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Would you support lockdowns for the unvaccinated ?

Austria is days away from ordering millions of unvaccinated people to stay at home, its chancellor has said, in a rare move that underscores the increasing exasperation of European leaders towards those who have not yet been inoculated against Covid-19.

Under Austria's plan, which was agreed in September, unvaccinated Austrians will face a stay-at-home order once 30% of intensive-care beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients. The current rate is 21%, according to the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety (AGES), and a surge in infections has pushed it up quickly.

Unvaccinated people are already excluded from entertainment venues, restaurants, hairdressers and other parts of public life in Austria. If the new measures come into place, the unvaccinated will be ordered to stay home except for a few limited reasons; the rules will be policed by officers carrying out spot checks on those who are out.

Around 65% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19, one of the lower rates in the European Union.
''It is clear that this winter will be uncomfortable for the unvaccinated," Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg warned on Thursday.
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Its a virus. One of many that we have to live with.....it also has a 99.9% recovery rate. I'm not going to upend my life over a virus, I'm going to keep living as I always have.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@SW-User If you don't care why did you comment in the first place on a post about a topic that doesn't interest you?
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@Elessar I am telling him that I don't care about what he is saying. He established a rule that he wouldn't talk to or debate unvaccinated people. Just helping him stay true to his word by not engaging with him.
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Pretty sad when the superior vaccinated are feeling so unsafe they need to house arrest others. Sounds like that vaccine is working right well!
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@SomeMichGuy Not all unvaccinated will get covid
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@ElwoodBlues That was really stupid since you don't even know if I use that crap site, which I don't. Why insult and say things that you have no clue about?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@SW-User Well Wormwood's entire world view is formed by the NYT and NPR. Enough said.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Sounds like a good idea - if you don't want to play by society's rules, you can stay on its outskirts.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Shaveit 2% means that one person every 50 drops dead. I don't know you but I know easily more than 50 people who have got jabbed and none of them is dead (or just doing any differently than their usual).
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Shaveit [quote] It is a fact[/quote]
But actually no.
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StrictSouthernHOH · 46-50, M
If the vaccine works, why should the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated? If it doesn't work then nobody should be coerced into getting vaccinated.
@MaryJo1996 It would be funnier if it weren't so terrifying.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@LordShadowfire Right? People actually think some of this stuff...i'm surprised they remember to breathe.
@latinbutterfly Except they’re not losing their freedom.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
That’s tyranny and punishment in attempt to get a certain outcome

That is horrific that’s some stuff people overthrow and riot over

Quarantine is movement restriction of sick people…… this is tyranny. unvaccinated is not equivalent to sick

Not to mention if you’re vaccinated you can still contract Covid🙎‍♀️🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦


This right here should just show you that this has nothing to do with the virus lol this is about power
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy and you’re ignoring the elephant in the room 🤔
TheOrionbeltseeker · 36-40, M
@DeluxedEdition i totally agree with the deluxed people
@DeluxedEdition What pachyderm would that be?
redredred · M
This is a serious question. If the vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated by getting the unvaccinated vaccinated with the vaccine that doesn’t protect the already vaccinated why push the vaccine on anyone?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@redredred 🥱 more edgy teen nonsense.
redredred · M
@QuixoticSoul more emojis from the illiterate, as childish as your opinion.

Since you didn’t get it the first time, I’ll repeat. We’re done. I will waste no more time with a fool.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@redredred More teen libertarian grandstanding 🥱
helenS · 36-40, F
Austria is close to another complete lockdown. It's understandable that people who are vaccinated do not want to pay the price for those idiots who aren't.

"You're an anti-vax freedom fighter? Nice, go ahead, but fight at home please. I'll go into the theatre instead."
CestManan · 46-50, F
Even if everyone were vaccinated, the powers that shouldn't be would find some other excuse to revoke freedoms.

