Why is it mostly moderates calling for Biden to step aside, whereas the left wing mostly supports him continuing the race?

@Burnley123 I'm not sure they can, from a purely legal standpoint, but I may be wrong. You can just endorse another candidate if you lose a primary (as Sanders did in 2020, for instance), but not transfer the campaign funds, as far as I know.

I think Americans need to figure out that they're voting for a cabinet and not the president alone, which is already hard to do on non-presidential systems, because the average politically uneducated person sees the party leader and assumes s/he's some sort of king once the party is elected (which is also the reason why I'm against Meloni's proposal of making the PM directly eligible here, but I'm digressing).

@Elessar I've said all I want to on this.

@Burnley123 It's fine, I wasn't trying to start a debate on the matter. I don't even have a final position on the issue, seems a lose-lose situation to me.

@ChipmunkErnie That’s what’s being reported, I just read it in an article in an article in New York Magazine; furthermore, the Squad is all behind Biden’s candidacy with AOC saying essentially Biden’s our candidate and that’s final. The congressmen asking Biden to step aside are mostly names I’ve never heard of (probably because they’re moderates from swing districts that haven’t been in Congress very long). One name I do recognize is moderate, Seth Moulton (D-MA). The first to speak up was Lloyd Doggett (D-TX), and you figure it’s probably only moderate Democrats that can win elections in southern states like Texas. Also, the congressman that ran against Biden in the primaries was moderate Representative Dean Phillips (D-MN).

@Theyitis Biden hasn't lost any support since the debate. Switching now would be based on panic over some unknown, imaginary group of voters who supposedly won't vote for Biden now. Any new candidate will immediately have a microscope turned on them, and won't have the entire primary season to counter the fire hose of lies the Trump campaign will direct at them.

Newsom: ate at French Laundry during COVID
Whitmer: imposed harsh COVID restrictions
Shapiro: Jewish, therefore a Zionist who wants to murder Palestinian kids for fun
Warnock: a radical Black supremacist
Klobuchar: mean to her staff
Buttigieg: married to a man

Did I forget anyone?

The Democrats need to focus on winning a House majority to block Trump if he wins. A Senate majority would also help prevent him from seating more fascist judges like Matthew Kaczmaryk.

@LeopoldBloom Biden has lost support since the debate. At the time of the debate he trailed Trump in the RCP polling average by about one point. He now trails Trump in the RCP polling average by almost three points. Switching now would be an appropriate response to voters’ number one concern, which Democrats have been ignoring up to this point. Polls show that voters are more concerned about Biden’s age than they are about Trump’s felonies. Imagine if the Democratic nominee was young. Suddenly the talk would be of Trump’s cognitive decline and his age and fitness to serve another term.

Sure, any new candidate would come with some baggage because nobody’s perfect, but none of them would carry the overwhelming perception that they’re too physically and mentally feeble to serve for four years. Probably none would carry any baggage deemed worse than Trump’s felonies! Trump is a very weak candidate, but Biden can’t beat him.

Democrats do need to focus also on congressional majorities and Biden would be a drag at the top of the ticket.

@Theyitis I still think it's too late. But if Trump drops out, then so should Biden.

@HootyTheNightOwl

@Dumbman Ooh, lookie, Mr. Bone-Spurs...

@pdxlinux For all the wrong reasons you are right. Either way the country doesnt have a future that the voters expect..😷

@Theyitis
Which also shows Convicted Felon Trump, leading Biden by 2 point (47-45).

@Northwest The aggregate polling hasn't changed. It didn't change when Trump was convicted, either. So we can conclude that the people saying they'll vote for them now aren't changing their minds no matter what. The question is who the undecideds pick and where the people who inevitably abandon the third party candidates go.

@mysteryespresso

@LeopoldBloom Right cuz what will a vote for the Dems get me...

MORE illegal immigrants pouring over our border
Possible hot war with Russia, with China next
A genocide of the Palestinians
An utter destruction of the gender/sex differences between men and women.
Spending more money than they take in, and kicking that debt can down the road.

@SumKindaMunster If you care about the Palestinians, at least Biden is trying to influence Netanyahu to back off. Trump will tell him to finish the job as fast as possible and make sure he has the means to do it.

It's weird how conservatives blame Democrats for spending money when Republicans run bigger deficits. Trump's budget deficit was the largest in history.

The rest of your fears are just OANN and Newsmax propaganda.

Why would I vote for the Republicans, and get:

Abortion outlawed nationwide
Gratuitous oppression of LGBTQ
Higher taxes on the middle class and tax cuts for the wealthy
Destruction of the environment
Idiotic tariffs that will have no effect other than making goods more expensive
Likely war with China over Taiwan
Escalation of antisemitism

@LeopoldBloom I don't care about the Palestinians.

While I think abortion should be legal for a period of time, it's not something that's going to influence my vote.
Don't care about LGBTQA etc etc. Gay marriage is legal.
My taxes were not impacted significantly by either the Trump or Biden administration. The inflation we experienced 2 years ago was brutal though.
Hm, yes and what have the Democrats done for the environment? Been 40 years and everything I am seeing is the climate is getting worse. Maybe its time to stop chasing the BRICS countries around for treaties they have no intention of honoring. Might be time to start cloud seeding and blocking the sun over the Pacific and Atlantic.
I don't care about tarriffs, these had no impact on me during the first Trump administration.
Well it seems no matter who we choose, war with China is on the menu.
You really think antisemitism would increase??? Really? You think Trump and Mike Johnson are going to allow colleges to be overrun with protestors threatening Jews?

As a Jew and supporter of Israel, Trump should be your guy. Although you've indicated that abortion is the number 1 thing you care about, so maybe you want to stick with the Dems...

@MartinII Why would they want to see Trump win?

@Theyitis Because they would expect the awfulness of a Trump presidency (as they would see it) to play into the hands of the extreme left and strengthen their position for next time - as to some extent the first Trump presidency did.

@MartinII That's accelerationism. People said the same thing about George W. Bush, that electing him would be so horrible, the people would have no choice but to rise up in revolution and establish a socialist worker's paradise.

These people are delusional. If there is a revolution in this country and the federal government collapses, it will be like Syria on steroids - small fiefdoms ruled by local warlords.

@SomeMichGuy “Mostly” is not a meaningless word, nor does it mean both sides are about even. It means there may be some exceptions to the rule, but the vast majority of progressives support Biden’s candidacy, whereas the vast majority of moderates want him to step aside.

@Theyitis And my answer still is sound.

@mysteryespresso I saw a poll that showed most Democratic voters want Biden to step aside by a margin of 56%-42%. So we’re divided, but those voters thinking like me are significantly more common at the moment. Unfortunately, the party elites who would potentially have the influence to convince Biden to step aside are either in the “ridin’ with Biden” camp or are too afraid to speak up.

@Theyitis Most voters want Trump to step aside too.

@LeopoldBloom I hope you are right. I fear you are not

@LeopoldBloom And just so you know: Republicans have stopped doing Biden attack adds and European policy makers dre preparing for a Trump Presidency.

@Burnley123 Also, big dollar donors to the Biden campaign contributed substantially less in June than they did in May. We may also see the DNC shift money from the presidential race to congressional ones. If the Democrats can win a House majority, all Trump will be able to do in a second term is appoint judges.

@Jimbo1 Are you saying there are people in the democrat party worth their salt?🤣
You better take a closer look.