Poll: how many regret taking the vaccine

@SomeMichGuy Cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing. It allows the deniers to hold contradictory positions at the same time.

@SomeMichGuy You actually believe the same thing was injected into him? Cause, you know, it's not like it could have been a placebo or anything...

@Redstar You are the definition of a self-sealing conspiracy theorist. lol

@SomeMichGuy Who knows? It could have been Grape Kool-Aid. Perhaps alien plasma from Lizard People.

@SomeMichGuy What's it like to go through life without ever questioning things or thinking for yourself?

@Redstar Lmao No traction there, you silly man!

I question & test all the time. I have corrected textbooks, even graduate level, as a student using them because of this.

The generally-accepted scientific explanation is coherent. The other points of view are not.

@SomeMichGuy Well you clearly blindly trust whatever the Government and media decide to tell you. I'm not arguing against the scientific method...

@Redstar No, I read the data, I learned about excess deaths, I looked at negative events, I looked at the performance over time.

And I looked at the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

And I came at this with an extensive STEM background.

So I DID think, and chose the Pfizer vaccine and I am glad.

@SomeMichGuy You're glad? Well you obviously didn't look into Pfizer at all, because information like this took me minutes to find.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/10/viral-image/no-evidence-yet-concluding-ivermectin-effective-co/

Even before covid they were untrustworthy
https://www.dmlawfirm.com/pfizer-slaughters-baby-horses-for-premarin/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/30/blog-posting/drug-pfizer-studying-covid-19-not-suspiciously-sim/

You really want to put your trust in these people? Don't you realize that pharmaceutical companies only care about making money?

@Redstar I just love your use of ivermectin to smear Pfizer. I love that you spent whole minutes completely misunderstanding who promoted ivermectin as a covid treatment. Ivermectin was never approved nor promoted for use in treating covid. It was a bogus treatment promoted by the Trump Cult, the deniers, and the anti-vaxxers. As you noted, it has clinical uses as an anti-parasitic drug, and is used as a horse dewormer, not as a covid treatment. It only gained popularity as a result of the conspiracy theorists using anecdotal evidence and beliefs and feelings instead of science.

@windinhishair The piont of me saying how long it took to find was only to point out how easily it is to find this infomation is if you actually take any amount of time to look for it, something SomeMichGuy doesn't do.
I'd like to see evidence of what you say, not just "trump". I don't give a shit about your fake politics.
The whole horse thing is not a positive thing to mention, by the way....

We generally wait for the science. I've been plagued with a logical mind, so I am never satisfied with anything but facts. Nothing about the covid "vaccine" is factual, scientific or even remotely believable by any critically thinking person.

@Redstar Where did you receive your medical degree(s)? Doctors, epidemiologists, and virologists around the world are grateful for the safe and effective covid vaccines based on sound science. Not sure what you are using, but it is clear you haven't done your research, or if you did, you were unable to comprehend facts.

You do realize the target of your misplaced vitriol wasn't talking about ivermectin, right? Why on earth would you use an example of something that illustrates the idiocy of the anti-vaxxers and covid deniers to show that someone who knows they are idiots is wrong? Does that make sense to you? I don't have to post anything that debunks ivermectin as a covid "treatment", since you did it already.

@Redstar
I knew what Ivermectin was for years before you posted...

But you DO realize that you posted fact checks which support the idea that using Ivermectin--a drug which combats worms...--to try to combat a virus is stupid (which was obvious, just like drinking bleach or somehow putting UV light in people...)...right?

And what does that have to do with Pfizer or Big Pharma? They didn't push that; heck, I'm sure that the drug info insert says what it's for, dosage, etc.

So you found two things...*clap*...*clap*...

Yes, I'm GLAD I have lived to when we can see some *amazing* harvests from all the work done on DNA. The mRNA-based vaccines were 95% effective against the original strain, initially--that's GREAT news!

@windinhishair No, they're not. There are plenty of doctors and scientists who know how dangerous the vaccine is. They all get silenced or bribed to keep their mouth shut. Big pharma coaxes them into pushing their drugs onto people. This is basically common knowledge at this point and it's really easy to find out about if you don't already know,you just gotta look for it.
If it was "safe and effective" they wouldn't need to have repeated that over and over and over. That's a way to get people to believe something even if it isn't true. Similar to how a person can be verbally abused so much that they start to believe what they're told, regardless of whether or not it's true.
People say they trust scientists and their doctors... until those scientists and doctors say something they disagree with 🙄

@SomeMichGuy What am I supposed to do then? Show you every single article ever? 🙄 Obviously the entire point of posting sources is so people know it's not someone just making shit up. I can't believe I actually just had to explain that....

You're really good at singling one thing out and ignoring the actual point.

I noticed you still haven't replied to my comment in response to yours, when I mentioned what happened in my state when the border was closed but then reopened to double vaxxed and we went from 0 to nearly a thousand cases in under a week.
Same thing with the article with quotes from doctors and their lawyer.
It's just interesting that those are the things you chose not to reply to.

@Redstar So all doctors around the world, in every country on Earth, regardless of circumstances, has been bullied into remaining silent about the vaccines. Yeah, right. Does that even make sense to you?

The term "safe and effective" has been used to communicate the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines. You are free to believe facts or not. If you choose to believe in some fanciful story about all doctors on earth--millions of them--on the take, be my guest. I will choose facts, science, and data instead.

@Redstar I have a life & talking with people who ignore the vast amount of amassed data & don't understand the basics of public v. private health is really time wasted.

As I mentioned to someone else, I've read the *story* in the Catholic source, but the link to the underlying affidavits/statements didn't work right then (though the author didn't seem familiar with vaccinations).

