@Entwistle the question was if I regret getting the vaccine, I said I got it and still got Covid, when you get a vaccine you expect it too keep you from getting the thing you are vaccinating against, not 100 percent but effective. I got the vaccine and don't regret it. Why are you challenging my knowledge of the effectiveness of the covid vaccine.? #Stop the spread
@SW-User what on earth are you talking about? are you ranting again about being anti-vaccine? have you even seen the "package insert" for the vaccines?
@SW-User And you know that because? There is no evidence of that happening in any studies of humans, I won't go further, since you seem determined to not believe science.
Even though the efficacy of the vaccine waned with changing strains, it still offers some protection from severe cases. And it has been remarkably safe, despite what the nutters might say.
@SW-User But none of it was based upon scientific principles, and you don't even listen to people who DID look at the 80k pages.
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@StevetheSleeve no Iāve been looking deeply into it for over two years, I see what they cover up. The huge stores they donāt put on the msm. They hide so much stuff.
Once you know whatās really going on, itās clear to see. The lies!
@StevetheSleeve No, she's one of the educated smart ones, with common sense. I can't believe everyone fell for this deadly vaccine. Even the best, renowned doctors in Europe tried to warn people not to get it. Along with nurses who lived in that ward with covid patients. Just the fact alone that those nurses refused to go back to their job if they would be forced to give those shots, should tell us all something! They sacrificed their lives to try to save people from that vaccine. I about had a fit when my sister said she was going to take them all. So her and her neighbor went to the clinic at the same time and had the first covid vaccine shot. I'm just grateful that she wasn't the one that died, but her neighbor did, just hours later. What is wrong with people that that would not clearly tell them that hear a person is perfectly healthy, runs every day was in great shape and then just as soon as he gets the shot, he dies. What else could it be? One would have to be plain stupid not to see it. And don't tell me, "Oh, that was just one out of a thousand" or whatever. That's beside the point. Is still confirms that that vaccine is poisonous, a killer. And no matter if it kills only a handful, that's still a handful too much, on untested vaccines. I don't understand why a person would get that vaccine without even questioning what is in it and without knowing the side effects. Boy, when we believe what our government tells us, we'll fall for anything. I'm just thankful my sister is still alive. That could have well been her instead of him, but I don't mean that to say I am not sorry that this poor guy passed away. What a great tragedy for him and his family and for what? I wish he had not died, either. I wish no one had died.
had covid twice now and never died or took up a hospital bed like certain people have been accusing those whom never had the vaccine of doing I am incredibly thankful i was smart enough not to put that poison in me Let others be the governments lab rats
An average of 5,269 hospitalizations are being reported daily in the US, with 383 deaths daily. Currently, over 30,000 people are hospitalized, and 1,040,314 people have died of covid so far.
@iamonfire696 My niece who voluntarily went to covid wards to help is a hero . To say it's all a lie is very ignorant and a slap in the face to those who spent time trying to help . She watched people die and was shaken by the experience. She rejoiced when they pulled through. She wasn't in on any concpiracy ;she was just a compassionate brave human being with the skills to help.
@Justmeraeagain Kudos to your niece. Many health professionals were so shaken by what they experienced that they ended up resigning a profession they loved. They are the true heroes of this pandemic.
I regret getting the first dose, but did so out of the necessity to "protect" a family member who is immune-compromised, when knowledge was still in short supply during the delta variant. I got J&J because I did not want the experimental BS of the mRNA.
I refuse to get any boosters, because even the immune-compromised family member is not concerned anymore with how weak the strains have become and now knows the jab does nothing to prevent infection. Which is how it was originally sold to the public with it's "efficacy" ratings.
Maxine Waters had like a quadruple booster and wore a mask and still got it. I'll take my chances!
