Congratulations anti-vaxxers! They said it couldn't be done!!

@Mamapolo2016 So sorry, my colleague ended up retiring, he was a vibrant neuro-toxicologist. I do owe him an email.

@samueltyler2 Write it. No time like the present!

@Mamapolo2016 I need to find his email address.

@JHNTHN and had posted about COVID vaccines when OP had clearly said polio.Looks like one of the nurses in the phychiatric ward is missing a cellphone.Their long term resident dippyjoe went and stole it then logged into SW.

@tallpowerhouseblonde Hey now, he's a man of GAWD HALLELUJAH! Follower of the righteous footsteps...

@JHNTHN He just goes round in circles with no facts and no evidence.Well at least OP gets more SW points for the posts getting longer.

@Subsumedpat ya pretty much and they always blame stupid crap.

@Chelsiegirl You can't solve stupid but if you put duct tape over their mouth it deadens the sound.

@tallpowerhouseblonde i so agree.. :)

@ShellSeeker only a minority whose children will suffer 😥

@ShellSeeker Yes...we lead in willful stupidity...

@JHNTHN Used to willingly vaccinate their kids but now protest that school mandates are against their rights. Fuck all the other kids in the school.

@Pitchblue oh u hit that on the head.

@Chelsiegirl Now the Russians are thinking, How do we get MonkeyPox going in the US. I know Boris, We tell those toughguys only Homos get it.

@LeopoldBloom Polio is an AWFUL disease. The anti-vaxxers who go around claiming vaccine causes autism have misinformed millions, leading to the return of polio and other diseases.

My hub's uncle had polio. He died but not of polio, of cancer. But he lost some mobility over time due to polio. @LeopoldBloom

@Spoiledbrat my uncle had polio, lost a leg, used a wooden leg to get around, cancer killed him when he was 42, poor man.

@bijouxbroussard I had an art teach who was a survivor. And yeah he was nearly crippled.

@bijouxbroussard i have a close cousin that has polio. It's a devastating disease.

@ElwoodBlues @OggggO
Sourced cdc

And again irregardless of those numbers and my opinion that it being deliberately tied to the government manipulation that is my own opinion (and many others) and I respect if you don’t believe it

But you mean to sit there and tell me that that mean and his Individual choice represents an entire population of people (who have other vaccines) but refuse to get the Covid vaccine that have no connections to him whatsoever.

That’s a weird thing to even do why are you blaming your fellow Americans? Everything is always republicans or democrats fault. Why does someone always feel the need to blame someone else and tie it to politics for something irrelevant

@DeluxedEdition Where did you find that bar graph? When was it made? Who published it? What's the date on it?

My graph is marked KFF for Kaiser Family Foundation, and dated Oct 2021. Your graph appears to be way out of data; essentially obsolete data from early in the vaccination period. It's like posting someone's baby picture and saying that's what they look like as an adult.

Sorry, you need to provide data that has a DATE on it if you want it to be taken seriously.

@DeluxedEdition Sourced CDC when? And how much of that has to do with lack of access?

@windinhishair have you got your head buried. People have died because of the covid injection. Do you really think noone has died from the covid injection?

@gol979 The number of people who have died after being injected is dwarfed by the number of covid dead. The injections have saved millions of people. Your approach is like not wearing seatbelts because every once in awhile, someone is thrown from a terrible wreck and survives. Dumb.

@windinhishair His approach is like this guy with his carrot!

@hippyjoe1955 Once again, lying and providing absolutely nothing to back it up. Meanwhile, in reality:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00324-5
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-did-not-skip-animal-trials-because-of-animal-deaths-idUSL2N2NJ1IK
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

Oh, and it's not even the first mrna vaccine tested on animals or even humans.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/02/animal-trial-shows-promise-zika-mrna-vaccine
https://www.cell.com/molecular-therapy-family/molecular-therapy/pdfExtended/S1525-0016(17)30156-9
https://speakingofresearch.com/2021/08/27/human-mrna-vaccine-trials-in-the-2010s-a-history-lesson-in-animal-research/

@JHNTHN say what?

@HannahSky That's what they said about "covfefe." It's just a joke.

@JHNTHN I'm trying to forget all that lol

@Spunkylama honestly though

@CorvusBlackthorne My spoken word and the speculation about supply shortage reasons should be all the evidence you need.

I am a big believer in the bible and telling the truth! I am incapable of BS.

@CestManan That doesn't make you incapable of being deceived. And if you are really a scholar of the Bible you know that a belief in your own infallibility is the OPPOSITE of humility!

In THIS world, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are proposing a GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCy of tens of thousands of semi trucks full of corpses and not a single leak or whistleblower, not a single statistic of all the "hidden deaths," no evidence except your personal opinion, which, actually, happens to disagree with the personal opinions of some other sincere true believers in the Bible. Sorry, that's insufficient.

@CestManan Ah. Sarcasm.

