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Would you support lockdowns for the unvaccinated ?

Austria is days away from ordering millions of unvaccinated people to stay at home, its chancellor has said, in a rare move that underscores the increasing exasperation of European leaders towards those who have not yet been inoculated against Covid-19.

Under Austria's plan, which was agreed in September, unvaccinated Austrians will face a stay-at-home order once 30% of intensive-care beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients. The current rate is 21%, according to the Austrian Agency for Health and Food Safety (AGES), and a surge in infections has pushed it up quickly.

Unvaccinated people are already excluded from entertainment venues, restaurants, hairdressers and other parts of public life in Austria. If the new measures come into place, the unvaccinated will be ordered to stay home except for a few limited reasons; the rules will be policed by officers carrying out spot checks on those who are out.

Around 65% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19, one of the lower rates in the European Union.
''It is clear that this winter will be uncomfortable for the unvaccinated," Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg warned on Thursday.

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redredred · M

This is a serious question. If the vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated by getting the unvaccinated vaccinated with the vaccine that doesn’t protect the already vaccinated why push the vaccine on anyone?

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MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@redredred Because the vaccine protects the vaccinated. See now?

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred 🤦‍♂️ No surprise you are parroting an ignorant anti vaxx meme indicating you failed high school bio like the rest of the idiots committing mass suicide to "own the libs."

redredred · M

@MarkPaul if it protects people why do they need others to be vaccinated? I’ve been vaccinated against shingles and have been around people with shingles or chicken pox and have not gotten sick. I don’t need people around me to get MMR or polio or pneumonia vaccines to protect me. Why COVID?

redredred · M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow So, you can’t answer the question either, or you are choosing not to. Which?

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred 🤦‍♂️ Google herd immunity or even "vaccines for dummies." You clearly have no idea how they work.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred This isn’t about protecting the vaccinated from the unvaccinated - it’s about protecting the medical system from the unvaccinated, and protecting the unvaccinated from their own stupid.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred It is a ridiculous premise that only makes sense if you don't even have a high school level understanding of science. So it is a completely bullshit premise that just shows your ignorance and nothing else.

redredred · M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Herd immunity is a result of a pandemic becoming endemic, something that can’t be faked with an ineffective vaccine-like substance. If the vaccine doesn’t protect the vaccinated individual then it won’t protect the general population. A thousand leaky boats will sink as fast as one leaky boat.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@redredred OMG... are you really equating all diseases to be the same? So, you must believe if you can get over a cold with some rest and hot beverages, you should be able to get over COVID. If you can grow back a bitten off or broken finger nail, you should be able to grow back a broken tooth. Thank you Doctor, for clearing that up.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

@redredred That is painfully stupid, and totally incorrect.

Anyway, the Austrian policy isn’t about herd immunity, it’s about relieving the strain the unvaccinated put on the medical system.

redredred · M

@MarkPaul COVID has a better than 99% survival rate. For people with a BMI under 25 it’s rarely fatal. You can dream up all sorts of straw man arguments I didn’t make and pleasingly faulty analogies that I didn’t draw but you still haven’t told me why an ineffective vaccine becomes better the more times it is used.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred As usual your statement is factually incorrect. Then again this is the same person who thinks Atlas Shrugged is an economics textbook. 🤣

redredred · M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow still no answer

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred And more anti vaxx bullshit. I see you clowns have dropped the number from 99.9% to 99% from the percentage and moved the goalposts because someone finally noticed the math doesn't work.

MarkPaul · 26-30, M

@redredred Because of the very nature of COVID-19. Other than some quirky mind game that is designed to manipulate YOU into thinking you are "owning the libs" you haven't explained with any scientific methodology why you expect the shingles vaccine to act like the COVID vaccine.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred Present a serious argument that is not equivalent to flat earth and you might get an answer. Otherwise there is no point.

redredred · M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I asked a question. Now, I understand that, to a fascist mindset, questioning a government mandate is the same as positing an absurdity and the prospect of locking down a non-ovine cohort of the population makes you hard and wet but do you think you could find it somewhere in those spacious gaps in your head to simply answer my question? If it doesn’t protect an individual how will it protect a population?

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@redredred Again, ask a serious question and you will get an answer.

Lol. The fascists are on the right fool. Yet another thing you got wrong. Your tally is not looking good here.

Sorry but I don't indulge the nonsense of anti vaxxers and flat earthers.

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canusernamebemyusername · M

@redredred How tf do you people keep escaping from my block list?!

redredred · M

@canusernamebemyusername You’re not very good at simple tasks?

Oster1 · M

@redredred 👍

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@redredred

This is a stupid question.

I fixed your spelling.

redredred · M

@LordShadowfire no you didn’t, you lamely avoided answering the question by using a thirty year-old trope indicating a complete lack of thought or imagination. Typical

LordShadowfire · 46-50, M

@redredred Okay, then, superspreader. Let me put it another way, and do let me know if I'm using too big of words for your tiny little brain.

When a virus encounters someone who is immunized, it can't get a foothold in order to reproduce. But when it infects someone who isn't immunized, it starts breeding. And when it does that, there's every chance in the world that it will mutate into a new form. So by refusing to get vaccinated against the current form, you run the risk of hosting the next variant, which could easily be vaccine resistant.

That's why we need between 70 and 80% of the population vaccinated in order to be safe. This is a thing people have known for decades, but I guess nobody ever told you.

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