You socialists always want to silence people. Look at the Nazis. They burned books to silence others and that's what you guys are doing with your canceling etc
Even the first dose will do a lot of harm and the vaccine doesn't even work
I'm praying that you don't get sick from it
Appreciate the concern, but I'd like to think that because I went out of my way to get Johnson and Johnson, which is a traditional viral type of vaccine (uses a live/inert virus), that I'll be better off if your theories are correct. 200-300 million people got Moderna and Pfizer. I can tell you when I was scheduling it, there was only one place in the entire area that had J&J, and only a few doses of it at that. Everywhere else had the other two. Suspicious. J&J should be no different than getting a typical children's vaccine, I still regret getting it, but I doubt I'll get sick from it.
The reason people are skeptical about the vaccine is because Farci or Science or whoever is preaching it just cannot seem to get their story straight about who covid-19 effects the most, or how you might die from it or might have no symptoms, or how big business can stay open but small ones had to close, or when restaurants opened you had to wear a mask until you got to your table (the hell?)...
Or how they kept going into lockdowns then not, or mask mandates back and forth...
Someone would have to be a down's syndrome having Alzheimer's MORON to not see that the powers were just jerking people around.
But yeah so they played all these games and by the time the vaccine came out, people were like, "Oh BS".
They would not just give up their stranglehold that easily though.
You underestimate the power of protesting, my dear. However, you are correct that had it all been a scheme to gather power or make money, they would not have given up.
I grew up as military dependent, and had every vaccine that was required even beyond what was required in the public school I attended. I have not regretted "taking" those or the COVID vaccines. I have no reason to regret taking the one you are clearly referring to, because no health issues have happened after doing so.
It's clear by now that the vaccine doesn't work, was a scam, and causes lots of health issues
No. It works. It wasn't a scam. It does not cause lots of health issues.
That's all disinformation.
Did you take it because you drank the liberal Kool aid?
No. I took it because I looked at the information and evaluated it with understanding, not fear or anger. And it's the only thing to do as a Christian or an American.
@SomeMichGuy what studies did you use to prove the vaccine's efficacy?
Are you able to find studies at some time but unable to find others? Or do you need to be spoon-fed all of your info? You probably just agreed to the shot bc you were told to get one...research be damned.
@easterniowegin No, you have all manner of facts at your fingertips, studies, etc., so I figured you know about *your* claims.
I used the CDC/NIH information. The results of the early studies were available. I don't know authors, etc., but the results were that the initial effectiveness of Pfizer was 95%, ~2 wks after the 2nd injection of the original series.
Just looking at the results of your poll. Nearly 25% took it and regret it. Higher than I would expect, since people don't like admitting they made a mistake. On the flip side, thank God for the pure bloods who stood strong against the medical tyranny. We are the control group who've proven the vaccine efficacy and safety data was a massive lie.
@ninalanyon I can chime in on a personal level. My mother was pressured by her doctor to get the jab. It was one month after her second dose that she began to experience liver failure followed closely by kidney failure. She never was a drinker and was was healthy. She made it four months before dying.
Talking to the hospice nurses one evening, they said that they had seen a marked increase in liver cirrhosis one renal failure since the roll out of the āvaccinesā that are not actually vaccines. I understand that She was just one person, but it is very personal to me.
I took it because I nearly died of a bridge pulmonary aneurysm and found out I was high risk from bad COVID side effects. I relied on people in my circle to evaluate risks. These included anti vaccine advocates as well as doctors and structural biologists. I had no side effects. When I got COVID had very mild symptoms. So I am good with my decisions.
@CopperCicada You took all of the evidence under consideration and made a smart decision to get the vaccine. You had a good outcome as a result. While there was no guarantee, you did everything possible to maximize your success. If more Americans had done as you did, we wouldn't have had a million plus Covid dead (and counting).
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Omg, Iāll admit, I regret taking that terrible vaccine. It all started with a dab and as of late, Iāve been diagnosed with dabbingitis where I canāt stop dabbing. Hereās proof:
Please, please, please yāall whatever you do, donāt take the Covid vaccine or youāll end up dabbing like me.
Covid deaths have now pushed the US life expectancy all the way down to 76.1 years. The last two years show the biggest drop in life expectancy in a century. Men can be expected to live to only 73.2 years now, with women livie almost six years longer. Are the deniers and anti-vaxxers happy yet?