Does the school bully back off just because the nerds handed over their lunch money?
CestManan · 46-50, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What then IS reality?
Is it when people like yourself just go along with whatever they are told?
@CestManan No, it is when people believe in basic facts, centuries of medical science, and common sense.


Delusional is being afraid of everything from the news to your own doctor because some random on youtube or reddit told you they were out to get you.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Like I have said, even if everyone got their shots and did God knows what, the powers that should not be would just find some other way to suppress liberties. Some nations have it really bad.

One lady on here from Ireland was talking about how despite a high vax rate, it is still spreading and of course the feds want ANOTHER lockdown.

You should realize this too, I mean after all, you know more than anyone on this forum, you know everything!
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I've read through this, seen what each person has to say and what it is doing to us all as people...
I am now done with this whole mess and will be checking myself closely to not reply to topics like this anymore.
People have lost compassion and care...kindness.
What I see here is a lot of people picking at each other, some just really nasty and others not far behind... and I don't like how it makes me feel and I don't like becoming more like some I don't agree with.
You all do what you are hell bent on doing and the rest of us will do what we see as necessary too.
I am dumping this post and hiding it away...out of sight and out of mind.
@Oster1 Tyranny? You're obviously a fucking loser dipshit.
@checkoutanytime Regardless, we're under a global disaster, we're past all that shit now.
Oster1 · M
@NativePortlander1970 My bad. I misread you. It happens and spare me, the articulate compliments! 😊
Spokeskitties75 · 46-50, M
Sudden cardiac death is the largest cause of natural death in the United States, causing about 325,000 adult deaths in the United States each year.

So let’s have a mandate to keep people from McDonald’s as well!
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@perceptivei Yes, if they are still smoking, they are failing a simple IQ test AND costing us dearly.
perceptivei · 36-40, F
@SomeMichGuy I wish it was that easy to quit. I smoke.
helenS · 36-40, F
Responses in this thread are becoming increasingly aggressive and insulting, unfortunately.
Very sad that so many cannot discuss a topic in a polite and courteous way. 😕
@anythingoes477 Well, some are afraid of becoming sick and dying from this virus, or seeing it happen to loved ones. Other are more afraid of what [b]they[/b] perceive as the loss of personal freedoms.

@helenS Rational or not, some people are afraid of those things, making it real to them. So the animosity is fear-based.
helenS · 36-40, F
@bijouxbroussard Bijoux: fear alone does [u]never[/u] justify anything. Anti-semitism may be based on fear, for example. That does not justify any anti-semitic actions.
Our actions should never be based on individual tastes, and in this context "fear" is just a part of people's tastes. I fear this and you fear that.
@helenS Preaching to the choir. Fear of black people doesn’t justify the killing of unarmed people by police and civilians alike, anymore than it did the decades of lynchings. But it’s often prompted such actions, and still does, unfortunately.
Miklee02 · 51-55, F
Make it make sense…. Vaccinated are getting it and spreading it too…. I’m so over it 🙄
Miklee02 · 51-55, F
@Slade where? And I don’t want to pay for it 😬
Slade · 56-60, M
@Miklee02 Any walk In clinic. May be a co pay from ins. Costs nothing here (NY)
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Miklee02 Us too.
I support people minding their own damned business and work on fixing their own screwed up lives for once.
perceptivei · 36-40, F
@PrivateHell I'm for people relying on experts and actual data, not rumors and wishful thinking of armchair quarterbacks.
@SomeMichGuy good for you.
Ravens80 · 46-50, F
Nope, if the vaccines were proven to stop covid it might be somewhat arguable but forcing people to do something that at best may help only slightly is not okay.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Ravens80 At this point, everyone should be well aware that vaccinated people can transmit covid, so that person is a moron for not isolating. But at least in the Austrian scenario, they'd only expose other vaccinated folks, who are less likely to get it, less likely to develop symptoms, less likely to transmit it, less likely to end up in the hospital, etc, etc.
@Ravens80 Vaccines are about reducing life threatening symptoms in a person if they get it. It also has the added benefit of reducing the likelihood of infection or transmission. Nobody is claiming it is 100% effective. It is medicine, not magic. And no, one ignorant person doesn't make it irrelevant or change how vaccines work.
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kodiac · 22-25, M
This is the situation if you don't get vaxed you might get covid and spread it .You might fight it off and survive or might not.If you get the vax you might get covid and spread it ,you might fight it off and you might not.What is the benefit of getting it? Edit to add you might die from the vax also
Elessar · 26-30, M
@kodiac The difference in the probability of the two scenarios.
TexChik · F
All libs should move to Austria, all the unvaxed Austrians can move to Florida! Problem solved
HotMessExpress102 · 41-45, F
@TexChik Your comment was hidden 🤦🏼‍♀️

