how people claim to be patriotic Americans, but want to break up America.

IMO, the administration’s desire is to do what they want despite the concerns of the states and the people of those states.
You push people so far and then they react, and often it can be with violence.
And that is unfortunate but sometimes the answer to tyranny, which is what this nation is facing from the Biden administration is a very real possibility. Again, IMO.

Yay. The country is divided in half with no hope of being able to get along and as a matter of fact the divide keeps getting worse as the left moves farther towards the government and the woke corporations controlling your life.

It won't be easy, interstate commerce and programs like Social Security that confiscated money from everyone have to be considered, but hopefully something can be worked out amicably.

With the way things are headed under this administration, it could come down to possible secession by states or worse.
The American people are being put at risk domestically and given the actions of our VP in the Philippines at the direction of this administration, increasing the tension and potential for conflict with China.

I used to oppose it, but seeing where things are headed, it's probably a good idea. America could fly pretty high without the massive weight of Texas tied to its ankle.

Red America is about 30% of US economic productivity; Blue America is 70%. Red America would never survive without the massive subsidies in government spending that they receive.

I think blue America would be better off if red America seceded; however, unfortunately, I live in red America 😕

Why? Title 42 will be lifted. How many thousands more illegals will cross our borders? Aka the border is not secure despite the lies of the head of DHS, another feckless puppet.

'Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.'

The demonocrats tried it once, no reason to think they are not doing it again today

I think it would turn the United States into something LESS than a third world power.

If part of the country were to secede, I would definitely prefer it to be California. Then we could build a wall and try to keep them out of the remaining sane portions of the country. They are fond of bragging about their excess money...so let them run their state without the federal government to fund it.

New England is also sizing up to be a lost cause. Unfortunately, they have the best hospitals in the country...and MIT.

Got to think about what would be lost, if you are going to carve us up like a turkey.

I've been saying it's inevitable since before 2000. You would definitely need to allow tons of cross migration (ship the southern leftists to Chicago and Minneapolis - in the dead of winter)

Doesn't look good.

Well it was tried in 1861...didn't go particularly well.

I supposed congress could authorize it and the prez sign it...but just saying they are no longer part of the union probably won't work

If they are in any true sense sovereign states which have freely associated themselves within a federation, then they should be free disassociate themselves from it.

Seriously I don’t think it would be good for anyone in the USA in any State to secede, regardless of political or religious views.

I say if the States below the Mason-Dixon line want to secede, fuck it, let them go, we'll take our 70-80% GDP and live very comfortably without all the red welfare States. Only problem with Gilead will be that within 6 months we'll need to build a wall to keep all the illegals aliens (Southerners) out but i suspect tRump will be very happy as the King of Gilead! 🙃

It would look like 1861-1865

I'm in California and there's been real talk of what secession might look like. Cascadia is another movement with western states. Hell, the county I live in had a ballot measure to secede. It was stupid and driven by right wing extremists. Whatever. Currently it's illegal and I'm not sure what it would take for that to change.

But my understanding is that something like 30 to 40 percent of citizens would approve of a secession by their state. Personally, I'd love to live in the country of California. We have the fifth largest economy in the world and could conceivably fund ourselves. But that's an emotional decision. I think you could figure out things like cross border trading but the military component might be the trickiest. And if it were to happen it could only take place in a state or states with the revenue to make it work. I could see, way down the road, CA, OR and WA seceding. Possibly in conjunction with British Columbia which has shown support for it as well. But before that I see States drawing even bigger lines in the sand about how they run their own show.

It's a good question though. Could happen.

blood blood and more blood.
at least 5 countries

Ooh, fun. A different topic from our usual argument.

I'm in favor of dividing the United States into smaller countries, just because it's too big, and the people are too divided. I can see Oregon and Washington combining into one country called Pacifica or some such. Idaho wouldn't be invited because they are far too far to the right, and I would maybe include northern California, but not southern. Texas would obviously be its own country, because they've been acting like they are for centuries. The rest of the former Confederate states could form their own country, since they still seem to hold a grudge against the federal government. Beyond that, I haven't really thought it through, and obviously, we would all have equal access to the armed forces currently protecting the US.

Oh, and give Hawaii its independence.