@Oster1 Far from broke, and far from stupid, and that's you that is the bastard. You lose again AND are drunk at work. Be careful--that's what led you to block me the first time around in a drunken rage.
I regret it. I regret it because it has had an effect on my immune system. I have NEVER been so allergic to everything in my life. And that is causing sinus infections and chronic bronchitis.
Now I am going to have to get allergy shots once a month, and I don't even know if it is safe to get the shots in the same arm where I had the "vaccine" and the boosters. Supposedly the "vaccine" stays in the arm and doesn't move. (Except it's not actually a vaccine, and it does move, to women's reproductive parts).
But there is no one smart enough to tell me whether the lump of nano particles in my arm will over-react to allergy shots.
@4meAndyou The theory about it staying in the arm would explain why my arm started hurting when I got covid a month ago. Unless it's some weird muscle memory.
@CrazyMusicLover Nope. They planned for it NOT to travel to other parts of the body...but unfortunately it does travel. I think, with one "vaccination" and two boosters, I have a lump of the stuff down near the bone in my upper arm. I'm wondering if something bad will happen if I get my allergy shots there, too. Anyone who assures me that it won't will just be guessing.
I think it a bit of an oversimplification that " they drink the liberal Kool-Aid " I know several conservatives in my church who took all the shots and boosters and they are not dead, and as of yet ,have suffered no ill effects from the shots. My husband had to get the shots because he's a CNA ;he's had all but one booster and he has not gotten sick even though I have got covid. Again, he had no sickness or ill effects. This is what I have experienced. I don't say this for any political or conspiracy reasons. How effective they are I do not know, but having known several people have had them and have not had any problems with it I really don't think it's poison, this is my opinion ,please don't argue with me you can believe what you want ,it's not up to me to persuade anyone or tell them what to do with their own body, but I will tell the truth by my own experience. By the way, I was on the fence for a long time about these shots and I was not vaccinated. When I see my doctor in September I will probably start getting them.
@Justmeraeagain Thank you for your reasonable approach to covid.
The J&J vaccine had some initial problems reported with blood clotting. I believe there were six instances reported our of seven million vaccinations. I'm not sure what the current status is--I haven't checked because the majority of people are receiving the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines in the US.
@windinhishair It is difficult for people to understand what it means to compare events that may have occurred after any intervention, and what happens randomly without that intervention, regardless if it is a vaccine or something else.
@samueltyler2 That's true, which is why it is incumbent for people to rely on the advice of medical professionals for medical decisions. I had a good example of that less than two hours ago. During a routine physical, I asked my primary care doctor about a medication I have been taking and suggested discontinuing because the underlying reason for taking it was marginal. He explained that there were additional, clinical reasons for taking it that I was unaware of, and gave me some articles to read if I was interested. Had I only researched the use of this particular medication, and knowing my personal medical history, I would have stopped taking it. However, the additional advice he provided shifted me from stopping it to continuing.
Taking the vaccines was and is the smart thing to do. All the data says they were very effective though not perfect.
Covid Vaccine effectiveness data from the US 2021
Executive Summary: In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.
This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.
Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.
Details Source https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.
Discussion Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.
Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.
Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection.
The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during AprilāMay and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during JulyāNovember, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during AprilāMay, to 89% during June, 80% during JulyāNovember, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during AprilāMay, 94% during June, and 94% during JulyāNovember.
Booster doses were highly effective.
During OctoberāNovember, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.
Incidence rate ratios
IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence
@ElwoodBlues Table 2 from the above article shows how well the vaccines protected vaccinated boostered people against Delta by age. They were very helpful in the 50-64 age group
@ElwoodBlues well done. Did you look up the % increase of supply in 2020? Im done engaging with you. Cant be doing wasting time speaking to a fully signed up member of this death cult. Its weird at best
@gol979 It would be interesting to know the source of your false claims. I'm guessing there are a few main sources of misleading and misinformation that you and others tap into. Anyway, just to review, so it doesn't scroll away,
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Just look at the excess deaths.... at the height of this psy op (2020) deaths were in the normal range.
