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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I follow some American leftist YouTubers and writers.
They all want Biden to step down. Not because of Gaza (though they are correctly unhappy with him for that) but because they don't want trump to win.
From reading the comments on here: there are also moderates who want him to step aside. Though I've seen people use arguments to defend Biden.
It's a strategic issue and so it cuts across ideological lines.
They all want Biden to step down. Not because of Gaza (though they are correctly unhappy with him for that) but because they don't want trump to win.
From reading the comments on here: there are also moderates who want him to step aside. Though I've seen people use arguments to defend Biden.
It's a strategic issue and so it cuts across ideological lines.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 I'm not sure they can, from a purely legal standpoint, but I may be wrong. You can just endorse another candidate if you lose a primary (as Sanders did in 2020, for instance), but not transfer the campaign funds, as far as I know.
I think Americans need to figure out that they're voting for a cabinet and not the president alone, which is already hard to do on non-presidential systems, because the average politically uneducated person sees the party leader and assumes s/he's some sort of king once the party is elected (which is also the reason why I'm against Meloni's proposal of making the PM directly eligible here, but I'm digressing).
I think Americans need to figure out that they're voting for a cabinet and not the president alone, which is already hard to do on non-presidential systems, because the average politically uneducated person sees the party leader and assumes s/he's some sort of king once the party is elected (which is also the reason why I'm against Meloni's proposal of making the PM directly eligible here, but I'm digressing).
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Elessar I've said all I want to on this.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 It's fine, I wasn't trying to start a debate on the matter. I don't even have a final position on the issue, seems a lose-lose situation to me.
Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M
The Democrats had been very successful acting as a unified front. The easy shift in leadership from Pelosi to Jeffries is a perfect example. The left of the party have played along as well. Now there is a schism. Look at the heated and personal rhetoric below. It's sad. The "coalition" against Trump that got Biden elected is now fractured.
There is no path for Biden to do better. He can't improve his campaigning, and his record does not resonate with voters. How anyone thinks he has a chance to beat Trump at this point is unfathomable. This is when you throw a Hail Mary because a slim chance is better than no chance.
There is no path for Biden to do better. He can't improve his campaigning, and his record does not resonate with voters. How anyone thinks he has a chance to beat Trump at this point is unfathomable. This is when you throw a Hail Mary because a slim chance is better than no chance.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Not sure that's the situation at all.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@ChipmunkErnie That’s what’s being reported, I just read it in an article in an article in New York Magazine; furthermore, the Squad is all behind Biden’s candidacy with AOC saying essentially Biden’s our candidate and that’s final. The congressmen asking Biden to step aside are mostly names I’ve never heard of (probably because they’re moderates from swing districts that haven’t been in Congress very long). One name I do recognize is moderate, Seth Moulton (D-MA). The first to speak up was Lloyd Doggett (D-TX), and you figure it’s probably only moderate Democrats that can win elections in southern states like Texas. Also, the congressman that ran against Biden in the primaries was moderate Representative Dean Phillips (D-MN).
GlitterEater · 36-40, F
Leftists have never like Biden.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I think because the left is more heavily indoctrinated with anti Trump propaganda and are feeling much more emotional about the prospect of Biden losing to Trump.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Theyitis Biden hasn't lost any support since the debate. Switching now would be based on panic over some unknown, imaginary group of voters who supposedly won't vote for Biden now. Any new candidate will immediately have a microscope turned on them, and won't have the entire primary season to counter the fire hose of lies the Trump campaign will direct at them.
Newsom: ate at French Laundry during COVID
Whitmer: imposed harsh COVID restrictions
Shapiro: Jewish, therefore a Zionist who wants to murder Palestinian kids for fun
Warnock: a radical Black supremacist
Klobuchar: mean to her staff
Buttigieg: married to a man
Did I forget anyone?
The Democrats need to focus on winning a House majority to block Trump if he wins. A Senate majority would also help prevent him from seating more fascist judges like Matthew Kaczmaryk.
