Would you support lockdowns for the unvaccinated ?

@SW-User It's working pretty well, since the majority of those in the ICUs are unvaccinated. 30% on top of other sorts of issues that land people in the ICU is a dangerous marker, everyone should feel unsafe.

@QuixoticSoul I feel unsafe with people trying to force something that evidently isn't working or they'd not feel that need to overrun choices.
As for your percentages, what about those still dying after getting covid vaccines?
I'd rather rot at home than let those vaccinated tell me how well it's working but still get and pass the crap.

@SW-User I feel like you haven't given the mathematics behind these things much thought. The vaccinated aren't straining national health systems anywhere in the developed world.

@QuixoticSoul Funny how all the bigger cities around here never once had a straining of the health systems due to covid...
I don't scare easily with news stories and all...and evidently you don't either with all the deaths after vaccines.
You have a different point of view based on your own ideals and experiences. That doesn't make you better or smarter... just a different opinion.
I feel like you all need to stop trying to overstep your boundaries.

@SW-User If your local health systems aren't strained, then there is no real problem - but lots of medical systems around the world are strained, and it's the unvaccinated that are clogging up the ICUs. Austria is one of those countries, and their 30% trigger makes perfect sense - that typically translates into an ICU that is almost completely full, a dire emergency.

Deaths from vaccines and deaths from covid are simply incomparable. That is why I said that you haven't given the mathematics behind these things much thought.

@SW-User Of course no vaccine is perfect; these mRNA ones work pretty well:

@ElwoodBlues Again? Thought we did this already on another post?
Since it is now happening that world health organization is taking down information that was available a week ago, seems to me like things are not quite what they wish us to believe...

What is vaccination?
Vaccination is a simple, safe, and effective way of protecting you against harmful diseases, before you come into contact with them. It uses your body’s natural defenses to build resistance to specific infections and makes your immune system stronger.

Vaccines train your immune system to create antibodies, just as it does when it’s exposed to a disease. However, because vaccines contain only killed or weakened forms of germs like viruses or bacteria, they do not cause the disease or put you at risk of its complications.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination

How does a vaccine work?
Vaccines reduce risks of getting a disease by working with your body’s natural defenses to build protection. When you get a vaccine, your immune system responds. It:

Recognizes the invading germ, such as the virus or bacteria.

Produces antibodies. Antibodies are proteins produced naturally by the immune system to fight disease.

Remembers the disease and how to fight it. If you are then exposed to the germ in the future, your immune system can quickly destroy it before you become unwell.

The vaccine is therefore a safe and clever way to produce an immune response in the body, without causing illness.

Our immune systems are designed to remember. Once exposed to one or more doses of a vaccine, we typically remain protected against a disease for years, decades or even a lifetime. This is what makes vaccines so effective. Rather than treating a disease after it occurs, vaccines prevent us in the first instance from getting sick.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination

And do not pick it apart and only go with parts of sentences as you chose to do last time.

@SW-User This is exactly what these vaccines do.

@QuixoticSoul Really?

@SW-User Yes. Immunity often fades, especially with some illnesses - not every vaccine or infection connotes lifetime protection ala polio or smallpox. Vaccination still helps, because you're not tackling the situation with a wholly naive immune system that needs to figure things out from scratch, rather than ramp up production of antibodies it already knows how to make. Or you can keep up antibody counts up with boosters, also a good idea.

@QuixoticSoul Okay, jailor. Lock 'em all up and you will stick get sick. Have fun with lording it over those who don't do what you impose on them.
Not coming back to this cuz life is just too short to waste on something some people believe they are superior about.
Your vaccine isn't working like it should. That's why you all are so afraid.

@SW-User No, you are simply wrong.

And vaccines don't work forever on all diseases, or we'd never have yearly flu vaccines, or tetanus boosters, etc. You KNOW that. You quoted a good article.

How is it that you don't know that the mRNA vaccines are nearly TWICE as effective as what Dr. Fauci had hoped they would be, based upon his projection presumably from standard vaccines. 95% against the original strain is STRATOSPHERIC result!

These vaccines use some mRNA to teach your immune system to recognize a very important bit of the CoViD virus; so well-chosen that it remains good against many strains.

The Delta strain gave us breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and even deaths, but at a MUCH lower rate for fully vaccinated v. unvaccinated ppl.

How did we get Delta? It was said to have a viral load 1,000 times the original strain. Would you like to see a new strain with 1,000,000 times the viral load of the original strain?

@SomeMichGuy Let me start by saying "Fauci is an ass." Oh and...Let me finish with that too!

@SW-User oh gosh don't finish there, theres a whole list😁

@SW-User When this shit first hit we got out under shelter in place orders, cases and hospitalizations stayed low, and I did not get sick. Locking down the unvaccinated works 🤷‍♂️

@ElwoodBlues if the vaccine is so good why are you worried about anyone else getting it?
Surely you got it😯

@QuixoticSoul I'll just say... my opinion of Fauci is now looking like a good one for people like you and others. :) Isn't that nice?
You are no safer than anyone else yet you are scared of the unvaccinated not complying to your shit. Why don't YOU stay at home and hide?

@SW-User its like this

@Virgo79 Protecting others who made their own choice and should now deal with the consequences too. That's a two way street.
That is so true... everybody has a choice until it's something they don't agree with.

@SW-User Fauci is a mendacious fascist gnome

@SW-User Thanks for that informative collection of quotes. Here's a key paragraph, where I've underlined some key phrases:

Notice how it says "one or more doses"? The definition allows for boosters. For example, the the early childhood DTaP vaccine, combined with Tdap amounts to a 5 dose regimen. This is required (uncontroversially) for kids in public school by all 50 states. The mRNA Covid vaccine, as you well know, is two doses + booster. Nothing out of line about that.

Now, may I call your attention to the second underlined phrase: "typically ... for years, ..." In other words, the definition allows for the fact that some vaccines' protection fades over time. In fact, that fading is the reason for the multiple doses of vaccines like DTap/Tdap.

In short, the behavior of the mRNA vaccines is nothing new and fits fully within the description you provided.

@ElwoodBlues Notice how it states

@SW-User Are you aware of the definition of the word “typically”? Also, even after protection from coronavirus infection fades, substantial protection against severe disease remains.

I am unlikely to put a serious strain on my local health system, which is why I’m allowed into bars and concerts. No reason for me to hide.

@SW-User Yep. Please don't take my comments out of context. It sometimes requires multiple doses to provide that protection, like 5 doses in the case of DTap/Tdap.