Abortion is right or wrong

Abortion: Is either right or it's wrong. It is either.life.or.it's death. If you say that.you are " pro choice " and one of the choices is abortion then you are pro abortion.

I have no rules to.respond. If I only.wanted those who agree with my stance to respond, I would talk to my.pro life friends and I would never learn anything.new. think it is important to understand why people believe what they do. Life experiences that helped shape their beliefs. I personally think it's petty playground bullying to use " religious zealot " or " indoctrination " terms as an attack but if thats your flag, then fly it.

I.believe in God, heaven and hell, good and evil but I don't consider myself religious. I haven't been to church in 7 yrs. I went to a catholic grade and high school. I was NEVER taught who was or wasn't going to hell. I was actually taught the opposite. It is okay to say that someone might be or is in heaven, but NEVER say that someone might be or is in hell. Unless you.are with them when they draw their last breath and know their heart and soul you have no right to pass judgement. If you do then you have just made your reservation. This being said, I am NOT judging the one who has had or believes in abortion. I AM judging the violent act of deliberately and intentionally stopping a human life in any stage of development. Everyone has a RIGHT and a RESPONSIBILITY to support policies that support their moral and ethical beliefs.

I do wish that pro abortion would just say that they believe that a woman has a right to abortion for any reason at any stage instead of " it's not a human being " or " it's not a person " or any other excuse

I have three beautiful good friends who have had abortions. All before I met them. Before this I never knew anyone or their stories. I DO have compassion for the reasons they chose abortion. Two regret their decisions and theirs.seemed more tragic than the one who has no regret. I will ALWAYS love these women.

As long as there is help for EVERY unwanted and unplanned pregnancy and there is, t I will ALWAYS support making and keeping abortions illegal.

I have some questions. #1 Are only those who believe in God and are pro life " religious zealots " and" indoctrinated " ? What about those who are pro abortion and believe i God ? What about pro life Atheist ? They aren't " religious zealots ", are they indoctrinated ? What about those who believe in God and heaven and hell but don't believe in organized religions ? It seems to me that " religious zealot " and " indoctrination " are being used to fit ones narrative. Believing that one day that we will all answer for what we have done or didn't do is NOT preaching fire and brimstone.. Most pro abortion who believe in God believe this. They believe the answers will be seen differently

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Doomflower · 41-45, M

I'm unapologetically pro choice. I could write you a short novel on my many reasons. I'll try to be brief.

Even if we grant that a fetus is a whole person with all the rights of someone who has been born, I am still 100% ok with abortion. For any reason and at any stage until the fetus is viable on its own without need for additional life support.

The person carrying the fetus has rights too and can withdraw or never give consent to be pregnant. No one has the right to occupy another person's body without their consent. Including fetuses.

If the kid was already born, would the parents be forced to donate their tissues and organs to make sure they survive? No? Why then, force a pregnant person to do the same? Why is it different if they're born?

Also, the child does not get the opportunity to consent to being born. So many people wish they were not and for all we know, that fetus is going to turn into a person who has that same wish.

All people suffer. All people die. No one is exempt. Why create another person to suffer and die when you could adopt and alleviate suffering that exists in the world?

There are millions of kids in foster care. It makes no sense to make more people when we can't take care of the ones we have!!!

Forcing or even encouraging people to have children they don't want and/or cannot afford is a recipe for disaster for the adults and the children. Kids don't go to foster care if their parents are doing well and they're a happy family.

There is no way to ban abortion. All you can do is ban safe abortions and prosecute people who have miscarriages.

Most people seeking abortion are already parents.

Fetuses aren't legally people.

And if you do believe in heaven/hell, abortion makes certain they do not have a chance to sin and earn an eternity of suffering. Of course that depends on your flavor of Christianity.

fanuc2013 · 51-55, F

@Doomflower But you fail to mention father's rights! Don't they have a right to accept a child to love and nurture? And as far as fetuses not being legally people, in some states. If a person causes the death of an unborn child, that person is charged with murder! How can that be if a fetus is not a person? Remember the Scott Peterson case? He killed his pregnant wife, and was convicted of TWO counts of murder! How is that possible if the unborn child is not a person? You need to reevaluate!

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@fanuc2013

But you fail to mention father's rights! Don't they have a right to accept a child to love and nurture?

I could laugh myself sick. "Oh no what about MEN! MEN have rights!!!! Waaahhhh!!!! Dominating all of human history and politics isn't enough! It's not enough power!!! We want the right to have babies!!!"

Adoption is an option as the so called pro life side says. If a fetus doesn't have the right to someone else's body why would I even consider the "rights" of the man? People made similar arguments against outlawing spousal rape. Men's rights can suck a dick.

As far as the double murder charge for Peterson, note that Laci was 8 months pregnant. The fetus was viable and if you read my original response, you'll see that is my cut off point where abortion is no longer OK because at that point aborting and giving birth are going to be about the same. I will also point out that late term abortion is almost without exception (as in I know of no exceptions) due to the fetus being incompatible with life.

Pregnant people are in more danger of being murdered while pregnant in the USA than they are of the main causes of medical complications during pregnancy. If murdering a pregnant person is a double murder, you'll have to explain why it isn't prosecuted more frequently.

Think before you type FFS

fanuc2013 · 51-55, F

@Doomflower I have to disagree, many pro-abortionists want the right to terminate a child's life up to the moment of birth!

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@fanuc2013 the only people I have ever heard say that the pro choice side wants to be able to terminate up until the moment of birth are those arguing against abortion.

As I said in my other comment, late term abortion is almost without exception due to the fetus being incompatible with life outside the uterus.

missyann · 56-60

@Doomflower I truly feel sorry for you.

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@missyann so you have no response? No argument to why any of what I said in my thoughtful comment is wrong, just, ""I truly feel sorry for you"? Pathetic.

missyann · 56-60

@Doomflower What conditions do you consider incompatible to survive outside the womb?

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@missyann these should answer your question.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10426234/

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

missyann · 56-60

@Doomflower even babies with life limiting deformities and handicaps deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. There is. Palliative natal care that alleviates pain and comforts the babies through the dying process.. even when the mothers and families don’t want to see these babies, the nurses comfort these babies

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@missyann so that's a "no" to reading eh?

Please support what you say occasionally. I went looking for support of your position and it led me down a very sad rabbit hole and while the comfort of the baby is of course important, the focus is on the family and coping with losing a wanted pregnancy.

missyann · 56-60

@Doomflower What have I said that I don't support ?

Doomflower · 41-45, M

@missyann

Palliative natal care that alleviates pain and comforts the babies through the dying process.. even when the mothers and families don’t want to see these babies, the nurses comfort these babies

Not only did you fail to support your claim, when I went to look for support of it what I found was quite different from your characterization.

missyann · 56-60

@Doomflower There is nothing to support. Hospice is available to every person who needs it. Where did you see that there is a hospital that doesn't care for babies born with life limiting conditions ?

The sites you gave me talked about abortions late term that spoke about the conditions deformity, and handicaps that I still say that they deserve life no matter how little time.they have.