Maybe if they weren't terrorists, pedos, homophobes, transphobes, pro-slavery, pro-death, pro-genocide, sexists, racists, republican, murderers, anti-intellectual, pro-gilead, book burning, people burning, human sacrificing, evil worshiping, brainwashing, child abusing, adult abusing, pro-mass murder, pro-gay conversion therapy, pro-torture, pro- greg locke, bibliolaters, pro-mental illness, anti-civil rights, anti-child rights, anti-financial help, anti-human rights, christian nationalists, anti-separation of church and state, ANTI-CHRIST.
Christianity is a bastardized religion. Jesus said he came to fulfil the law not replace it. If he came back Christians would immediately torture and kill him and leave him on the street to rot and piss on the body for blasphemy.
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."
Maybe if Christians fixed themselves first then they could take interact with the rest of the civilized world. Until then they should be confronted at every turn. And all you need to confront them is to speak their own bible back to them.
Each to their own but I do not find any religion acceptable. All religions seem to attract extremists and this then results in conflict, often violent. The world does not need it.
@MrAverage1965 The followers of Christ do not regard it as a religion. Anyone can have "religion", but not everybody has a personal Savior. Religion did not die on the cross to save me from the condemnation that sin placed on all of us. Jesus did. Religion is man-made philosophy and is purely empty without Christ in it. Jesus did not die for religion or religious people. He died for everyone in the world.
@MrAverage1965 Right, and I see no better choice, do you? It's inevitable that we have an appointment with death and our souls are going to go to either Heaven or Hell. This is why we have the Word of God, so that we don't have to guess about these things and how to get to heaven. And this is one choice we cannot afford to get wrong. God is no liar. He is incapable of lying and so I know I can trust His Word. No other god in this universe gave their life to save us from our sins, so we could have eternal life in heaven. If it wasn't for Jesus, we would have all went to hell. There is no greater love than the love of Jesus Christ, whom God the Father approved and appointed to be Savior of the world.
Christianity is unacceptable because their god is equivalent to an abusive husband. However, more than it is unacceptable it's just [i]unbelievable[/i]. Having read the Bible, it comes across as a profoundly [i]human[/i] narrative in scope and message. I found nothing of necessarily divine provenance a i read it and quite a lot of what appeared to be humans making up stories to explain their world and justify their actions. And that's ignoring the interpretations of the bible that put it in direct contradiction of observable science.
As for it being [i]unacceptable[/i]...while i'm sure i'd bend the knee if indeed this god of Abraham showed itself to be real, it's not really a god i'd love or want to follow. Too much wrath, too much cruelty, too much demanding of abject worship. too much murder by his hand or at his order.
And that's not to say that i don't recognize the parts where he does show mercy and love and so on....but if you're married to a man who loves and takes care of you most of the time but every now and then just BEATS THE SHIT out of you and threatens your life....is that a loving, healthy relationship? Is that one you'd want to stay in? That's my view of the god of Abraham.
That doesn't sound right to me. The OT was written long before that and my understanding is that at least the gospels were written within like 70-100 years after Jesus' death. I'd also disagree that they flow seamlessly lol
@Pikachu The oral stories existed but the Bible as a book did not exist until it was written in the 680s-early 690s. Sure, there probably were scattered pieces of scrolls floating around but they were never compiled into a single book until the committee did it in reaction to Uthman's Koran of the 640s.
As I've said before, if a legitimate Bible existed before that time then simply produce a clearly legible copy of it and then we can discuss where to get the best hamburgers.
The committee did an excellent job of tying all of the stories to one or more of the real Ten Commandments. They started at the beginning and ended with their version of the end of the world. Their stories taught complete obedience and total loyalty to the Boss (God, the chief priest. the emperor, the king, the family father). Disobedience to any of them warrants death.
The only major character in the Bible who did exactly as he was told to do without crying and whining was Noah. And when he was done he had a big roast and got falling down drunk.
You should be able to read any passage and tie it to one or more of the real Ten Commandments and explain if the actor is obeying or disobeying the commandment. But, if you don't know that then the stories will not make sense. And, if casually read, very few of the stories are logical because that is not their real purpose.
A better topic would be why do so many people believe in ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish and Arabian religious fairy tales when they have nothing in common with them? Now that is truly illogical behavior.
