dancingtongue · 80-89, M
You left out one key ingredient it took back in my day and even more so today -- education. The big difference in my day was that public universities were essentially tuition-free. You still had to parental support or work part-time jobs (multiple part-time jobs, in my case) to pay for room & board, books, incidentals. But you didn't run up the huge student loan debts. Didn't save us from the 60 hour weeks, the high mortgage rates & gas lines of the 70's others have mentioned, but opened doors on a higher career path.
Reality today is both my grandchildren already had jobs with firms they had done internships/co-operative work/study programs with while going to college, and now that they have graduated are already doing well. They are fortunate that their parents had created 529 college funds for them while they were still in diapers, so no student loans to pay off. That's planning, not luck. Being incredibly smart may be luck, but didn't save them from working hard during the difficult pandemic years to get those college degrees.
Reality today is both my grandchildren already had jobs with firms they had done internships/co-operative work/study programs with while going to college, and now that they have graduated are already doing well. They are fortunate that their parents had created 529 college funds for them while they were still in diapers, so no student loans to pay off. That's planning, not luck. Being incredibly smart may be luck, but didn't save them from working hard during the difficult pandemic years to get those college degrees.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
@dancingtongue Creating an education fund for children probably happens here too, and Australia has the same problems. Education used to be universally available to everyone, now it's only available to those who can afford it. I don't earn enough to put away money for my 8 yo daughter. My ex does because she fully paid off her house 10 yrs ago due to a lot of help from her parents and gets child support + other gov assistance payments. I bought a house 2 years ago but both my parents are deceased and I had to fight my sister to get any share of my late mum's estate. Got freakishly lucky with that.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@zonavar68 Glad things are beginning to work out for you. To be clear, a 529 educational fund here works like an IRA retirement account (except there is no mandated employer participation, and other family members can contribute to it). Money regularly set aside from income is not taxed at that time and is unlikely to be taxed, or taxed very much, when the children begin drawing out of it for college expenses because they don't earn enough. My son and his wife were both just starting out when they opened the ones for their two kids, and were struggling to get their careers launched, buy their first home, and all that. It is a question of where you prioritize spending your limited income starting out, and avoiding those usury interest rates by carrying a lot of debt on your credit card(s) to buy non-essentials.
My uncle gave me the best advice I ever got when I was coming out of college: live within your means and set 10% aside for retirement. His explanation was that 10% sounded like a lot, but it came down to a measly dime out of each dollar. Pocket change that we usually squandered on stuff we really didn't need. I heeded his words, even in the roughest patches when I wasn't sure how we were going to pay the mortgage and put food on the table at the same time. Ten percent -- later on, the max allowed of 25% -- was deducted from my paycheck sight unseen, matched by my employer, and went into an IRA that was not taxed until I began withdrawing it at age 65.
My uncle gave me the best advice I ever got when I was coming out of college: live within your means and set 10% aside for retirement. His explanation was that 10% sounded like a lot, but it came down to a measly dime out of each dollar. Pocket change that we usually squandered on stuff we really didn't need. I heeded his words, even in the roughest patches when I wasn't sure how we were going to pay the mortgage and put food on the table at the same time. Ten percent -- later on, the max allowed of 25% -- was deducted from my paycheck sight unseen, matched by my employer, and went into an IRA that was not taxed until I began withdrawing it at age 65.
Pfuzylogic · M
I took the easy way out and joined the military.
I have been retired since 59. Came out after 8 years active and spawned 4 kids. This was at the time that ronnie reagan, the first former hollywood actor to become President, promised a bigger military and a balanced budget. We went from 100 billion dollars in debt to 2 trillion.
He wanted one trillion more but his Star Wars project was voted down in Congress.
It was scary stuff back then. My son invested in Ethereum and bought a Condo and is looking pretty sweet. I couldn’t believe they are starting 50 year mortgages!
We can’t forget the poor though. Looks like someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar that had 5 billion in it for SNAP.