Newsom: ate at French Laundry during COVID
Whitmer: imposed harsh COVID restrictions
Shapiro: Jewish, therefore a Zionist who wants to murder Palestinian kids for fun
Warnock: a radical Black supremacist
Klobuchar: mean to her staff
Buttigieg: married to a man
Did I forget anyone?
The Democrats need to focus on winning a House majority to block Trump if he wins. A Senate majority would also help prevent him from seating more fascist judges like Matthew Kaczmaryk.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@LeopoldBloom Biden has lost support since the debate. At the time of the debate he trailed Trump in the RCP polling average by about one point. He now trails Trump in the RCP polling average by almost three points. Switching now would be an appropriate response to voters’ number one concern, which Democrats have been ignoring up to this point. Polls show that voters are more concerned about Biden’s age than they are about Trump’s felonies. Imagine if the Democratic nominee was young. Suddenly the talk would be of Trump’s cognitive decline and his age and fitness to serve another term.
Sure, any new candidate would come with some baggage because nobody’s perfect, but none of them would carry the overwhelming perception that they’re too physically and mentally feeble to serve for four years. Probably none would carry any baggage deemed worse than Trump’s felonies! Trump is a very weak candidate, but Biden can’t beat him.
Democrats do need to focus also on congressional majorities and Biden would be a drag at the top of the ticket.
Sure, any new candidate would come with some baggage because nobody’s perfect, but none of them would carry the overwhelming perception that they’re too physically and mentally feeble to serve for four years. Probably none would carry any baggage deemed worse than Trump’s felonies! Trump is a very weak candidate, but Biden can’t beat him.
Democrats do need to focus also on congressional majorities and Biden would be a drag at the top of the ticket.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Theyitis I still think it's too late. But if Trump drops out, then so should Biden.
I'm not sure that your political alignment has anything to do with it. I'm British, so it makes no difference to me who the President is.
The question I have is:- At which point do you consider a President to be mentally incompetent??? I look at both Trump and Biden - the two candidates you have to choose between and I wonder which of the two has the least cognitive decline???
Neither of them seem to even know what day of the week it is, never mind what the national defense policy is. Trump rewrites the geography of America to suit himself... Biden has no clue who he's talking to... when do you say "We want a President who is capable of understanding what they're agreeing to???
Am I the only one who can see just how dangerous it could be to have someone who lacks the mental capacity in possession of nuclear weaponry that has the potential to make Chernobyl look like a fire pit in your back garden???
The question I have is:- At which point do you consider a President to be mentally incompetent??? I look at both Trump and Biden - the two candidates you have to choose between and I wonder which of the two has the least cognitive decline???
Neither of them seem to even know what day of the week it is, never mind what the national defense policy is. Trump rewrites the geography of America to suit himself... Biden has no clue who he's talking to... when do you say "We want a President who is capable of understanding what they're agreeing to???
Am I the only one who can see just how dangerous it could be to have someone who lacks the mental capacity in possession of nuclear weaponry that has the potential to make Chernobyl look like a fire pit in your back garden???
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
It's mostly cry-babies who want him to step aside and sadly they seem to be concentrated in the moderate camp. They are afraid, they are in a panic, and their fear is pushing them to reject logic and reason. If Hillary Clinton wasn't able to do any better than Biden is doing, why do they think Harris will? If Nikki Haley wasn't able to give a knock-out punch why are they literally banking on someone other than the guy who knocked him down to do it? Their fears don't stand up to reason.
Sadly, their voices are getting louder and their fears are becoming in-grown. So, like "the base" they are now a lost cause. Hopefully, they will still show up to vote and hopefully Biden will remain steadfast and stay in for the win. He is the only one who can win now. The time to make a different decision has long passed. Biden is exactly the same poor public speaker who mixes up names as when the majority of Democrats voted for him. It's too bad that some cry-baby, malcontent Democrats want to abandon democracy now.