@SomeMichGuy He hates people and spreads his malicious mischief through outright lies and twisted claims. Look above, where his attitude is that he’s vaccinated so he’s safe (suddenly vaccines work and are good, huh?) so everyone else can be ut at risk as far as he’s concerned.

@sputnik So how many people do you know that are fully vaxed against covid that have had covid? Honest question please answer honestly. Remember Fauci and Biden and Harris are all fully vaxed and then had covid. Most of my vaxed friends have had covid more than once. None of my unvaxed friends have had covid more than once. The problem you have is you can't distinguish between a good vaccine and a quack vax. The covid vax are quack medicine and should be avoided. Salk Polio vaccines work and should be used. Isn't that simple? It is called EVIDENCE BASED SCIENCE. Something that you seemingly are incapable of understanding.

@hippyjoe1955 Covid has evolved. It is a mistake to call all variants by the same name. Unvaxxed people who had Covid are getting it again. Vaxxed people are getting Covid. Omicron BA.5 is breaking through both kinds of pre-omicron protections. 2nd cases of unvaxxed are milder than first cases. First cases of already vaxxed are milder than first cases of unvaxxed. The research supports these claims.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.abo2202

@hippyjoe1955 Your expertise in immunology will probably lead you to quickly recognize that low antibody cross-neutralization means there weren't enough antibodies to entirely prevent infection. And your expertise will also inform you that the phrase "T cells recognized Omicron just as effectively as other VOCs" means than vaccinated people, once infected, can quickly mount a robust cellular response, resulting in less severe illness.

@SomeMichGuy I took the Salk vaccine when I was young and was very glad to get it. Everyone was relieved to do so.

@windinhishair YES, instead of everyone whose only interface with STEM was balancing their checkbook trying to critique science which they can't understand. Luddites trying to run the show.

@doong What unsourced, piecemeal, incomplete hallucination is this?

@Graylight It's my query result using wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

Poor that 3 dude, maybe they never have polio, until moderna/pfizer tamper their gene

@doong DUUUDE!!!
VAERS is like Facebook. Anybody can post anything there!! You really ought to read the disclaimers.

@ElwoodBlues You don't have any reliable data. Nice try though.

@hippyjoe1955 And on to more outlandish claims, LOL!!!

In school they taught me that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you have no evidence whatsoever.

The data I provide originates in peer reviewed journals where statistical data is carefully checked. The "data" you provide is a collection of unverifiable personal anecdotes. Sorry, dude, I'm sticking with the peer reviewed journals.

@ElwoodBlues Uh, no you didn't you fraud. 😂

@ElwoodBlues The data strongly suggest that the death rate due to covid is higher than has been reported. This happened with the swine flu in 2009 as well, and the death toll was updated a couple years later to reflect the more accurate numbers.

@Zonuss Is this your way of trying to change the subject and avoid discussing the compelling death data???

I see elsewhere under this question that I gave you a chance to take a stand on the death data, and you ducked the question then as well. Is this what they call "weaponized ignorance"??

@ChipmunkErnie Internet bots are hitting this one hard as a homosexual desease.

@Pitchblue They learned nothing from the AIDS epidemic. Communicable diseases don’t restrict themselves to one community or another.

@bijouxbroussard Seems like "They" are trying to kill as many people as is possible.

@Nanoose Yup. Gotta love them "pure bloods".

@RosaMarie Sadly, true.

@LordShadowfire I might still consider Novavax, if available. Not your favorite gene-therapy jabs.

@doong I'm telling you, I'm doing just fine on the vaccine I received. Now, if you were hesitant about the J&J vax, I would understand. I personally know someone whose girlfriend got that one, never had any problem with any other vaccines in her life, and she went to the hospital with blood clots.

@doong Novavax vaccine delivers 89% efficacy against COVID-19 in U.K. in Jan 2021. By your definition that's not a vaccine, LOL!!! By May 2021 it was getting about 60% efficacy in South Africa. Again, by your definition, not a vaccine!

How about more recent variants??

@Carissimi "Illegals," RIIIIIIGHT
Remind me, how far is Rockland County, NY from the Mexican border???

@Carissimi Unfortunately, There's a big swath of uneducated people claiming vaccines cause autism; they primed the pump for the current popularity of anti-vax fervor. And guess what famous NY billionaire used to count himself among the vaxx=autism croud?

Trump, vaccines, autism

@doong You might find that you're suddenly no longer in possession of the picture. That tends to happen.

@LordShadowfire LOL, i keep those pic in my pc. Will re-upload if necessary 😜

@Subsumedpat Trump at the Centre for Disease Control, People are really surprised I understand this stuff. Every one of the Doctors said, How do you know so much about this? Maybe I have natural ability.
The Scientists and Doctors had to listen to that verbal diarrhea while Trump lied and contradicted them.

@Kwek00 Very true. This is one of those issues people are referring to when they say "those who fail to study history are bound to repeat it." Muslims are another cheap target.