Greedy billionaires always needing more money.
We could afford more illegal immigrants if we could get the filthy rich to pay their fair share of taxes.
I have been retired since 59. Came out after 8 years active and spawned 4 kids. This was at the time that ronnie reagan, the first former hollywood actor to become President, promised a bigger military and a balanced budget. We went from 100 billion dollars in debt to 2 trillion.
He wanted one trillion more but his Star Wars project was voted down in Congress.
It was scary stuff back then. My son invested in Ethereum and bought a Condo and is looking pretty sweet. I couldn’t believe they are starting 50 year mortgages!
We can’t forget the poor though. Looks like someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar that had 5 billion in it for SNAP.
Greedy billionaires always needing more money.
We could afford more illegal immigrants if we could get the filthy rich to pay their fair share of taxes.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
@Pfuzylogic Amazing how a 4 year hitch can change your whole trajectory in life!
Pfuzylogic · M
@GerOttman I was obligated for six bc I screwed up my nuke school.
DragonFruit · 70-79, M
I worked hard for nany years working long hours. I'm now retired and I'm not concerned about the money....I have enough to not be worried about it.
Not everyone has been able to achieve what I have, but some have been even more successful business....though I don't envy them.
The Anerican dream isn't quite dead, but it's less achievable for most.
Not everyone has been able to achieve what I have, but some have been even more successful business....though I don't envy them.
The Anerican dream isn't quite dead, but it's less achievable for most.
GerOttman · 70-79, M
Every generation faces its own unique perils and opportunities. In each generation some find success, others don't. The opportunities are always there. It's a matter of having that combination of street/real smarts to take advantage. I see successful young people all the time. They're smart, they work hard and they take pride in being good at what they do.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
I think to reach it, you are going to have to do a lot of hours of work a week (excess of 60 hrs a week) and only buy necessities. That's a struggle and tends to make life undesireable.
Is it possible? Sure, but the price is going to be a person's vibrancy and health.
Is it possible? Sure, but the price is going to be a person's vibrancy and health.
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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@samueltyler2 maybe if you already have savings and property now. At this moment, without either of those, you will struggle.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@FoxyGoddess when i grew up, we had food and nothing, and love and an educational and work ethic, but little else. I tried to stay humanistic but worked crazy hours to earn my place in society.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@samueltyler2 Yeah, but even still, things were working in your favor as you greww up. Those entering adulthood now, do not have any of those things today. The earlier generations made it literally impossible for them to accomplish what you did.
So if you are judging from your experience, you are working with a past understanding that doesn't apply to today.
So if you are judging from your experience, you are working with a past understanding that doesn't apply to today.
Cantsayno · 51-55, M
You’re right and I can’t believe how hard it is for the younger people right now.
Keep your eyes on the prize and work hard. It will pay off.
Keep your eyes on the prize and work hard. It will pay off.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Cantsayno we didn't think we had it easy, believe me.
Cantsayno · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 I worked hard for everything I have.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Cantsayno i didnt say you didn't.
Neoerectus · M
AND debt of all stripes.
We ONCE had usury laws. Interest today is absurdly high. Like any "pusher," banks scream 'you low income folks will be too high risk! So we will cut you off..."
It has worked every time Congress considered reimplementation.
We ONCE had usury laws. Interest today is absurdly high. Like any "pusher," banks scream 'you low income folks will be too high risk! So we will cut you off..."
It has worked every time Congress considered reimplementation.
smileylovesgaming · 31-35, F
U can still get a house if u want one. Just got to save your money instead of spending it. So no eating out. U can't get your hair and nails done every week. U can't get Starbucks coffee every day
helenS · 36-40, F
Oh I think (as an outsider) the American Dream has always been about a Free Republic, not Free Lunch.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@helenS it has always been if you earn something you can claim it.
Kiesel · 56-60, M
I wholeheartedly agree
I would toss in there, passionate determination….