Sadly, their voices are getting louder and their fears are becoming in-grown. So, like "the base" they are now a lost cause. Hopefully, they will still show up to vote and hopefully Biden will remain steadfast and stay in for the win. He is the only one who can win now. The time to make a different decision has long passed. Biden is exactly the same poor public speaker who mixes up names as when the majority of Democrats voted for him. It's too bad that some cry-baby, malcontent Democrats want to abandon democracy now.
pdxlinux · 41-45, M
simple: politics. only naive people believe the the Dem party has any interest in the future of the country or any interest in accomplishing any progress towards any of the country's goals. remember ... orange man bad.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@pdxlinux For all the wrong reasons you are right. Either way the country doesnt have a future that the voters expect..😷
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Northwest · M
Huh? the left wing is absolutely not going to vote for Biden. Remember Gaza? Biden already lost in some of the battleground states, including Michigan, on this issue alone.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Northwest The aggregate polling hasn't changed. It didn't change when Trump was convicted, either. So we can conclude that the people saying they'll vote for them now aren't changing their minds no matter what. The question is who the undecideds pick and where the people who inevitably abandon the third party candidates go.
Sometimes I feel Trump is too smart for 80 year old guy. Either that or competition is non existent
LeopoldBloom · M
Because the progressives understand that it’s too late to find a replacement, and if Biden can’t beat Trump, no other Democrat can.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom Right cuz what will a vote for the Dems get me...
MORE illegal immigrants pouring over our border
Possible hot war with Russia, with China next
A genocide of the Palestinians
An utter destruction of the gender/sex differences between men and women.
Spending more money than they take in, and kicking that debt can down the road.
MORE illegal immigrants pouring over our border
Possible hot war with Russia, with China next
A genocide of the Palestinians
An utter destruction of the gender/sex differences between men and women.
Spending more money than they take in, and kicking that debt can down the road.
LeopoldBloom · M
@SumKindaMunster If you care about the Palestinians, at least Biden is trying to influence Netanyahu to back off. Trump will tell him to finish the job as fast as possible and make sure he has the means to do it.
It's weird how conservatives blame Democrats for spending money when Republicans run bigger deficits. Trump's budget deficit was the largest in history.
The rest of your fears are just OANN and Newsmax propaganda.
Why would I vote for the Republicans, and get:
Abortion outlawed nationwide
Gratuitous oppression of LGBTQ
Higher taxes on the middle class and tax cuts for the wealthy
Destruction of the environment
Idiotic tariffs that will have no effect other than making goods more expensive
Likely war with China over Taiwan
Escalation of antisemitism
It's weird how conservatives blame Democrats for spending money when Republicans run bigger deficits. Trump's budget deficit was the largest in history.
The rest of your fears are just OANN and Newsmax propaganda.
Why would I vote for the Republicans, and get:
Abortion outlawed nationwide
Gratuitous oppression of LGBTQ
Higher taxes on the middle class and tax cuts for the wealthy
Destruction of the environment
Idiotic tariffs that will have no effect other than making goods more expensive
Likely war with China over Taiwan
Escalation of antisemitism
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom I don't care about the Palestinians.
While I think abortion should be legal for a period of time, it's not something that's going to influence my vote.
Don't care about LGBTQA etc etc. Gay marriage is legal.
My taxes were not impacted significantly by either the Trump or Biden administration. The inflation we experienced 2 years ago was brutal though.
Hm, yes and what have the Democrats done for the environment? Been 40 years and everything I am seeing is the climate is getting worse. Maybe its time to stop chasing the BRICS countries around for treaties they have no intention of honoring. Might be time to start cloud seeding and blocking the sun over the Pacific and Atlantic.
I don't care about tarriffs, these had no impact on me during the first Trump administration.
Well it seems no matter who we choose, war with China is on the menu.