@windinhishair Just stupid human behavior, trying to find scapegoats for misery they either can't explain or the refusal of doing some self reflection. In René Girards (a conservative thinker btw) philosophical work called "The Scapegoat". He starts by discussing a 14th century french poem (Le Jugement dou Roy de Navarre) written by "Guillaume de Machaut", about a time when the black plague breaks out. And the human tendency in the community was to blame people that think diffrently (as in: "weren't christian enough") and Jews. And then the poem describes the genocide that follows. 700 years later, and a large part of humanity is still stuck in that mentality.

SOURCE: https://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/palmer-machaut-thedebateseries-navarre

@thedarkside Given that thanks to this dude, there is now more polio in the USA than the entirety of Latin America, it can be safely said you don't know what's going on either and just fall for whatever bigotry is floated your way.

@ArishMell And of course the antivaxxers will fight any attempt to stop an outbreak.

@ArishMell Because of the strain he got they know he got it from someone outside the us who was vaccinated with the no longer used in the US oral vaccine that uses a live attenuated virus to make it.

@thedarkside you are the racist, not me. Let’s review the facts here:

You are a racist and then resort to insults to support yourself being a racist.

You are the one that looks stupid here so congratulations to you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@iamonfire696 Thanks!

@HannibalAteMeOut Well I just posted the Wapo report indicating he had traveled, nothing more. Where he contracted it, who knows, but he did.

@soar2newhighs Interesting WaPo doesn't say exactly when he traveled. NYT says he didn't travel during what would have been his transmission window.

NY TIMES
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/nyregion/rockland-county-polio-unvaccinated.html

USA TODAY
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/07/21/polio-reported-rockland-county-ny-first-in-u-s-in-years/10119514002/

Lemme just underline that NYT quote: “up to 95 percent of people infected have no symptoms, which makes tracking down the transmission difficult.” In other words, polio transmission is common among unvaccinated, but serious symptoms are rare.

That's got to be absolutely terrifying to public health officials.

@ElwoodBlues Not a criticism of you but your post stated he hadn’t traveled. I followed up as I was unaware of this guy’s situation and as you see in my initial post citing the Wapo, it said he had traveled. Nothing more.

@ElwoodBlues I am ducking nothing. I gave you the real facrs and that is just what they are.
Not all of the people here in North America who had the virus were on file or on record. And some are still getting it and not reporting it. And many of those people are vaccinated.
Now if you care to get out of your little box and ask around you might be surprised to hear the real stories from real people. Not fake news. ☺️

@Zonuss So you ARE denying he 500,000 excess deaths in the US in 2020?

@ElwoodBlues Would you bet your life that all of those people died from.the virus. 🙂

@itsoeasy of polio? no, you weren't - there isn't a cure and the vax requires several shots

@tindrummer yes when were at school as kids we got a sugar lump of polio vaccine, this protected us from getting polio, your right once you get it, but not before

@itsoeasy Yeah, according to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK545991/ the UK had serious supply problems in the early days of their vaccination program. UK chose a different initial polio virus than the US, and, for a few years, refused to import US Salk vaccine, partly based on a major failure in the US called the Cutter Labs Incident.

So I'm guessing the UK prioritized getting one sugar lump to every kid at first, and then provided followup doses when supply permitted.

@ElwoodBlues The problem is that the fool involved was Playboy Playmate Jenny McCarthy, who was a ferocious mother who insisted that her boy, Evan, was made autistic by the vaccines he got.

Her influence made the scientific community go on a quest to check the dependency, and a very exhaustive search produced nothing...if memory serves, one of the studies used a Dutch medical db of that country's citizens to find a null result.

She was the darling of shock jocks, the leader of anxious mothers, and the insistent voice about vaccines. She tried to claim she wasn't anti-vaccine, but only that people should get educated and work out their own solutions...like asking the doctor if there were a "natural" way to achieve the same effect...!

The fact that RFK, Jr., is also anti-vaccine is just astounding; he is apparently trying to negate some of the positive service of his family... His arg. seems to be numerical--"we only had 'n' vaccines when *I* was a kid, why do we now need 'm > n' vaccines?"--which is no argument at all.

So a sexy Playmate who was a mom and a Kennedy...and the powder keg of people who think that their lack of study & knowledge trumps the study & knowledge of others...et voilà! we have arrived at today. 🥺

@SomeMichGuy Yeah, I used to joke about "not quite doctor" Jenny McCarthy, an "investigator" whose earlier body of work was widely published in the "anatomical journals" of Mr Hugh Hefner. No, she never got a college degree.

It's amazing how much damage a few determined idiots can do.

@ElwoodBlues Yes. She grabbed onto that explanation and propounded it to the universe.

Had she been ugly, 500#, a nobody, I think it would have had considerable less traction.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout You know who was a MAJOR anti vaxxer a few years ago?
Hint: He's REALLY REALLY good at spreading misinformation!!

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout

@Pitchblue I alternate between dreading that time and hoping it arrives quickly. Does that make any sense?