This is the part that infuriates me.
HotMessExpress102 · 41-45, F
@SW-User You might want to check those numbers....
TexChik · F
@SW-User bullshit . Libs have been courting china and covid for years . Libs are the problem
No I don’t support this inhuman expression regime, whoever does needs a bullet in their skulls.
@RodionRomanovitch yeah true, I guess my anger got the better of my moral compass.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@RodionRomanovitch not everyone here is a bottom cuck like you that bends over for government abuse of power...🤷‍♂️
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 Congratulations , that was your last contribution to this thread.
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@SW-User Exactly. Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequences from your choices.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@SW-User I think it might be referred to as 'gentle coercion'. And guess what ? It works !
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@RodionRomanovitch If you do everything you are told you get freedom. Sounds like a hostage situation.
No. That as far as I’m concerned is an overreach of a government whether it’s Austria, the United States or anywhere else.
@QuixoticSoul Get pinched? They “pinch” people where you are? And what exactly is “pinching”. Sounds like something outbid a 40s gangster movie.
They have a list or lists of who is supposed to be staying at home for covid?
If an individual has covid they’ll decide whether or not to stay home. Not a police or federal function.
@SomeMichGuy You’ll get over it. Don’t let those of us unvaccinated cause you concern and angst. If you’re vaccinated fully you know you can still get infected, not that I wish that on you. Just saying.
How many have had it and got over it and we’re not vaccinated? Do they have antibodies? Will they spread it?
Don’t let this get you worked up. Have a good night.
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OggggO · 36-40, M
Yes. I also like the idea of taking away the driver's licenses of people who refuse to quit driving under the influence, for pretty much the same reason.
Really · 80-89, M
@HotMessExpress102 [quote]are you doing heavy breathing on people? Do you wash your hands? Are you coughing on people?[/quote]

I'm being as cautious as practical in all the ways I know.

Having grown up in a country under military attack I have no problem with the idea that we're all in this together and need to act accordingly; or with the fact that however much you love freedom, sometimes your government will force you into physically defending it.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@HotMessExpress102 If you don't stop torturing that logic, I'm calling the police.
HotMessExpress102 · 41-45, F
@Really This is correct...
Round up the unvaccinated and put them in camps where the vaccinated can come and point out the naughty people to their kids.....

And you think that will never happen?
I’m double jabbed but will defend the rights of those who choose not to be vaccinated.
This is a slippery slope to the end of freedom.
@SomeMichGuy Here I can’t get into sporting events,concerts,theatres,cinemas without
presenting my Covid pass.Likely to be extended to pubs,cafes and even shops.
I have no doubt that in a few months I will have to get another one proving I am triple jabbed.And then quadruple,quintuple...
While I am pro-vaccination on this I will fully support those who choose not to be vaccinated and do not wish them to be denied their freedom.
And I still worry about future side effects from a vaccine that was rushed onto the market that we don’t know about yet.
I only got vaccinated because I feared being banned from things if I didn’t.Turns out I was right to do so.
And as we keep accepting things without question that slippery slope will keep getting steeper.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@TheSirfurryanimalWales It's almost like there's a fucking [i]pandemic[/i] going on.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@TheSirfurryanimalWales Democrats hate the analogy, but it's still the closest one...