[quote]but they were never compiled into a single book until the committee did it in reaction to Uthman's Koran of the 640s.[/quote]
Ok yeah, we're on the same page then. So the point i was trying to make stands. These are old stories and/or histories and it would be unwise to assess them based on how a modern historian might relay a historical event. I'm sticking to my guns here. While i agree that the bible is at best historical fiction, I don't think you've given an example that is more readily interpreted as an admission of fabrication than it is simply the author expressing his hope that his readers enjoyed his work.
[quote]The committee did an excellent job of tying all of the stories to one or more of the real Ten Commandments.[/quote]
Oh i see what you mean. Yeah, in that way the bible is well put together.
The Bible written by men who weren’t there to further their own ambitions and to keep people under the thumb. It stole ideas, symbology, holy sites and holidays from other religions and has been a source of violence for two millennia.
I'd support Christianity if it didn't pretend to be this end-all be-all which it very clearly isn't. Some people probably do need religion to keep their mental health in order, just wish it framed itself as a tool to that end rather than some key to eternal life or whatever. Anyone who holds a vague book o' stories as the source of objective morality can find an interpretation that fits whatever they want to be moral.
@BlueVeins The Bible and dreams.. People cannot prove to other people the existence of God nor His will.. But God can prove His existence and affirm his will to people..
@REMsleep I'm a Christian and I have no respect for the religions of others. If I did I would not be a Christian. I respect the person and I accept other people's rights to believe whatever they want to believe but that does not mean I respect what they believe.
@hippyjoe1955 Well respect is merely allowing a person to practice their beliefs in peace and not speaking badly of them or seeking to hurt them or calling them names but I said in the 1st few sentences of my post that real Christians do not respect the validity of other religions. So I offer all decent people my respect but I do not believe that all religions are valid. I think we agree.
@REMsleep As a Christian I don't respect any other religions WITH CAUSE! You can't hold all religions to be equal when they are all saying something different. It doesn't work that way. That isn't tolerance that is insanity. Either one is true and all the others are false or none of them are true including the believe than none of them are true.
As a Christian of course Christianity is very acceptable.. High Moral standards coupled with a loving . forgiving solution to our inability to live up to those High standards..
I lost it at their handling of the child sex abuse cases. I accept that there are bad apples in any group but there is no excuse for moving known abusers from location to location to abuse again. Their mantra of protecting the church from scandal for the greater good is twisted.
Because God is no liar. He is incapable of lying and so I know I can trust His Word. No other god in this universe gave their life to save us from our sins, so we could have eternal life in heaven. If it wasn't for Jesus, we would have all went to hell. There is no greater love than the love of Jesus Christ. Whom God the Father approved and appointed to be Savior of the world. But the followers of Christ do not regard it as a religion. Anyone can have "religion", but not everybody has a personal Savior. Religion did not die on the cross to save me from the condemnation that sin placed on all of us. Jesus did. Religion is man-made philosophy and is purely empty without Christ in it.
I have no issue with any religion per se. I have an issue with all religions being so 'organised' and working on fear based punishments and I can't wrap my mind around so many contradictions. I cannot imagine any divine being saying some of those things .... I can imagine human minds perceiving it with their limitations and adding their own need for control to the mix.
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I don't know that it's not. But in general I'm not too big on religious beliefs that condemn a huge portion of the population to eternal torment for not believing the right thing. Religions with a concept of "exclusivity" don't have a lot of appeal to me, even if that is the opposite intended effect of that kind of teaching.
I like to embrace reality and consider the evidence Are there any anecdotal magical claims being made? My adage is: If it’s not science, it’s superstition.
@PiecingBabyFaceTogether In all fairness, Christianity and Islamic beliefs have [u]nothing[/u] in common. No other god in this universe gave their life to save us from our sins, so we could have eternal life in heaven. If it wasn't for Jesus, we would have all went to hell. There is no greater love than the love of Jesus Christ, whom God the Father approved and appointed to be Savior of the world. But the followers of Christ do not regard it as a religion. Anyone can have "religion", but not everybody has a personal Savior. Religion did not die on the cross to save me from the condemnation that sin placed on all of us. Jesus did. Religion is man-made philosophy and is purely empty without Christ in it. Jesus did not die for religion or religious people. He died for everyone in the world.
My objection isn't to christianity [i]per se[/i], it's the arrogance of its members. They demand respect for their beliefs yet show contempt for others' beliefs. They try to force their beliefs onto everyone, dictating how we live our lives. If they want to believe in fairy tales, that's fine by me so long as they don't harrass me with them.
