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Would you support lockdowns for the unvaccinated ?

Austria is days away from ordering millions of unvaccinated people to stay at home, its chancellor has said, in a rare move that underscores the increasing exasperation of European leaders towards those who have not yet been inoculated against Covid-19.

Under Austria's plan, which was agreed in September, unvaccinated Austrians will face a stay-at-home order once 30% of intensive-care beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients. The current rate is 21%, according to the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety (AGES), and a surge in infections has pushed it up quickly.

Unvaccinated people are already excluded from entertainment venues, restaurants, hairdressers and other parts of public life in Austria. If the new measures come into place, the unvaccinated will be ordered to stay home except for a few limited reasons; the rules will be policed by officers carrying out spot checks on those who are out.

Around 65% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19, one of the lower rates in the European Union.
''It is clear that this winter will be uncomfortable for the unvaccinated," Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg warned on Thursday.

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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

Sounds like a good idea - if you don't want to play by society's rules, you can stay on its outskirts.

SomeMichGuy · M

@QuixoticSoul Agreed.

Elessar · 26-30, M

@QuixoticSoul Even because the alternative would be locking *everyone* at home indiscriminately

perceptivei · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul Society's rules??? What is wrong with people??? Omg. I'm so glad I don't read the news.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@perceptivei Every society has rules, including health guidelines. These things make civilization possible.

perceptivei · 36-40, F

@QuixoticSoul The vaccine was just released though. Who really knows if it's safe?

Also, I believe in the right to make your own decisions regarding vaccines. Plus, i still believe this whole pandemic "thing" is about money. Why should I have to take a vaccine that doesn't work just so people can get richer? It's pointless.

Whatever though... thank God I don't live in Austria.

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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@emptysoul44 No, I think that a relatively free market with regulation to prevent abuse is the only way to manage an economy without crippling inefficiencies.

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Elessar · 26-30, M

@perceptivei The vaccine was released almost one year ago. After another half a year of tests. And currently it's been given to literally billions without any statistically significant complication whatsoever.

If your concern is about "long term effects that might not yet be visible now", well, the disease may have those too. There are viruses that loon asymptomatic only to trigger cancer 10-15 years later, this virus is too recent to know if it's capable of anything similar or not.

And I disagree with the choice as well, the rights of the community come before the rights of the individual, public health (read: preventing hospitals from collapsing, causing a disservice to everyone, solely because of a 20% stubborn slice of the population) is no exception.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@perceptivei Let me tell you, hospitals and big pharma collect a [i]whole [/i]lot more money from folks who are in the ICUs than they do from your $14 vaccination.

Vaccines are dramatically safer than covid side effects, and at this point we have more than enough evidence to state this unequivocally.

Anyway, Austrians are free to make their decisions - a possible lockdown in just another factor in said decisions. Just like not being able to attend public school is a factor for parents regarding their kids' vaccinations for measles, etc. Or immigration to another country.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@perceptivei [quote]Who really knows if it's safe? [/quote]
The hundreds of millions of people who have taken it without ill effect.

SomeMichGuy · M

@emptysoul44 Please do me the honor of blocking me, as well.

Shaveit · 61-69, M

@ninalanyon but what about the 2% that died or had adverse effects?

Elessar · 26-30, M

@Shaveit No vaccine has a 2.0% chance of severe complications, let alone death. Quit your BS.

At worst there's a 0.001% (one every 100,000 people) risk of clotting with AstraZeneca, and that's also accounting for non fatal cases.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Shaveit 2% that died or had adverse effects? You’re off your rocker.

MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F

@Shaveit 2%? Hahaha maybe lay off the weed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Elessar · 26-30, M

@Shaveit 2% means that one person every 50 drops dead. I don't know you but I know easily more than 50 people who have got jabbed and none of them is dead (or just doing any differently than their usual).

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@Shaveit [quote] It is a fact[/quote]
But actually no.

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