wildbill83 · 36-40, M
No, But I'd support a revolution and shooting anyone that condones forced vaccination/restriction of unvaccinated... 🤔
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@wildbill83 'shooting anyone that condones forced vaccination/restriction of unvaccinated'

Threatening to kill the people charged with protecting public health is as moronic as it gets. Congratulations , you've plunged this thread into a new low.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@RodionRomanovitch [quote]But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.[/quote]
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@RodionRomanovitch congrats, you're a commie bastard
MedfordJay · 22-25, M
Being a ideological liberal myself, I say get vaccinated and you won't have any problems. It's so easy to do the right thing.
If the vaccine doesn't defend you from getting the virus or spreading it then I do not see the point in enforcing it. Yes it may make the symptoms less severe in which case if you don't get the vaccination and you get Covid that is your fault.

I don't think people should be isolated for choosing not to whether they believe it is a fraud or not. It's not like it is people's faults for being suspicious considering the amount of claims that have been made against the vaccine whether they are true or not.

The vaccine doesn't prevent the virus it just lessens its effects therefore I don't think people should be segregated for not getting the injections. It kills as far as I have heard less than two percent of the people who catch it which makes it incredibly suspicious that a vaccine that never passed animal trials has been distributed and pressured on people so quickly.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@TheWhippersnapper The fact it doesn't do with a 100% efficacy doesn't mean that it "doesn't protect you".

People still occasionally die in car crashes even with a seatbelt, yet we don't abolish seatbelts, because in any case they prevent a lot more deaths than these "breakthrough" ones.

For the vaccine, it's the same principle.
@Elessar Yeah well you aren't banned from being a part of society for not wearing one.. you are responsible for whether you wear a seatbelt or not if you get injured.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@TheWhippersnapper You get stopped and fined. Similarly with the Austrian lockdown, it's not that they place two police officers in front of your door, if you get caught outside you're stopped and fined.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
This is going to be the way to have a functional economy. If countries fail to do this until they have achieved a really high immunity curve then the economics and the health care imperatives will make the decision for them. Hospitals will overflow, tourism and entertainment businesses will close and other businesses will fail and shed jobs. All because a few people want to be stupid about microchips and 5G signals. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And the many wont take that for too long before they push back. And some arrangement can be made for essential movement of those unvaccinated for genuine reasons. This is a numbers game..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Slade I refuse to indulge you further on this.😷
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Ditto. I erased his offensive comments and will block him if he comes back with more of the same.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@RodionRomanovitch I am suitably grateful. I welcome alternate opinions, if someone has a reasoned point or a question that needs clarification. But abuse is unnecessary unless you have nothing else to run with.😷
BlueVeins · 22-25
I like the idea of vax or test like the CDC implemented in the US. I'm happy with having lockdowns for unvaccinated folks only, but there should be some kind of medical exemption.
Show evidence the vaccinated aren't spreading this, and/or immune in a way similar to natural immune are. Both have an expiration date, the vaccine expires in weeks, natural immune expire with age & overall health.
@QuixoticSoul that's my point, normal people don't care about how corrupt once esteemed Harvard/Yale once was, they've proven to be socialist communes with nothing Left to offer, aside from over thunk village idiots.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@checkoutanytime You have given up the topic in favor of whining about climate change and the ivy league.
@QuixoticSoul no its one in the same. This cold is not lethal to normal people
helenS · 36-40, F
Alternatively, unvaccinated people with covid could be denied access to ICU treatment.
@perceptivei Unvaccinated ppl.
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perceptivei · 36-40, F
@Slade lol
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
So the defense is the vaccinated can spread covid but it won’t be as bad. But what if they spread it to someone with underlying health conditions that prevent them from being vaccinated and they die?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@MrBrownstone Don't be deliberately obtuse , for the third and final time ; The source was the Chancellor of Austria.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@RodionRomanovitch Only you can be obtuse?
@MrBrownstone That's not the defense.
RE:

[quote]Well. Aren’t you the prolific Scientist! Yes, I bow in your presence, oh wise one. Thank you for your amazing conclusions. If I only could have a brain and mentality as yours, I could have had a starring role, in “The Wizard Of Oz.” Nice try, wise guy![/quote]

@Oster1,

1) I said Dr. Fauci is a great scientist in precisely this area--which he is--not that I am.

