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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn Can you point to anything that is not historically accurate in the Bible?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn So can you stick to the topic? What in the Bible can be proven to be historically inaccurate?
Ceinwyn · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 Okay.
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)
The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)
Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)
Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)
Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.
Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.
The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?
No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.
Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.
Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.
Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.
Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).
Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.
Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.
The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.
The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.
Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.
Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.
David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).
David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).
Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.
Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.
Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square mile for a city.
Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.
Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28
Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.
Mordecai became prime minister to Xerxes (Ahasuerus), who reigned 485-465 BC. But Mordecai had come to Babylon in 596 BC with Jehoiachin (Esther 2:5-6).
The office of "High priest" of Mark 2:26 did not exist in David's day.
There is no mountain from which one can see all the kingdoms of the world (Matt 4:8, Luke 4:5).
Matt 2:1 says Jesus was born in the reign of Herod, who died 4 BC. Luke 2:2 says he was born during Quirinus' governorship of Syria, which began 6 AD.
Thieves were never punished by crucifixion (Matt 27:38, 44).
No crucifixion would have been performed on the eve of Passover.
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of darkness covering the earth at the crucifixion (Matt 27:35, Luke 23:44).
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of the slaughter of the innocents by Herod (Matt 2:16-18). Josephus, whose history contains much criticism of Herod, does not mention it.
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of the graves opening and the dead appearing to many at the crucifixion (Matt 27:52-53).
in Mark 7, Jesus quotes the septuigant while arguing with the pharisees, in a portion of the old testament (Isaiah 29:13) that reads drastically differently from the Hebrew text. A Palestinian reading from a Greek text that contradicts the Hebrew to orthodox Jews is unusual to say the least.
In Mark 10:12 Jesus tells Palestinian listeners that a wife who puts away her husband commits adultery, this would have been meaningless to Palestinian listeners where only men could divorce.
In Mark 5:13 Jesus casts out devils and forces them into 2,000 swine who then run down into the sea and are drowned, this is said to have occured in Garasenes - 31 miles from the sea. In Matthew, which was written later, this is changed to Gadara which is much more feasible.
The Tigris and Euphrates are reported in Genesis before and after the flood, apparently unaffected by the massive destruction.
The use of the Tigris and Euphrates by Egyptian civilization pre and post-flood.
River Gihon could not possibly flow from Mesopotamia and encompass Ethiopia (Gen 2:13)
The name Babel does not come from the Hebrew word 'balbal' or 'confuse' but from the babylonian 'babili' or 'gate of God' which is a translation of the original Sumerian name Ka-dimirra. (Gen 11:9)
Ur was not a Chaldean city until 1000 years after Abraham (Gen 11:28, 15:7)
Abraham pursued enemies to 'Dan' (Gen 14:14). That name was not used geographically until after the conquest (Judge 18:29)
Gen 36:31, telling of Jacob and Esau, lists kings of Edom "before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." This must have been written hundreds of years later, after Israel had kings.
Joseph tells Pharaoh he comes from the "land of the Hebrews" (Gen 40:15). There was no such land until after the conquest under Joshua.
The Egyptian princess names the baby she finds "Moses" because she "drew him out" of the water (Heb meshethi). Why would she make a pun in Hebrew (Ex 2:10)?
No Egyptian record exists mentioning Moses or his devastation of Egypt.
Moses refers to "Palestine" (Ex 15:14). No such name was in use then.
Law of Moses is the "statutes of God and his laws" (Ex 18:26), but it closely mirrors the Code of Hammurabi, which was penned 1800 BC, hundreds of years before Moses.
Priests are mentioned at Ex 19:22-24, but they are not provided for until Ex 28:1.
Moses mentions Rabbath, where Og's bedstead is located (Deut3:11). Moses could not have any knowledge of Rabbath,which was not captured by the Hebrews until David's time,500 years later (2 Sam 12:26).
Jericho and Ai (Josh 8) were both ancient ruins at the time of the conquest of Canaan, according to archaeologists. Jericho's walls were destroyed centuries before Joshua.
Kings are referred to at Deut 17:17-19, before Israel had kings.
The Wilderness is viewed as history at Num 15:32, showing that Numbers was written later.
The Sabbath law was unknown when the man gathered sticks at Num 15:32-34.
Book of Joshua refers to Book of Jasher in the past, mentioned at 2 Sam 1:18, therefore Joshua must be post-David.
