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BlueVeins · 22-25
I'd support Christianity if it didn't pretend to be this end-all be-all which it very clearly isn't. Some people probably do need religion to keep their mental health in order, just wish it framed itself as a tool to that end rather than some key to eternal life or whatever. Anyone who holds a vague book o' stories as the source of objective morality can find an interpretation that fits whatever they want to be moral.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@BlueVeins You are viewing Christianity and other religions as tools for mental health or philosophies to live by.
As an outsider to Christianity (most other religions fall under the same concept) perhaps it could easily be seen that way.
But looking at this from the perspective of any person that believes that the supreme deity has provided a path for all to live by it wouldn't be reasonable for anyone that truly believes this to not " pretend" as you quite rudely put this (they aren't pretending) that the message that they have received is the end all be all.
They are not practicing only a mental health skill. They are believing in the inspired message of God's prophets who explain the nature of our being and the purpose for life.
As an outsider to Christianity (most other religions fall under the same concept) perhaps it could easily be seen that way.
But looking at this from the perspective of any person that believes that the supreme deity has provided a path for all to live by it wouldn't be reasonable for anyone that truly believes this to not " pretend" as you quite rudely put this (they aren't pretending) that the message that they have received is the end all be all.
They are not practicing only a mental health skill. They are believing in the inspired message of God's prophets who explain the nature of our being and the purpose for life.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@REMsleep This is purely circular reasoning, of course if someone believes that Christianity is a facet of objective reality, then they'll believe that Christianity is a facet of objective reality. My point is that they shouldn't believe that because it has no basis in empirical evidence and is silly.
[quote]" pretend" as you quite rudely put this (they aren't pretending)[/quote]
You mean 'it,' right? Christianity is singular, not plural.
[quote]" pretend" as you quite rudely put this (they aren't pretending)[/quote]
You mean 'it,' right? Christianity is singular, not plural.
REMsleep · 41-45, F
@BlueVeins I was referring to anyone who believes in any exclusive faith which contradicts other faiths.
It is arrogant to say what someone shouldn't believe based on the evidence that you have.
You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.
Isin't this what you have insinuated that you do not like about Christians? ( that they pretend to have end all be all info?)
My reasoning was not circular. I am asking why anyone who believes would frame their belief system as only a tool as you put it?
That would not be a belief system if they did not believe.
You also would not be a non believer if you accept a religious belief system as valid.
It is arrogant to say what someone shouldn't believe based on the evidence that you have.
You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.
Isin't this what you have insinuated that you do not like about Christians? ( that they pretend to have end all be all info?)
My reasoning was not circular. I am asking why anyone who believes would frame their belief system as only a tool as you put it?
That would not be a belief system if they did not believe.
You also would not be a non believer if you accept a religious belief system as valid.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@REMsleep[quote]It is arrogant to say what someone shouldn't believe based on the evidence that you have.
You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.[/quote]
That's silly, there's such a thing as objective reality. If someone believes something that's completely baseless, you're more than free to call them out on it. Doesn't matter if it's "personal spirituality," or whatever buzzwords you try and use to justify it.
[quote]You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.
Isin't this what you have insinuated that you do not like about Christians? ( that they pretend to have end all be all info?)[/quote]
No, I said [i]Christianity[/i] tends to pretend to be the end-all be-all, not that Christians pretend that. Some Christians genuinely erroneously believes that, some don't.
[quote]My reasoning was not circular. I am asking why anyone who believes would frame their belief system as only a tool as you put it?[/quote]
Likewise, not what I said. I said that [i]Christianity[/i] frames should frame itself as a tool to help people's mental health. I'm not saying that ppl who believe in Christianity as a facet of objective reality should frame their belief as a tool; I'm saying that people shouldn't believe in Christianity as a facet of objective reality.
You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.[/quote]
That's silly, there's such a thing as objective reality. If someone believes something that's completely baseless, you're more than free to call them out on it. Doesn't matter if it's "personal spirituality," or whatever buzzwords you try and use to justify it.
[quote]You can disagree or think that its foolish or incorrect but it crosses a line to tell others what they should not believe in terms of personal spirituality.
Isin't this what you have insinuated that you do not like about Christians? ( that they pretend to have end all be all info?)[/quote]
No, I said [i]Christianity[/i] tends to pretend to be the end-all be-all, not that Christians pretend that. Some Christians genuinely erroneously believes that, some don't.
[quote]My reasoning was not circular. I am asking why anyone who believes would frame their belief system as only a tool as you put it?[/quote]
Likewise, not what I said. I said that [i]Christianity[/i] frames should frame itself as a tool to help people's mental health. I'm not saying that ppl who believe in Christianity as a facet of objective reality should frame their belief as a tool; I'm saying that people shouldn't believe in Christianity as a facet of objective reality.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins I am a Christian and i am not pretending when i say that Jesus is the Only Way to eternal life in Gods perfect eternal existence... I say it because i believe it.. I am not faking anything..
If people don't actually believe it then they are simply not Christians. No matter what they call themnselves..
If people don't actually believe it then they are simply not Christians. No matter what they call themnselves..