However, it's obvious that several people here who argue from "common sense" do so because they have no idea about the numbers, etc., involved in this, and simply cannot understand graphs, etc.

My own background is strong in STEM, so I don't habe problems seeing & understanding these things.

But since you are so good at mocking,

[i][c=BF0000]What is your background?[/c][/i]

[i][c=BF0000]What are your qualifications,[/c][/i] other than mocking?

2) Thanks for the unnecessary worship. I am certainly not worthy of that.

3) I never said I have an amazing brain, but your inability to understand the facts presented, with references, in so many posts here does not bode well for your own ability to comprehend & consider the very simple basis of the CoViD problem.

4) If you truly wish to act, believe in yourself, rather than wishing you were someone else. Develop your strengths, shore up your weaknesses, and go for your dreams.
Shaveit · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy saying that Fauci is a great scientist just goes to show that your background is in stupidity and ignorance
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@SomeMichGuy They are trolling you mate. Their comments are not worth even responding to.
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I don't support lock downs period.
@SW-User That's clear.

Also unlikely to be your choice.
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
I have a solution..
All unvax folks.. stay away from vaxxers. Because they could be a carrier. We need to play it safe.
All vaxxers stay away from unvax folks. Because they could be a carrier. You need to play it safe.
Neighbors against neighbors... red or blue, white or black, blah blah blah😡
WTH don't you see how they are dividing us up with brainwashing news!
I am more afraid of the hate that is spreading than Covid19.
@RodionRomanovitch TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! We have "left it up the individual" now for a year......and now the CDC reports over 730,000 deaths in the U.S. How's relying on common sense working out???
@anythingoes477 I heard the government was planning to classify common sense as a superpower.
@ShadowWorker [quote]WTH don't you see how they are dividing us up with brainwashing news![/quote]
Blame the Republicans. They are the ones who literally refuse to listen to common sense and tell people that the vaccines are far safer than the disease. They refuse because they don't want to be seen as standing against Donald Trump.

[quote]I am more afraid of the hate that is spreading than Covid19.[/quote]
I dare say you probably haven't met anyone who has gotten it.

Hatred comes from anger, which comes from fear. There are those of us who fear the disease, and those people who fear the preventative. The people who fear the preventative have been misinformed.

It's literally that simple.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Only a few months ago the master race vaccinated said the unvaccinated would be dead. How much longer you gonna wait?
CestManan · 46-50, F
@SomeMichGuy [quote]If you think things are problematic now, THAT would completely ravage the planet in a very much worse fashion.[/quote]

Karen please, they have been saying that since the day the virus was released.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@SomeMichGuy How do you test for delta variant?
@MrBrownstone [quote]Only a few months ago the master race vaccinated said the unvaccinated would be dead. How much longer you gonna wait?[/quote]
I've never said that. Not sure who's saying that. There are much worse things than dying of the virus, but you don't give a fuck either way, so I'm not going to bother explaining it to you again. Someone with much more patience than myself will have to do that.
graphite · 61-69, M
Leftists in places like Australia and now Austria are using the virus to implement their totalitarian nightmares. Frightening
@graphite That’s ridiculous. This virus doesn’t care what one’s political beliefs are. Presumably the point is getting through this pandemic and everyone is still vulnerable. 😳
BlueVeins · 22-25
@graphite y'all need to learn what totalitarianism is before you start slingin' that word around
@BlueVeins "totalitarianism" = "anything done by people I don't like or which I don't personally support (even if I support ACTUAL totalitarianism imposed by someone[s] whom I essentially worship)"

