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Abortion is right or wrong

Abortion: Is either right or it's wrong. It is either.life.or.it's death. If you say that.you are " pro choice " and one of the choices is abortion then you are pro abortion.

I have no rules to.respond. If I only.wanted those who agree with my stance to respond, I would talk to my.pro life friends and I would never learn anything.new. think it is important to understand why people believe what they do. Life experiences that helped shape their beliefs. I personally think it's petty playground bullying to use " religious zealot " or " indoctrination " terms as an attack but if thats your flag, then fly it.

I.believe in God, heaven and hell, good and evil but I don't consider myself religious. I haven't been to church in 7 yrs. I went to a catholic grade and high school. I was NEVER taught who was or wasn't going to hell. I was actually taught the opposite. It is okay to say that someone might be or is in heaven, but NEVER say that someone might be or is in hell. Unless you.are with them when they draw their last breath and know their heart and soul you have no right to pass judgement. If you do then you have just made your reservation. This being said, I am NOT judging the one who has had or believes in abortion. I AM judging the violent act of deliberately and intentionally stopping a human life in any stage of development. Everyone has a RIGHT and a RESPONSIBILITY to support policies that support their moral and ethical beliefs.

I do wish that pro abortion would just say that they believe that a woman has a right to abortion for any reason at any stage instead of " it's not a human being " or " it's not a person " or any other excuse

I have three beautiful good friends who have had abortions. All before I met them. Before this I never knew anyone or their stories. I DO have compassion for the reasons they chose abortion. Two regret their decisions and theirs.seemed more tragic than the one who has no regret. I will ALWAYS love these women.

As long as there is help for EVERY unwanted and unplanned pregnancy and there is, t I will ALWAYS support making and keeping abortions illegal.

I have some questions. #1 Are only those who believe in God and are pro life " religious zealots " and" indoctrinated " ? What about those who are pro abortion and believe i God ? What about pro life Atheist ? They aren't " religious zealots ", are they indoctrinated ? What about those who believe in God and heaven and hell but don't believe in organized religions ? It seems to me that " religious zealot " and " indoctrination " are being used to fit ones narrative. Believing that one day that we will all answer for what we have done or didn't do is NOT preaching fire and brimstone.. Most pro abortion who believe in God believe this. They believe the answers will be seen differently

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SW-User

Unless you believe that murdering another human is justified, it's wrong. While they are growing inside your womb, a fetus is otherwise separate to you...their body and all the organs inside it, all of their physical features, and ultimately their life, is theirs and not yours.

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BizSuitStacy · M

@SW-User 👏👏👏

RocktheHouse · M

@SW-User Amen

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User ideally yes but it can’t live without the mother until several months. It can also die and if not removed kill the mother.

SW-User

@Kypro a fetus needing the mother's body for several months doesn't give her the right to kill it, not when we again consider that it is a separate person. Abortion tells us that the fetus is just a commodity to be dispensed with when the mother feels like it, all because it requires some temporary growth in her body...this is wrong and inconsistent with how we otherwise view babies and young children.

btw, all humans are dependant on each other in some way.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User it’s not just dependent it can’t exist without the mother.

CrystalSkull · F

@SW-User It's important to note that discussions around when life begins and the morality of abortion involve diverse viewpoints and deeply held beliefs. People's perspectives are shaped by a range of factors, including personal, religious, cultural, and philosophical beliefs.

SW-User

@Kypro you clearly didn't read my response.

SW-User

@CrystalSkull is this supposed to mean something? Why do you think your comment is relevant?

CrystalSkull · F

@SW-User Yes because you see the moment of conception as immediate personhood and then proclaim boom it’s wrong. Not considering the above statement, so it’s relevant.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User it’s very relevant. Scientifically some cells that are a future baby are not alive or able to live outside the mother. Therefore the mother should be able to get medical care for issues caused or related to the cells.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@Kypro it’s like me telling you you can’t treat cancer cells in your body. Who gives anyone that right?

SW-User

@CrystalSkull I don't consider such arguments relevant at all. To debate personhood is to question the capacity for morality in individual beings, and that is not necessary in determining whether abortion is wrong or not. A fetus, made by humans, is simply a human that is the offspring of the humans who produced it. It is a separate body and the next generation of the two people involved in its creation. Because it does have its own body and is a separate human, it is wrong to terminate its life if we are to maintain that it is wrong to terminate the lives and bodies of other people. It has a separate physical body, is only meant to gestate for several months, and is on an established and natural path should it be born. I don't want to know what you think about personhood because it's frivolous and stupid. People always use that argument to manipulate those on the side of "pro-life" but I know that we needn't look at personhood in any depth when we, as humans, uphold that it is wrong to harm the bodies of other humans. If you dispute this in the context of abortion, then you are to say that the fetus isn't human (it is), that it doesn't have its own body (it does), and that its natural path isn't to live and be born (it is).

SW-User

@Kypro you're absolutely clueless.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User actually it’s not a person unless it can exist outside the mothers body it’s part of the mother. Call me names since you have n argument

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User I consider myself pro life too. Anti guns, pro human rights. The mother’s life is more important to me if I had to choose though.

SW-User

@Kypro it's only genetically part of the mother. If a fetus was inherently part of the woman, it would always remain inside us and there would be no birth. We get pregnant, the baby grows inside us, and then the baby is born. The baby is the next generation and more significant than we are. If I had to choose between myself and my children, even prior to their birth, it would always be them.

This attitude you have highlights a greater problem among parents, and that is a failure to prioritize their children, before and after birth.

BizSuitStacy · M

@SW-User You bring up great points and I appreciate your perspective. A baby's viability outside the womb is misleading. I've never seen this as a criteria when human rights are applied. The baby isn't truly viable yet. It cannot feed itself, clean or care for itself. The baby still requires mother, father, others, etc. for years for his/her survival.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User my kids always come first. But if they threatened the mothers life she would

SW-User

@Kypro only in very rare cases does pregnancy endanger a woman's life. When it does, the term limit for abortion is often no longer applicable and the baby is in fact wanted. You are thinking of cases where the baby is considered to be an inconvenience to the woman, and that is a problem with her, not the pregnancy.

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User it’s more common than you think. The us has had many cases of women dying due to no abortion allowed. We have 320 mil. People

SW-User

@Kypro many cases? That's a lie.

There may be *some* cases, but there aren't many. As I said, when women die because of pregnancy complications it is usually well beyond the term limit for abortion, and they want their child.

missyann · 56-60

@Kypro Please give me an actual case when.a woman lost her life because she couldn't get an abortion

Kypro · 51-55, M

@SW-User https://www.americanprogress.org/article/abortion-bans-will-result-in-more-women-dying/#:~:text=Researchers%20have%20found%20that%20if,would%20rise%20by%2039%20percent.

Kypro · 51-55, M

Tell me how I’m wrong but don’t say I’m a liar.

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