Far from it, dude. In the UK in 2020, both Covid deaths and non-Covid deaths were soaring
Why were there so many non-Covid excess deaths? Crowded hospitals and people avoiding treatment for fear of Covid. In the UK in 2020, weekly excess deaths DOUBLED during the initial Covid wave. They DOUBLED during that wave dude!! No way to hide that sad fact.
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hospitals were practically empty
BULLLSHIIIITTT!!! Dude, each time you post another false statistic, you lose more credibility. Do you really want to become the next dippyjoe?
3000 hospital admissions per day, week after week. That's the definition of an overcrowded hospital.
BTW I looked it up. Midazolam is given to dying patients to reduce the pain of death. So that's a complete red herring on your part.
@windinhishair Right. Just for the record... a lot of people were and are being sent home from the place I work at. They somehow got covid. They all have the "vaccine" and boosters. Easy to spot them when they return since they must wear face masks. Anyway...I've had enough of this topic again. It's going nowhere new fast. Same old things happening.
@SW-User The current covid variants are far more transmissible than the earlier ones. The data proves that even if the vaccinated get covid, they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die. That's just a fact.
The "same old things" are happening in this discussion because I believe in using facts, as many people do. If you don't like people who use scientific facts and data, perhaps you should refrain from discussion.
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@windinhishair Same old things meaning... name calling, arguing, attacking others..... you seriously can't miss it unless you're turning a blind eye. Nothing changes! People insult, people argue, etc.... I just don't care to do it and for that you assume and presume.... You all have fun now!
I know some refuse through fear of unwelcome side-effects beyond short-term reaction - a genuine hazard of most medications bu the worse the side-effect the less the risk. (Risk is not the same as hazard.)
Others seem to prefer risking of being ill with a disease they can transmit to to others, than being told, as they see it, what to do by those in "authority". The same authorities who just happen also to create the medical services generally we all need from time to time .
A few apparently think infectious diseases are not real, but highly-incredible political constructs by vague entities with fantastical motives.
Others still refuse through sheer gullibility, lack of basic science knowledge and no appreciation of the nature of risk. Such people are easy prey for anonymous (anti-)social-media ignorami - and liars - making for their own unknown reasons, allegations that fail even simple scrutiny of logic, let alone school-level science.
Like so many umpteen millions of other people, I have been vaccinated against -
Poliomyelitis, Tetanus, Diphtheria (I think), Tuberculosis, Influenza (annually, starting perhaps 10 years ago), and now, SARS_Covid_19 - and I will take annual re-inoculations if advised.
Notably, of all those, only Covid has given rise to so much pure ignorance, fear and downright wilful pro-disease, pro-pandemic, pseudo-political, anti-health campaigning.
I wonder how many out of those 89 people got covid after getting "vaccinated"? Or suddenly had an old illness come back just days or weeks after a booster. Or got new health problems out of nowhere that wont go away. Not to mention the young, fit athletes that suddenly drop dead from heart attacks. So many people I know have gotten the jab and then still gotten covid, or other problems shortly after. Some minor, some very serious. They can be even the kind thing of thing that'll change a persons life forever or be life threatening. Meanwhile, I've never let them jab me with that shit and I've never had covid. I wonder if there's any connection....
@SomeMichGuy A lot of people are all over it... š And no, not just youtubers (not that someone saying something on youtube means it can't be true, just like what we say here doesn't automatically become false).. I'm talking about actual doctors, scientists and just people who give a shit spend a long time researching these things. You don't know that because you don't bother looking into anything and just blindly believe whatever the mainstream media tells you to. If it's on TV, it must be true.. It's not like the Government and media have a long history of lying or anything....