But please do spout whatever. lol

@windinhishair Well look at what happens when anyone tries to offer a different solution, even though it's proven to work. Or the fact that even after a scary experience with a really bad side effect, while they're still unrecovered, people get forced to get another jab.
There's more and it doesn't too longto find this stuff out.... it's not even a conspiracy that big pharma only cares about money, not peoples health and does whatever they can to make more money. That's just how they operate.
I told you the purpose of repeating things like "safe and effective". If it really were those things, they wouldn't need to repeat literally the exact same thing over and over. This article is quite long, so I don't expect you to read it all, I'm just putting it here so you can see that It's a well known fact in the field of psychology as repetition-induced truth effect or illusory truth effect:
https://online.ucpress.edu/collabra/article/6/1/38/114468/Repetition-Increases-Perceived-Truth-Even-for

@Redstar Yes. And that's true for Trump's many lies, the lies of QAnon, the lies of the "stolen" election, the lies about the Jan. 6 insurrectionists being "just tourists", and the misinformation spread by pandemic deniers & anti-vaxxers.

@SomeMichGuy Since we don't constantly repeat the same phrase, like the media and Government does with lines such as "safe and effective" and instead opt for evidence and critical thinking, it does not apply to us. If it was just about health and safety, they wouldn't need to employ such methods and the evidence would speak for itself but if you do a little digging, it's painfully easy to see that it doesn't.
Also, I'm sure you do have other things to do, except that you replied to everything but that. So thanks for proving me right by continuing to ignore what I was saying about my state and the double vaxxed. It just tells me that you have no way to argue against it, even theoretically.

@Redstar What different solutions? Shining a light up your rear end? Drinking pool chemicals? If there are other proven solutions, doctors are happy to provide those treatments to their patients. They have a duty to do so and their goal is to help their patients.

The reason that the medical community keeps repeating the phrase "safe and effective" is: 1) it works, as evidenced by billions of doses worldwide and millions of lives saved, and 2) medical professionals are trying to reach people like you who are anti-vaccine without evidence. And yes, professionals WOULD continue to say it again and again despite the vaccine being a huge success because so many people mistakenly believe pseudoscience, youtube videos, and random internet wizards instead of people who follow facts, data, and science.

I am in agreement with your article about perceived truth being influenced by repetition. It worked for Hitler in the 1930s and 1940s, it has been spectacularly effective for Trump and the GQP, QAnon, etc., and it plays a huge role in the anti-vaxxer and denial cult. It is ironic that you are aware of the phenomenon and yet it has no impact on you being deceived and believing disinformation provided by the deniers and others with no science background.

@windinhishair I have never heard of anything that stupid... so, no, obviously not.
Yes, there goal is to help their patients, that's why it's a massive problem that they're not always allowed to do that and it needs to be looked into, not ignored....

Of course you wouldn't pay any attention to the evidence I've shown you. It's only scientific proof, but who needs that's, right??

You're arguing a point on the internet, exactly the same as literally anyone in a youtube video. Therefore, by your own "logic" no one should believe anything you say, so why are you bothering?
But seriously, things are are a lot more online these days, youtube isn't just a place for random people to post dumbass shit, I mean it is still that but there's plenty of educational shit on there, too. Which makes sense, seeing as though anyone with an internet connection, including intelligent people like scientists can upload their own findings and thoughts.
Of course people need to discover things on their own and not just take another persons word for it, which is what we're all doing here anyway.

I wasn't talking about merely saying the same thing, I mean literally repeating it... It is a proven fact, yet you're still acting like it's nothing. And using words like "wizards" to describe people, rather than at least talk about people in realistic terms. You're making people out to be absolute lunatics based on.... what, exactly? Have you ever watched a video of someone talking about this kind of thing? Not just a 3 minute rant, I mean a proper talk where they talk about the specifics.

But alright, go ahead and find me evidence of people like myself using the illusory truth trick.
Meanwhile, here's proof that mainstream media runs off a script:
[media=https://youtu.be/c5IFTBYdxj0]

@Redstar Trump proposed both during one of his press conferences. People actually died ingesting pool chemicals as a result. Disinformation matters.

What information have you shown me that shows the vaccines don't work? I haven't seen any scientific proof from you. And given the billions of doses safely given, and the reduction in deaths afterwords, you have a very high bar to clear to prove they don't work. If there are data out there that show one of the vaccines is problematic, of course scientists want to know that, as does the CDC and NIH. There was an initial indication that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine had an issue with deep vein thrombosis in young women. That was looked into, and out of an abundance of caution, that vaccine is not used as widely as the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines due to the small risk of DVT.

There are some good videos on youtube, but far too many people believe the disinformation that is rampant there. You do as well. If you follow the science, you know that the primary vaccines used in the US do exactly what they are supposed to, with minimal side effects. The data clearly supports their use in the current pandemic.

I'm not sure what your point is about repeating a slogan or sentence word for word. That doesn't make anything true. We know, for example, that Stop the Steal of the 2020 presidential election is based on literally no factual information, and yet a large number of Americans believe it, and are preparing to commit violence based on their commitment to disinformation. Yes, those people are absolute lunatics and a danger to the nation.

If your point is that you can't trust the press for anything because many people use the same term, does that mean when most sportscasters say "The Yankees beat the Red Sox last night 4 to 3" we should reject that outright? And if I came up with a youtube video of 100 of them saying the same thing, it would prove that their information was false?

The bottom line is this--use the available science, data, and facts to come to your own conclusions. When that process is followed, the conclusion is that the vaccines work and save lives. If and when other information indicating a potential problem becomes available, it will be examined in context, as it should be. Until then, we should be glad we have a vaccine against a novel coronavirus that has killed over a million Americans and negatively impacted over 4 million more for a period of time no one yet knows.