@Spunkylama I don't care what you believe. Your belief is your religion. Sorry if you don't understand the subtleties of the English language but what I said is factually true.
Christianity is the least of the worlds problems right now.. looks like it needs more of it right now. you moral less ethic less heathens.. fyi. I’m not religious 🕺
It doesn’t make sense. I have no faith in it to suspend disbelief. If there is good and evil in this world and God created everything then he created child rape, torture, cancer, etc. plus the whole Jesus dying for sins doesn’t make sense.
@DailyFlash [quote]If there is good and evil in this world and God created everything then he created child rape, torture, cancer, etc. plus the whole Jesus dying for sins doesn’t make sense.[/quote]
Dear man, you've got that concept all wrong. The bible doesn't say nor agree with that. It doesn't make sense to you because you have not heard the whole story. Jesus is perfect, sinless, incapable of sending or making errors.
In the beginning, God made everything perfect, just the way he wanted it for his creation. Why would a loving God create evil? That would make him evil and he is not. The Bible says that God did not create evil, but that evil was found in the heart of men. There's a big difference. Man makes up his own choices and he chose to do evil. God did not force him to. Man did that on his own free will. So we cannot blame God for what evil men do. Man brought evil into this world and that's exactly why we see everything is so messed up and Evil. It was man that messed the world up, not God. He wanted us to have a beautiful, sinless world. But man, even knowing right from wrong, decided to do evil things in this world. God does not interfere with choice. He did not make us to be robots. So whatever we reap, we sow.
When man brought sin into this world, it was Jesus who then had to bail us out by dying on the cross, buying our pardon for sin. Here's the deal. Send always keeps us separated from our holy Heavenly Father. If God the Father could look upon sin, he would not be holy anymore and we could not call his kingdom, Heaven. It would be tainted with sin. And now that man's sins separated him from God the Father, Jesus had to step in as Mediator between God the Father and mankind. Because in the spirit realm, there is no pardon of sins without the shedding of blood. Innocent blood like Jesus's. Pure sacrifice not tainted with sin, so that's why man cannot save himself because he is full of sin. But whosoever comes to Jesus and ask him to save them from the condemnation that sin placed on man, Jesus promised to forgive them of their sins and that brings them back into right standing and fellowship with God the Father, forever. If a person leaves their soul to chance, and does nothing about their sinful condition before the Lord, their sins shall keep them separated from God. Those who Curse God and mock him, shall not see the kingdom of heaven because their sins are not forgiven. They have chosen to ignore and reject the very salvation that Jesus wants to provide us. That personal choice is what sends man to hell, not God. He did not make that decision for them. So when we see all this evil in the world, that just tells us [b]why[/b] we need Jesus as our Savior.
@LadyGrace I don’t want to talk you out of your faith. If God made everything, that’s everything - Past, Present, Future. It doesn’t make logical sense. But if it makes sense in your heart and brings meaning to your life, bringing you joy then go for it. Who am I to say that’s wrong.
@DailyFlash No one could talk me out of my faith in the Lord. God did make everything but His Word also says that He did not make evil nor man to sin. That's obvious and common sense. But thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I became a Christian in part because science showed me that the Christian genesis account was more believable than the Darwin Genesis account or the Big Bang genesis account. After I started to doubt my atheism I was led by Jesus into a relationship with Him.
The bible is created by a bunch of males that want to control EVERYTHING!!! thats all.... I mean if you really want to go to heaven(if there is one) just be a nice person and you will probably be fine in whatever after life you choose.
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It's neither acceptable nor unacceptable to me personally. I reject it, but it also makes things make sense. The woe it has caused is arguably greater than the benefits it has bestowed imo.
If people want to believe in fairy tale, they're free to do so. Just don't try to force those beliefs on to the rest of us and especially don't try to dictate how we choose to live our lives.
All religions are the same respect others religions in case Want to be respected ..butt..won't happen as humans our own characteristics would spoil even eden
For me, they are no more or less acceptable than any of the other mainstream religions out there, as long as they keep their moralism to themselves. I believe they have to right to practice their religion but not to try and make the rest of us live by their values as is being attempted now by Evangelical Christians attempting to enact Laws that go along with their values and the rest of us be damned.
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My religion honors a lot of ideas Christians would like. We've done away with God, Jesus and heaven though.
@LadyGrace Those that don't feel we must abandon reason in order to make the reasonable choice will choose as I have. I advise exploring your options instead of outright dismissing them for a parasitic story of magic requiring little intelligent thought. Or do as you please.