Since getting the vaccine I have had joint pain like crazy. I have had chest pains on and off since. Coinsidence maybe. Over all research shows the vaccine has more problems then it solves. There is a large number of deaths, but that number varries by what outlet you look at. Maybe it worked well for some, but has proven to detrimental to others. I hope in the long run they will come clean on it, and make a safe and effective vax.
@Confined I have joint pain and migrating dull chest pains as well. Puts a damper on my weightlifting efforts, and I really enjoy weightlifting. Long Covid? Too bad, so sad. Oh well, maybe it will all pass given time.
Oh, shut your mouth, sweetie! Wash it out with some soap!!!
It shows it works for the majority of people, that it minimises the potential for life-threatening symptoms and thus lessens hospital admissions.....which is what it was all about in the first place! Read all the blurb - It wasn't designed as a cure, nor was it advertised as.....you just got your knickers in a twist over nothing...
so many sheeple have convinced themselves that it works, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary; or think their covid symptoms were lessened after taking vaccine even though none of them had covid without the vaccine...
the irony is that about the only thing the vaccine (which isn't really a vaccine) accomplished was demonstrating how easily the masses can be manipulated into believing fallacies; many would probably even eat a turd if the media tried to convince them it was good for them...
wrong...people now get sick but far fewer die because of vaccines...i will get every booster i can...I know too many who resisted and are now dead...and so many who got the vaccines and either got mildly sick or no symptoms at all...or never got it, like me...
According to the polls, Trump supporters were much less likely to take the vaccine than Biden supporters. Does this difference show up in county case & death rates? Indeed it does!
I never got it. And I never will. When it first became available around March 2021, I had a bad intuitive feeling about it. Like I'd be severely betraying myself if I took it. And since March 2021, along with all the health problems and deaths connected to the vaxx and vaxx makers insisting upon legal immunity from ill effects and pfizer attempting to keep their vaxx research from being disclosed for 50 or 75 years, there's this -
Over and above all the health related reasons to not take the vaxx, what is posted above is very close to my main reason for refusing the vaxx and the intuitive sense of severe self betrayal were I to take the vaxx. "Betraying my soul's mission" as the person who posted that says above - I sensed that I would be doing the same by taking the vaxx.
@theAlchemist Shadow and I enjoy aggravating each other. What I don't get though is why people still argue about if the vaccine is a good idea or not. I mean at this point each of us has made up our minds to get it or not. When they talk about getting four shots though, there is no way in hell that could be good for somebody no matter what kind of shot it is. Especially within a 2-year period.
but less than half of the people who supposedly died from covid actually did. It was all a big lie.
Well, what do the numbers say?
Are the Covid death numbers the result of mis-classification of other causes of death?
Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.
Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
@checkoutanytime Moving patients to care homes only happened in one state for a few weeks in April. The autumn 2020 wave was the anti-mask states becoming superspreaders.
@Elessar Regardless of which side of the covid/vax side someone believes, one thing is for sure - a lot of places were making serious bank for a while and now that it has slowed down, they are surely panicking.
It was the only way I could see my husband šØš¦ā¤ļøšŗšø. No regrets. Had we never met I may not have gotten the Jab. My son is not vaccinated (24) by choiceā¦ he is not anti-vac he just made a personal health choice .
@Jenny1234 from the natural disease or the vaccine? Over a million Americans and tens of millions worldwide died from covid. If you don't know anyone be who even got sick, you either live in a bubble, are ill informed, or incredibly lucky. The daily average number of deaths in the US now, based on a 2 week rolling average, is appt aching 500 a day! That is far lower than in the height of the pandemic, but still that is 4 that Mrs the number of deaths from annual influenza, is close to the store now most common cause of death in the US!
@Jenny1234 thanks for clarifying, so many here side stepped the issue and spoke about the natural disease. Statistically, there are some who seemed to have medical problems temporally associated with the vaccine, some may truly have been related to the vaccine, but those are extremely unusual, and the natural illness causes far more complications, thus the risk:benfit is favorable.