Same as the definition of "commie/Communist/pinko/Socialist" and, often, "Lefty". lol
For obvious reasons that wouldn’t work here. There are too many people who want to see a virus as a personal freedom issue rather than looking for a means to stop a global pandemic from decimating our citizens. We’re just not ever going to be on the same page about this. 😞
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard ok that is the smartest thing I've heard in a long time.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard And it will be decisions like that that will guarantee maximum damage to the nation, both its people and its economy. Its terrible to watch a once great society tear itself apart.😷
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@bijouxbroussard Of all Trump's crimes , ignoring , belittling and then politicising the most serious public health emergency of our time has to rank right up there with his attempted coup d'état.
Makes sense and should help keep things from getting worse. You are free to choose not to be vaccinated but are not exempt from the consequences for your decisions.
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
Some can always find justification to segregate those who don't share the same opinions. If you can lockdown those who refuse a vaccination for any reason (previous infection, health reasons, religious beliefs, distrust of the government, distrust of the technology used for the vaccine) what other things can be mandated? If we no longer have rights to what risks we are willing to take (for a disease with a 99 or better percent chance of survival) or risk punishment for defying orders that take away our choice, what rights do we have?

Triage is part of medicine and means when resources are limited, you help those with the best chance of survival. Not by isolating by risk factors.
@sunrisehawk No, because it is a direct result of those choices. You have freedom of choice not freedom from the consequences of your choices.



Again, the math doesn't work. Get over that myth. And FYI, there is no such thing as a human being without any underlying conditions so that is a meaningless distinction.



And there is a reason why quarantines are still used and bleeding stopped in the 1600s. You seem to be conveniently ignoring that fact.

750k dead. Have you been asleep? What is your definition of high death rate? 100% fatalities? How many people have to die before it meets your arbitrary line?

And your claims about the criteria for quarantines is just factually wrong.
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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@sunrisehawk 99% survivability is millions of dead Americans, and the reason you haven’t seen another disease taken this seriously in your lifetime is because this is the single worst public health crisis you have ever lived through - you’re just in denial about it.

[quote]live in cowering fear[/quote]
Or just get vaccinated and go on with your life.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
So in 3/4 of a century Austria has forgotten what happened last time it had 'isolation camps' for the undesirable?
Slade · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 They love them their 'dolph H!
TheConstantGardener · 56-60, M
What about the people with genuine exemptions? I don't think that it would be fair to make them isolate indefinitely.
@SW-User
[quote]Them... I see.[/quote]

Just quoting back your original wording:

[quote]I value mine, but [u]I'd never lock anyone up to feel safe from [c=BF0000]them[/c][/u] when I or they are not sick.[/quote]

You really do go on.

But I'm interested in your Fauci response.
Really · 80-89, M
@SW-User [quote]I'll have to block you [/quote]By all means do. I'm returning the favor.
TheConstantGardener · 56-60, M
@OggggO Thank you for your observation on my comment. I understand that entirely but that has nothing to do with the point I made in response to the question that was asked.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
This could only work in a totalitarian state
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@GJOFJ3 🤣

Travel more. Austria is a lovely country with a healthy democracy.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@GJOFJ3 Austria is a parliamentary democratic republic.
RE:

[quote]Not all unvaccinated will get covid[/quote]

@MrBrownstone True, with caveats (below).

As has been said MANY times, the RATE at which unvaccinated people get it is greater (the chance of it), as well as the chance of it being a worse case (hospitalization), and even the worst case (dying).

Caveats:
The longer this goes and the stronger the variants get, the more likely it is that BOTH unvaccinated & fully-vaccinated will get infected more frequently. This is what happened when the Delta variant became dominant and started sickening & killing children & young adults who had previously been ok.