You really think antisemitism would increase??? Really? You think Trump and Mike Johnson are going to allow colleges to be overrun with protestors threatening Jews?
As a Jew and supporter of Israel, Trump should be your guy. Although you've indicated that abortion is the number 1 thing you care about, so maybe you want to stick with the Dems...
While I think abortion should be legal for a period of time, it's not something that's going to influence my vote.
Don't care about LGBTQA etc etc. Gay marriage is legal.
My taxes were not impacted significantly by either the Trump or Biden administration. The inflation we experienced 2 years ago was brutal though.
Hm, yes and what have the Democrats done for the environment? Been 40 years and everything I am seeing is the climate is getting worse. Maybe its time to stop chasing the BRICS countries around for treaties they have no intention of honoring. Might be time to start cloud seeding and blocking the sun over the Pacific and Atlantic.
I don't care about tarriffs, these had no impact on me during the first Trump administration.
Well it seems no matter who we choose, war with China is on the menu.
You really think antisemitism would increase??? Really? You think Trump and Mike Johnson are going to allow colleges to be overrun with protestors threatening Jews?
As a Jew and supporter of Israel, Trump should be your guy. Although you've indicated that abortion is the number 1 thing you care about, so maybe you want to stick with the Dems...
MartinII · 70-79, M
I don't know whether that's true. If it is, it's probably because Biden protects them and a successor might not do so. There may even be some extreme left-wingers who would like to see Trump win, though they wouldn't say so.
LeopoldBloom · M
@MartinII That's accelerationism. People said the same thing about George W. Bush, that electing him would be so horrible, the people would have no choice but to rise up in revolution and establish a socialist worker's paradise.
These people are delusional. If there is a revolution in this country and the federal government collapses, it will be like Syria on steroids - small fiefdoms ruled by local warlords.
These people are delusional. If there is a revolution in this country and the federal government collapses, it will be like Syria on steroids - small fiefdoms ruled by local warlords.
SomeMichGuy · M
You answered your own question with the qualifier "mostly".
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@SomeMichGuy “Mostly” is not a meaningless word, nor does it mean both sides are about even. It means there may be some exceptions to the rule, but the vast majority of progressives support Biden’s candidacy, whereas the vast majority of moderates want him to step aside.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Theyitis And my answer still is sound.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Biden originally said he would be a one term President. I think it was a mistake to change that position..😷
Not many would agree with you
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@mysteryespresso I saw a poll that showed most Democratic voters want Biden to step aside by a margin of 56%-42%. So we’re divided, but those voters thinking like me are significantly more common at the moment. Unfortunately, the party elites who would potentially have the influence to convince Biden to step aside are either in the “ridin’ with Biden” camp or are too afraid to speak up.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Theyitis Most voters want Trump to step aside too.
Fukfacewillie · 51-55, M
Right? The squad came out in support of Biden and they think he is a genocidal maniac.
I’m a moderate Dem and want him out today.
I’m a moderate Dem and want him out today.
tenente · 100+, M
american conservative here. i think people have already made up their minds who they are voting for (or against). president biden replaced on the ballot, or not, won't mean very much to the outcome on Nov 5.
aside, america can do MUCH better than these two candidates (but don't want to(?) makes me crazy...)
aside, america can do MUCH better than these two candidates (but don't want to(?) makes me crazy...)
MethDozer · M
What left wing? There is no left wing of any real power or place here.
Anywho you go that completely backwards. The left segment of society never wanted him to begin with.
Anywho you go that completely backwards. The left segment of society never wanted him to begin with.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom I hope you are right. I fear you are not
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom And just so you know: Republicans have stopped doing Biden attack adds and European policy makers dre preparing for a Trump Presidency.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Burnley123 Also, big dollar donors to the Biden campaign contributed substantially less in June than they did in May. We may also see the DNC shift money from the presidential race to congressional ones. If the Democrats can win a House majority, all Trump will be able to do in a second term is appoint judges.
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