I took the two initial doses and one āboosterā. I did it for reasons most here wouldnāt understand and could not comprehend. I donāt regret it, but Iām disappointed in what we now know is the reality. I wonāt take jab #4 or future jabs. I am however a believer in vaccines. This just isnāt one of them.
@Stargazer89 Like I said, most people here wouldnāt understand. I have my reasons and they were valid. But I appreciate the concern and believe itās sincere so thank you.
@Redstar What different solutions? Shining a light up your rear end? Drinking pool chemicals? If there are other proven solutions, doctors are happy to provide those treatments to their patients. They have a duty to do so and their goal is to help their patients.
The reason that the medical community keeps repeating the phrase "safe and effective" is: 1) it works, as evidenced by billions of doses worldwide and millions of lives saved, and 2) medical professionals are trying to reach people like you who are anti-vaccine without evidence. And yes, professionals WOULD continue to say it again and again despite the vaccine being a huge success because so many people mistakenly believe pseudoscience, youtube videos, and random internet wizards instead of people who follow facts, data, and science.
I am in agreement with your article about perceived truth being influenced by repetition. It worked for Hitler in the 1930s and 1940s, it has been spectacularly effective for Trump and the GQP, QAnon, etc., and it plays a huge role in the anti-vaxxer and denial cult. It is ironic that you are aware of the phenomenon and yet it has no impact on you being deceived and believing disinformation provided by the deniers and others with no science background.
Shining a light up your rear end? Drinking pool chemicals?
I have never heard of anything that stupid... so, no, obviously not. Yes, there goal is to help their patients, that's why it's a massive problem that they're not always allowed to do that and it needs to be looked into, not ignored....
Of course you wouldn't pay any attention to the evidence I've shown you. It's only scientific proof, but who needs that's, right??
You're arguing a point on the internet, exactly the same as literally anyone in a youtube video. Therefore, by your own "logic" no one should believe anything you say, so why are you bothering? But seriously, things are are a lot more online these days, youtube isn't just a place for random people to post dumbass shit, I mean it is still that but there's plenty of educational shit on there, too. Which makes sense, seeing as though anyone with an internet connection, including intelligent people like scientists can upload their own findings and thoughts. Of course people need to discover things on their own and not just take another persons word for it, which is what we're all doing here anyway.
I wasn't talking about merely saying the same thing, I mean literally repeating it... It is a proven fact, yet you're still acting like it's nothing. And using words like "wizards" to describe people, rather than at least talk about people in realistic terms. You're making people out to be absolute lunatics based on.... what, exactly? Have you ever watched a video of someone talking about this kind of thing? Not just a 3 minute rant, I mean a proper talk where they talk about the specifics.
But alright, go ahead and find me evidence of people like myself using the illusory truth trick. Meanwhile, here's proof that mainstream media runs off a script: [media=https://youtu.be/c5IFTBYdxj0]
@Redstar Trump proposed both during one of his press conferences. People actually died ingesting pool chemicals as a result. Disinformation matters.
What information have you shown me that shows the vaccines don't work? I haven't seen any scientific proof from you. And given the billions of doses safely given, and the reduction in deaths afterwords, you have a very high bar to clear to prove they don't work. If there are data out there that show one of the vaccines is problematic, of course scientists want to know that, as does the CDC and NIH. There was an initial indication that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine had an issue with deep vein thrombosis in young women. That was looked into, and out of an abundance of caution, that vaccine is not used as widely as the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines due to the small risk of DVT.
There are some good videos on youtube, but far too many people believe the disinformation that is rampant there. You do as well. If you follow the science, you know that the primary vaccines used in the US do exactly what they are supposed to, with minimal side effects. The data clearly supports their use in the current pandemic.
I'm not sure what your point is about repeating a slogan or sentence word for word. That doesn't make anything true. We know, for example, that Stop the Steal of the 2020 presidential election is based on literally no factual information, and yet a large number of Americans believe it, and are preparing to commit violence based on their commitment to disinformation. Yes, those people are absolute lunatics and a danger to the nation.