Also, with asymptomatic CoViD, one could get it and never know, of course.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@SomeMichGuy Whatever variant comes after the post-delta one, they are predicting it will be so bad that it will bring people back from the dead just so it can kill them off again.
Shaveit · 61-69, M
@MrBrownstone The unvaccinated will more likely be asymptomatic and spread it more readily than those that are unvaccinated. Vaccines and antibiotics when administered to those that are not sick or at high risk can actually cause variants to emerge.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Shaveit [quote] The unvaccinated will more likely be asymptomatic[/quote]
Yes

[quote] spread it more readily than those that are unvaccinated[/quote]
No

[quote] Vaccines when administered to those that are not sick or at high risk can actually cause variants to emerge.[/quote]
Lol no. Totally backwards.
SW-User
The hospitals would clear faster if they would stop treating unvaccinated patients.

Low hospital utilization + fewer unvaccinated. Seems like a win-win.
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@QuixoticSoul It's a compromise.

You can choose lockdown or you can choose a lower level of care if infected. I'm not the one forcing them to have a lower level of care. It's their choice.
Muldoon · 56-60, M
@SW-User Unfortunately, your solution of not treating the unvaccinated is against their Hippocratic Oath upon graduating from med school.
SW-User
@Muldoon I'm not saying they stay untreated. They just don't need the same level of care. Kinda like there are birthing suites for mothers at some places and other places women are just in a room.
HotMessExpress102 · 41-45, F
Segregation at it’s finest... keep all those vaccinated people together and they’re still gonna get and pass covid.
HotMessExpress102 · 41-45, F
@QuixoticSoul The whole deal is so exhausting... so much hate and fear is being spread, but the bottom line is that covid is here and here to stay. Vaccinated or unvaccinated... nobody is safe. 😞
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@HotMessExpress102 The vaccinated are dramatically safer, that’s kind of the point.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@HotMessExpress102 government subsidized fear mongering is deadlier than any virus...
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
No, I don't. I would much rather they were required to do daily PCR tests.
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm assuming the PCR tests are made available in a matter of hours (as they are here in Portugal).

And once again the same issue of infection and contact tracing exists with lockdowns as they only reduce infection rates they do not eliminate infections.

As for your fun fact, you are referring to people who;
-still smoke
-still drink
-are still overweight
@EuphoricTurtle So you don't think smokers who refuse cessation therapies should be put at the back of the line for lung transplants?

And that heavy drinkers who refuse help to quit drinking should be put at the back of the line for liver transplants?

We all end up paying for these. Should we invest in someone who is just going to abuse a new organ over someone *not* doing that? In these narrowly-defined instances, shouldn't we put money preferentially where it is likely to be spent on someone who treats this amazing gift with respect?
EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M
@SomeMichGuy
I beleive it should be a factor to take into consideration but not that it should automatically put them in the back of the line.

Same goes for those who require methadone who have relapsed before.

It's clear from your comments that your main concern is healthcare costs, and granted the best way to keep that down is to deny people care in the first place.

My main concern is public health.
plungesponge · 41-45, M
I would rather support mandatory gatherings of the unvaccinated.
@plungesponge An interesting idea!

We are already doing that in the US. We refer to it as "Texas" and "Florida"... 😉😆
plungesponge · 41-45, M
@SomeMichGuy yep. Life has become parody really, nothing left to do but sit back and let time sort it out
@plungesponge I'm afraid you are right. It's odd that Republican governors are so ready to reduce the numbers 9f their supporters & voters.
Adaydreambeliever · 56-60, F
Interesting, thank you for sharing, it's good to know what's happening in other countries
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I think it is entirely reasonable.
Sounds fair to me, but it might be unrealistic. Some have had bad reactions to the vaccines, such as blood clotting, so they might not be able to get the vaccine. I myself am vaccinated, so it wouldn't effect me personally. Those who are unable to be vaccinated, such as children under 5, might also be scrutinized.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Do you support lockdowns for voters without an id?
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Seems a little heavy handed to me.

 
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