Captivity is mentioned at Judg 18:30, making it post-Exile.
David took Goliath's head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54). But Jerusalem was not captured until 7 years after David became king (2 Sam 5).
David paid 600 shekels of gold for the threshing floor (1 Chron21:22-25). But shekels of gold were not yet used in business transactions (this is the only use of the term in the OT).
Psalm 18:6 mentions the temple, thus cannot be by David.
Defeat of Sennacherib did not happen at Jerusalem, but at Pelusium, near Egypt, and Jews were not involved, contrary to 2 Kings 19.
Ninevah was so large it took three days to cross, i.e. about 60 miles (Jonah 3:3-4). Yet it had only 120,000 inhabitants, making a population density of of about 42 people per square mile for a city.
Daniel's account of Nebuchadnezzar and Belshazzar is historically inaccurate; Nebuchadnezzar was never mad. Belshazzar, whom he says was king, was never king, but only regent. Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar, but of Nabo-nidus. Babylon was not conquered by Darius the Mede, but by Cyrus the Great, in 539 BC (Dan 5:31). Darius the Mede is unknown to history.
Chronology of the empires of the Medes and Persians is historically incorrect in Isa 13:17, 21:2, Jer 51:11, 28
Esther (and all the characters in the Book of Esther except Ahasuerus [= Xerxes]) is unknown to history, even though itclaims that its events are "written in the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia" (Est 10:2). The Book of Esther is not quoted by any pre-Christian writer, nor mentioned in NT, nor quoted by early Christian fathers.
Mordecai became prime minister to Xerxes (Ahasuerus), who reigned 485-465 BC. But Mordecai had come to Babylon in 596 BC with Jehoiachin (Esther 2:5-6).
The office of "High priest" of Mark 2:26 did not exist in David's day.
There is no mountain from which one can see all the kingdoms of the world (Matt 4:8, Luke 4:5).
Matt 2:1 says Jesus was born in the reign of Herod, who died 4 BC. Luke 2:2 says he was born during Quirinus' governorship of Syria, which began 6 AD.
Thieves were never punished by crucifixion (Matt 27:38, 44).
No crucifixion would have been performed on the eve of Passover.
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of darkness covering the earth at the crucifixion (Matt 27:35, Luke 23:44).
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of the slaughter of the innocents by Herod (Matt 2:16-18). Josephus, whose history contains much criticism of Herod, does not mention it.
There is no contemporary historical confirmation of the graves opening and the dead appearing to many at the crucifixion (Matt 27:52-53).
in Mark 7, Jesus quotes the septuigant while arguing with the pharisees, in a portion of the old testament (Isaiah 29:13) that reads drastically differently from the Hebrew text. A Palestinian reading from a Greek text that contradicts the Hebrew to orthodox Jews is unusual to say the least.
In Mark 10:12 Jesus tells Palestinian listeners that a wife who puts away her husband commits adultery, this would have been meaningless to Palestinian listeners where only men could divorce.
In Mark 5:13 Jesus casts out devils and forces them into 2,000 swine who then run down into the sea and are drowned, this is said to have occured in Garasenes - 31 miles from the sea. In Matthew, which was written later, this is changed to Gadara which is much more feasible.
The Tigris and Euphrates are reported in Genesis before and after the flood, apparently unaffected by the massive destruction.
The use of the Tigris and Euphrates by Egyptian civilization pre and post-flood.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn Too funny. You don't even know that everyone of your objections have been proven false. What I find most funny is your thinking that prediluvian and postdiluvian are the same.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn You haven't made anything worthy of responding to. What silliness that you think Ur didn't exist. Here is a small clue. Ur did exist then but the Chaldeans didn't.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Ceinwyn What insults. You got suckered by a website. The facts are not in your favor. Ur existed. Gihon can not be identified as the geography changed during the time of the flood. Gihon simply means gushing forth. There is the Gihon spring in Jerusalem. Same river that the Genesis writer was referring to? Not likely.
@hippyjoe1955 So nowhere near Ethiopia
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BoredDarkLord We have no idea what prediluvian earth/geography looked like. Some have speculated that prediluvian was pangea and postdiluvian is what we now observe. Believe it or not we can't find Eden either.
@hippyjoe1955 Bullshit
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Pangea was Eden, one firmament on the water. One place where all life existed plant and animal, the flood separated it all.