If your point is that you can't trust the press for anything because many people use the same term, does that mean when most sportscasters say "The Yankees beat the Red Sox last night 4 to 3" we should reject that outright? And if I came up with a youtube video of 100 of them saying the same thing, it would prove that their information was false?
The bottom line is this--use the available science, data, and facts to come to your own conclusions. When that process is followed, the conclusion is that the vaccines work and save lives. If and when other information indicating a potential problem becomes available, it will be examined in context, as it should be. Until then, we should be glad we have a vaccine against a novel coronavirus that has killed over a million Americans and negatively impacted over 4 million more for a period of time no one yet knows.
I don't take medicine unless I am sick. I believe in prevention, like ancient Hippocrates, father of medicine said: a drop of prevention equals a ton of therapy. I go under the sunlight, I have a plant based diet, I make sure I take enough sleep, I exercise, I try to look at the bright side, I sing, I dance.. I went through covid. I drunk only water for three days and then I did a cherry fast, eating nothing but cherries for five days. I recovered slowly. Look out for naturopathy, that is how it's called the alternative branch of medicine that I am following.
@SomeMichGuy I can agree that you care and that all the things you say come from a place of deep caring and I won't argue that western medicine works. But I want the freedom to act as I judge that is suitable for me. I might have my own reasons. If I want to retrieve in nature and die, I want that to be my choice and not one of a government or a company. I totally get it, how I might seem like anarchy against the system in your eyes but that's not my intention, I have the least mood for fight. It's a total difference of pov. It's not "good tips"... it's a whole lifelong effort to make it right..
@being Yes, if your actions are what you want, but you don't endanger another, than i agree with you. But, we all have to accept the fact that we give up some personal freedoms to enhance the health and welfare of others. We stop at traffic lights, we support public education, clean water, and most people do become immunized to various infectious diseases, many of which you may not have had any experience with, and which I saw kill children and adults and now are rarely seen because of immunizations.
Yes, some people manage to live their life without getting any of the deadly infectious diseases, because so many of the general public has been immunized that the diseases are less common. A man just developed polio in NY because he was not immunized, there were outbreaks of measles in California when unimmunized people were exposed to cases of measles. The basis of the mRNA vaccine has been studied since the 1990s, or even before that, it didn't start in 2019 or later.
I am not trying to "fight" with you, I am simply trying to present the actual facts to you.
Do you know that the spike protein of covid directly damages the heart? Have you looked at the differences in morbidity and mortality of those who were vaccinated and those who did not. The unvaccinated had far worse outcomes!
@smileylovesgaming I've had four shots already and will get additional ones in the future as long as they are available. There are thousands of things that might kill me but hopefully it won't be covid.
Are you saying that you have never been vaccinated against smallpox? Monkeypox is in the same family. Thousands of people are screaming that they want the monkeypox vaccine right now. The monkeypox doesn't kill very many people so if you want to be completely miserable for a couple of months I suppose you don't have to get vaccinated.
Will you hold your position when the next virus erupts and there's a vaccine that could save you?
On top of this there were quite a number of people who failed utterly when it came to the moral test. Still find it hard to think so many were condoning mandatory injections ie slavery. Before certain ppl lose their minds over the word slavery ill add context. Slavery ie if ppl chose not to get injected many wanted them punished (the word used was "consequence").....so, you no longer had control over your body, someone else owns you. Any injection mandate is disgusting imo and the ppl pushing this should have a look in the mirror
@gol979 Yup, that is the scariest part and I see it in the other aspects of life now too. There are too many people who ask authorities to control the nature, environment and the lives of others above the limits that are natural and acceptable and they are more than happy to do so. What used to be recommendations are prohibitions now and yet there are people who applaud it.
@CrazyMusicLover well said. Seems people have been so brainwashed they dont trust themselves and have outsourced a huge chunk of responsibility to illegitimate authority. They also despise anyone standing on their own 2 feet, confidence (not arrogance) and conviction
What will it take to knock people out of this trance?
3000 hospital admissions per day, week after week. That's the definition of an overcrowded hospital.