I would toss in there, passionate determination….
pamlooksgood · F
@Kiesel Absolutely — passionate determination is a big part of it. A lot of people still chase the dream, but the economy makes it tougher than it used to be. Thanks for sharing your take!
Gilmore8 · 31-35, M
Opportunity is available with hard work and dedication. This seems to be slipping in our society. More entitlement and less desire to push hard for what you want.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Yeah absolutely everyone can succeed in life people without a lot of money are just lazy. All you need to do is get a job at your dad's company provided you promise to stay off the pills this time.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@CountScrofula unfortunately, it is often about who you know and who can bankroll you first.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
The American Dream is still real. Its just different now.
Spend less, save more. Always pay attention to your surroundings.
And never let your guard done in life, ever.
Stay on point, and make sure you are focused on going up instead of down.
Spend less, save more. Always pay attention to your surroundings.
And never let your guard done in life, ever.
Stay on point, and make sure you are focused on going up instead of down.
Shybutwilling2bfriends · 61-69
I agree with you its nearly impossible
JonLosAngeles66 · M
It's harder than ever. Neither party makes opening a small business easy. All the tax breaks go to the ultra rich. Small business owners pay the most taxes of anyone.
Thrust · 56-60, M
@JonLosAngeles66
Wealthiest 1% pay 50% of all federal tax you 🤡
Small business owners pay the most taxes of anyone
Wealthiest 1% pay 50% of all federal tax you 🤡
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
There's confusion about what the "American Dream" was, but today's people could secure peace and tranquility for the whole population or just part of it, any time.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Oh yes, for anyone willing to work
Sojournersoul · M
It is still out there. People don’t seem to want to put in the effort these days.
pamlooksgood · F
@Sojournersoul True.
WandererTony · 56-60, M
Thats why it was called a dream. 😊
pamlooksgood · F
@WandererTony which is complicated because sometimes dreams come true but not all the time
WandererTony · 56-60, M
@pamlooksgood mine never did.
Not even the nightmares. And am so thankful for that. 😊
Not even the nightmares. And am so thankful for that. 😊
JackDaniels · 46-50, M
American dream, yes very much alive.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
imagine 10-15% mortgage like in the 70's and gas stations running out of fuel
pamlooksgood · F
@1490wayb True, but today’s problems hit different. Imagine trying to survive with 10–15% mortgage rates like the 70s and gas stations running out of fuel. People forget how tough that era really was.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
@pamlooksgood thruout my career, my income fell way behind inflation. thankful i had no dependents
Thrust · 56-60, M
@pamlooksgood
Those hideous mortgage rates did keep property values down. So if you were fortunate enough to have cash, you were golden
Those hideous mortgage rates did keep property values down. So if you were fortunate enough to have cash, you were golden
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Sounds about right..
SomeMichGuy · M
AI will ve part of the maelstrom taking us down.
MrGomco · 36-40, M
What's your own definition of American Dream? 🤔
Teslin · M
It certainly seems to be more difficult today.
AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
If you want it bad enough it will happen.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@AdmiralPrune not by magic!
AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
@samueltyler2 No. By something much more straightforward. Persistence and hard work.
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
It's over. Unless people have support there's no way to get ahead unless you're lucky.
SUPERVlXEN · F
What's the American dream these days? 🤔
MrGomco · 36-40, M
@SUPERVlXEN I'm asking the same question ❓⁉
jackrabbit10 · M
stop buying 70.000$ dollar trucks jut to haul groceries.
LamontCranston · M
@jackson55 The conspicuous consumers are probably the least able to afford the good life.
jackson55 · M
@LamontCranston You may be quite right about that ?
Zaphod42 · 51-55, M
anyone can be a success if they just luck out hard enough 👍
22Michelle · 70-79, T
AKA More inherited wealth.
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Khenpal1 · M
mostly no , the debt is too high.
How did Carlin put it? It's called the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it xD
Julien · 36-40, M
It’s a dream , you have to be asleep to believe it
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