The only people who should EVER get a vote on this are women.. And if the subject ever comes up it is going to be a fraught decision and should be the choice of the woman involved who doesnt need to be preached at by anyone. Her beliefs and needs are all that matters and the only time anyone else should have a say is if they are prepared to sign on the dotted line to accept the child themselves and pay for it. 😷

I'm unapologetically pro choice. I could write you a short novel on my many reasons. I'll try to be brief.

Even if we grant that a fetus is a whole person with all the rights of someone who has been born, I am still 100% ok with abortion. For any reason and at any stage until the fetus is viable on its own without need for additional life support.

The person carrying the fetus has rights too and can withdraw or never give consent to be pregnant. No one has the right to occupy another person's body without their consent. Including fetuses.

If the kid was already born, would the parents be forced to donate their tissues and organs to make sure they survive? No? Why then, force a pregnant person to do the same? Why is it different if they're born?

Also, the child does not get the opportunity to consent to being born. So many people wish they were not and for all we know, that fetus is going to turn into a person who has that same wish.

All people suffer. All people die. No one is exempt. Why create another person to suffer and die when you could adopt and alleviate suffering that exists in the world?

There are millions of kids in foster care. It makes no sense to make more people when we can't take care of the ones we have!!!

Forcing or even encouraging people to have children they don't want and/or cannot afford is a recipe for disaster for the adults and the children. Kids don't go to foster care if their parents are doing well and they're a happy family.

There is no way to ban abortion. All you can do is ban safe abortions and prosecute people who have miscarriages.

Most people seeking abortion are already parents.

Fetuses aren't legally people.

And if you do believe in heaven/hell, abortion makes certain they do not have a chance to sin and earn an eternity of suffering. Of course that depends on your flavor of Christianity.

How do you feel about soldiers killing 'foreign' people to maintain control over a part of the earth's surface, or murdering internationally because one govt disapproves of another's politics? In today's world this sick, focused obsession with other peoples' abortions is lunatic.

You sound very much like you are married to a member of the Taliban with many of the views that you express and by that I mean that you express the view that a woman doesn’t have the right to speak up in todays society even though you list yourself as being a woman and have just stated your views on abortion.

As you probably know, the Taliban as very conservative in their traditional views and they don’t believe that women/girls should have or be able to express their views.
The Taliban have banned all women from getting any education.

Unless you believe that murdering another human is justified, it's wrong. While they are growing inside your womb, a fetus is otherwise separate to you...their body and all the organs inside it, all of their physical features, and ultimately their life, is theirs and not yours.

I believe that if literally faced with no other alternative, you should have the right to decide. What I hate is pro-lifers on here who claim to care about the unborn, but do not give a shit about the "born".

everyone agrees that in a perfect world there would be no abortion, no one thinks abortion is "good". pro choice see abortion as a dificult choice to remedy a dificult situation. its not ideal. the reason why people discuss whether "its a human" or not is because for non-religious people good and evil are social consensus and we create laws based on these social concensus. but its based on debate, we need to define rights, define what is a person, in order to establish right and wrong behaviors. the big difference with religious people and why they're the main people who are pro-life is that they believe in some absolute good and evil dictated by a god so therefore unchangeable, undebatable. I am open to the idea that there might be a god but for this same reason I am offended by most religions and religious people for having the audacity to think that they know what god wants and thinks. for this reason I consider books like the bible to be blasphemous because they speak in the name of god. no one can claim to know such things. when a debate like abortion comes along, you have the philosophers that want to weight out the good and the bad and take an intelligent decision and then you got the pretentious religious people who simply "know" what the truth is and what the ultimate good is. its an insult to everyone else and possibly an insult to a god unknown. "you point of view is just your point of view but my point of view comes from GOD" 🤮

I am fully pro choice. It is up to the woman as to whether she wants to make a clearly insurmountable choice. Not one single woman has ever, EVER maliciously terminated a baby.

Get off your high horse!

[i] As long as there is help for EVERY unwanted and unplanned pregnancy and there is, t I will ALWAYS support making and keeping abortions illegal. [/i]

Except there isn’t. In my country it’s legal within a certain trimester and no one screams “baby killer”. No old men and women judging and telling young girls and women they are murderers for having autonomy over their own bodies. Make abortions illegal, women die. Why does no one speak of this? It’s like they only care about what women are allowed to do…..after that not one damn is given. That is why indoctrinated zealot is used.
Funny thing is where is the outrage and screams of murder and baby killer when countries with pregnant women and babies are bombed.

If you don’t want an abortion, then don’t get one. That’s your choice.

You don’t get to choose for me or anyone else, though.

Why is that so difficult?

Wrong question. Just a provocation.

Better question: how to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?

Abortion is an individual decision that a woman has to make when required. It is not about “right” or “wrong”. It’s about what is the best outcome for the mother.
Every abortion case is different and done for different reasons and ALL of those reasons are incredibly difficult ones to make.
The best thing you can do is to support any woman who chose to have an abortion.
The mental impact on a woman of having an abortion is not entirely dissimilar to the mental impact of post natal depression.
Both are hard to deal with yet both happen. The main difference is that the shear act of having an abortion is seen as a crime in many US states.

It’s not as simple as some think. If a woman can’t get abortion, it can lead to her or the baby’s death. How is that pro life? Do you want anyone deciding for you when you can live or die?

Abortion is taking away the life of an unborn baby. It's murder plainly.

Killing unborn children is wrong.
It's no more complicated than that.

Everyone fighting over this issue has already been born.

hmm i would argue it being wrong to end a life, but thats just me 🤷‍♂️

Right vs wrong is difficult to determine as opinion and law comes into play.

I will say that human life begins with the zygote...when the sperm penetrates the egg. That's biology and anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

When does the human begin to have rights? I don't know the answer.

The human nervous system begin developing around 12-16 weeks, and at that point, the fetus begins to feel. At that point, I consider abortion barbaric.

The vast majority of abortions result from unwanted pregnancies. And the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are the result of not using birth control, or using birth control incorrectly.

I'd rather focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies.

People who vote to allow the state to force child birth are evil.

[quote]I do wish that pro abortion would just say that they believe that a woman has a right to abortion for any reason at any stage instead of " it's not a human being " or " it's not a person " or any other excuse[/quote]

It's absolutely right if a women chooses to have one.
A woman should have a right to an abortion for every reason and we don't allow it at any stage because we have to define personhood and make legal arrangement by listening to scientific facts so when a foetus might have a chance of surviving outside the womb on its own we could say it is too late to abort.

[quote]It seems to me that " religious zealot " and " indoctrination " are being used to fit ones narrative.[/quote]

Not necessarily given how many religious fundamentalist mistreat women who want to and who had an abortion. There is no objective, universal moral authority so you can use your personal believes and just ascribe them to a god.

It's only ethical to have one before the fetus is fully developed. That's why it's only legal to have one up to a certain point.

In my personal opinion, there is no right or wrong to it. Both sides that are for and against abortion make compelling arguments with solid points to argue if abortion constitutes as murder or not. It's truly a debatable topic that may never reach a general consensus. However, I do believe it is also a very personal decision that should be left up to the women who gets the abortion. For that reason, I support women's rights to have them. You're not going to see me dispute it much, but those are my views and I'm sticking to them.

It’s real a woman’s choice. Doctors are just there to assess the risks and provide care. If you care so much about life go feed the hungry.

we're looking for bacteria growing on the moon and that's life but an unborn child is disposable. sounds crazy

It's possible to be an Atheist and want abortion to be illegal, but it's pretty rare because Atheists generally follow the science.

I don't care what people call it. Sometimes life can be sad, some circumstances are unfortunate. Those who cannot accept that can shout at the wind but it will still continue to blow regardless.

Personally I'm against abortion unless it is for medical reasons, but I'm pro choice. I don't think the government should have the right to tell women what they can and can't do.

If a woman has the right to physically abort a child I helped bring into this world, then I should have the right to financially abort any child I do not wish to claim. My wallet my choice.

My problem with it is that .most want the taxpayers to pay for it

Makes Moloch happy

It's like potato chips I mean you can't eat just one.

You don’t understand how pro choice works.

It's wrong and there are so many better alternatives. There can never be enough support for pregnant women. Both mothers and the unborn life they carry are precious.

You have to admit, it's best if the woman has the exclusive right to choose.
That woman in Texas wasn't wrong. But he had a gun...

WRONG! BABIES RULE !! A TRILLION BABIES BY 2050 !! WE CAN DO IT !! THINK BABY !!

Well whoopee-dam-doo for you.

Please go away.

So here's what I think. I think it's the woman's choice. I might not always agree with her choice. If she's getting an abortion because she was careless, forgot her pill, or told the guy to skip the condom, that's irresponsible. But trying to regulate it leads to all kinds of complications, medical and otherwise.

To me, the mother's life is more important than that of the fetus. She can always have another kid, but if she dies of cancer because her doctor couldn't give her chemotherapy because it would risk injuring the fetus, that's an even bigger tragedy. And that's happening in the world today. There was a woman in another country, whose name escapes me at the moment, who died because of that exact circumstance. And yes, the fetus died, too. But worse yet, because she died, she couldn't have another baby later on down the road. Her entire line died because of a barbaric law on the books.

And they tried to do that in Ohio last year, too. There were several cases of women being denied essential medical care, including chemotherapy, because their doctors were afraid of being prosecuted if the fetuses died. A federal judge had to step in and tell Ohio to cut the bullshit.

Enter in on an argument where someone has written a saga, and USED CAPITALS to emphasise thier opinion ?
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Where are all the prochoicers wagging their fingers at all the [i]men[/i] here for lecturing the OP?

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